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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  franco on Tue May 30, 2017 10:05 pm

    New cutting edge technology Russian fighter to enter service this year... who know dunno

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:39 pm

    Russia will modernize its Su-35S fighter jets with due account for their performance in the ongoing operation in Syria, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said. Aviation expert Viktor Pryadka told Sputnik what remains to be done to make the Su-35S “perfect for export.”

    “We might even hold up its state trials until we are sure that all the defects have been fixed,” Borisov said during a visit to the Gagarin Aviation Plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

    He said that during the early stages of their use in Syria, the planes used to suck in small pebbles and small debris from the runway during takeoff, and also had problems with the searchlight and computer screens, all of which have since been addressed and rectified.


    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201706111054527873-russia-plane-upgrade/
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:05 am

    Sputnik is usually garbage.

    I don't think there are anymore defects but they are clearly hinting at major upgrades to it that they may be looking at to upgrade existing and future order Su-35. Makes sense since real world tests showed possibilities of improvement. But then again the Su-35 is supposed to be a air superiority jet and not intended to be a Su-30. So they may be trying too hard to be like US and have a everything jet. Which isn't good.

    We will see.
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Isos on Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:11 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Sputnik is usually garbage.

    I don't think there are anymore defects but they are clearly hinting at major upgrades to it that they may be looking at to upgrade existing and future order Su-35. Makes sense since real world tests showed possibilities of improvement. But then again the Su-35 is supposed to be a air superiority jet and not intended to be a Su-30. So they may be trying too hard to be like US and have a everything jet. Which isn't good.

    We will see.

    Its de facto a multirole jet since it can carries every missiles that russia produce and targeting pods. With the powers of modern computers any upgrade of old bird would make them multirole. Every new fighter will have air to ground capabilities. The only point where it is not well suited for multi role is that it's a single seat. For dangerous missions it's better to have a pilot looking for air threats and a second guy doing the job.

    I don't think they found improvement possibilities but errors that occures when the jet are used more often than in training. Unless they use Pak Fa technologes for a big upgrade, I don't think they will upgrade them. Moreover if the Pak Fa isn't too expensive they will stiop buying Su-35, same with Mig-35 if the new Mig 5 gen fighter is cheap enough to buy it instead of the 35.

    The issue of the engines is not a real issue. Engine need air to go in them, if the airfield runway isn't clean it will suck dust and other objects, it's the same with every aircraft.
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:49 am

    Old computer chips were so slow you pretty much made dedicated electronics for a specific role.

    A good example is a calculator... very slow electronics but for what it does it is generally as fast as you would need.

    The problem is that it is only good for what it was designed for and upgrades are neither possible or necessary.

    With more modern computer components you occasionally upgrade parts but most of the new capabilities is adding new sensors at the end... ie plug and play addons like new printers and scanners or USB sticks etc for a computer... new guidance pods or jammer pods, or tactical recon pods etc etc for aircraft.

    Generally you don't add new hardware now, you just add new drivers for the new hardware and adapt existing software to allow effective use of new hardware.

    Multirole capability is just a software update away for a modern fighter.
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Isos on Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:56 pm

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/how-the-war-syria-will-make-russias-su-35-even-more-lethal-21019

    Another ting to "modernize" is the lack of targeting pod on su-35. Does it really can't carry them ? What Russia has to offer as modern targeting pods ? WWhat about Su-30 and 34 ?
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:03 pm

    Seriously, for the love of god you idiots, stop using national interest. Fuck.

    Anyway, Su-34 has a built in optical system. Su-30 can use its IRST for ground strikes and same with Su-35. Next to its radar as well. There have been various targeting pods from Russia to show, the newest one is the one used for PAK FA.

    Now stop using national interest. It is a US publication used for bullshitting horrendously. You guys using it flood this already degraded forums with such nonsense.
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Isos on Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:14 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Seriously, for the love of god you idiots, stop using national interest.  Fuck.

    Anyway, Su-34 has a built in optical system.  Su-30 can use its IRST for ground strikes and same with Su-35.  Next to its radar as well.  There have been various targeting pods from Russia to show, the newest one is the one used for PAK FA.

    Now stop using national interest.  It is a US publication used for bullshitting horrendously.  You guys using it flood this already degraded forums with such nonsense.

    It's quoting a guy named Kashin it's not just Dave's opinion Laughing
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:34 pm

    It doesn't matter. it is all the same funding if you catch my drift. In other words, US propaganda if you are not aware.

    As I said, Platan has a thermal/TV imaging component. This has been proven for long time now.
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  medo on Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:17 pm





    Interesting photos of Su-35 with twin launchers for R-77-1 on pylons between engines and with new targeting pod under the right engine. It also have mock up Kh-35U anti-ship missile under the wing.
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:52 pm

    Shocked Shocked Shocked

    Su-35 display at MAKS-2017

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Isos on Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:25 pm

    medo wrote:

    Interesting photos of Su-35 with twin launchers for R-77-1 on pylons between engines and with new targeting pod under the right engine. It also have mock up Kh-35U anti-ship missile under the wing.

    That's exactly what I suggested for Mig-35. Maybe they are following our ideas in sukhoi Shocked Shocked I want my money for my idea bounce

    Su-35 display at MAKS-2017

    Still a fake for me. There are hundreds of people and amateurs who film at Maks the presentation, can you found a video of this but where you see the public and not just the plane. Specially for the part at 2:01 where it goes from 0km/h to a high speed while climbing ? If it's true then they don't need runway for take-off.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  zeus2 on Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:15 am

    Su-35 display at MAKS-2017

    Still a fake for me. There are hundreds of people and amateurs who film at Maks the presentation, can you found a video of this but where you see the public and not just the plane. Specially for the part at 2:01 where it goes from 0km/h to a high speed while climbing ? If it's true then they don't need runway for take-off.

    A longer video of the one posted above with the ground and houses visible at the beginning. Apparently it was a rehearsal flight.  There are other videos with other planes (pakfa included) taken from the same place, also doing rehearsals i'm guessing.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Benya on Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:58 am

    Some info about this new targeting pod


    Suspended container of target designation T220 on the Su-35S fighter

    At the ground-based exposition at the Zhukovsky International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2017, the Su-35S Combat Fighter (registration number "24 red", registration number RF-95816) was demonstrated at the ground-level exposition, which was equipped with a rich set of pendant missile guided weapons, Container of target designation T220 (before that the given board with the onboard number "24 red" "lit up" in flights on the eve of the air show, with suspension of model controlled missiles X-35U and X-38M class "air-surface"). Container T220, developed by JSC "Scientific and Production Corporation" Precision Instrument-Making Systems "(JSC NPK SPP, Moscow), is demonstrated for the first time on a Su-35S fighter.


    The Su-35S fighter (registration number "24 red", registration number RF-95816, serial number 02620) of the Russian VCS equipped with a targeting target container T220 developed by JSC "Scientific Production Corporation" Precision Instrumentation Systems "(right) in the MAKS- 2017. Zhukovsky, July 2017 (with) VKontakte


    Also on this Su-35S fighter with the number "24 red" (who took part in the fighting in Syria) the MAX-2017 for the first time publicly demonstrated the ventilated two-beam launcher of the RVV-SD medium-range air-to-air missiles.


    The Su-35S fighter (registration number "24 red", registration number RF-95816, serial number 02620 ) of the Russian VCS equipped with a targeting target container T220 developed by JSC "Scientific Production Corporation" Precision Instrumentation Systems "(right) in the MAKS- 2017. A ventral double-girder launcher for guided RVV-SD medium-range air-to-air missiles is clearly visible. Zhukovsky, July 2017 (with) VKontakte


    Source: Arrow https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A//bmpd.livejournal.com/2743524.html
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:08 am

    The targeting pods electronics are the same ones used on the MiG-35 electronic optical systems we have all seen flown.
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  medo on Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:21 pm

    I think they will all use the same targeting pod. I hope they will be soon delivered to operational units and that Su-30SM in Syria will be the first to receive them together with new ECM pods. Su-35 in Syria should be next to receive targeting pods.
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:28 pm

    Still a fake for me. There are hundreds of people and amateurs who film at Maks the presentation, can you found a video of this but where you see the public and not just the plane. Specially for the part at 2:01 where it goes from 0km/h to a high speed while climbing ? If it's true then they don't need runway for take-off.

    Have you seen some of the MiG-29OVT videos...

    This is an Su-35 with no external weapons, so no drag, and likely with enough fuel for the flight so 20% fuel or less in its fuel tanks... its thrust to weight ratio will be 1.5 or better... of course it flys well.

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    the Sukhoi Jet Fighters in Any Pugachev's Cobra Maneuvers

    Post  iwanz on Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:54 am

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  OminousSpudd on Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:21 am

    The Pugachev's Cobra or any other high energy-bleed maneuvers demonstrated at airshows are not a direct implementation of an aircraft's capabilities in a combat situation, but rather a demonstration of the aircraft's potential in a combat situation. What maneuvers such as the Cobra (and that recent Su-35S performance at MAKS) demonstrate is the stability of the aircraft at low speeds, the ability to bring a target aircraft within its conical of "vision" so as to make full use of its high off-bore engagement capabilities at low speeds, through high (yet very stable) AoA maneuvers (and waste less energy of a R/K-74 leaving the rail in a potential low-high speed scenario, where the Flanker pilot has been caught with his pants down), the ability to counter an enemy launch by rapidly changing the direction of the aircraft (much less dramatic and more applicable in the high-speed spectrum, but still more capable thanks to the Su-35's TVC), and finally, if absolutely necessary and hardly likely to ever be used, the ability to bleed all the aircraft's energy almost instantaneously when flying at a relatively low-speed.

    So, while you'll likely never see a Pugachev Cobra in a knife-fight, what the Flanker-E can do is use its excellent handling to get the upper hand in both high and low speed spectrum engagements, particularly in a WVR engagement, but also when dodging AMRAAMs or other such BVR launches it is likely to face, given it hasn't already brushed them aside with its capable EW suite. Essentially, it is about making maximum use of the aircraft's energy bank, which is of the utmost importance in a fight. Even when both the Flanker and the aggressor aircraft have run out of energy, the Flanker is still going to have the upper hand.

    EDIT: Just realized you were not addressing the Su-35 specifically... the same essentially goes for the Su-30s, MiG-35, while the Su-57 will represent the pinnacle of this design doctrine.

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    Thank you

    Post  iwanz on Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:49 am

    Thank you very much for your information, as i did not know much about it. it is now enrich me something new about Pugachev's russia
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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:39 am

    iwanz wrote:Thank you very much for your information, as i did  not know much about it. it is now enrich me something new about Pugachev's russia

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:03 am

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12144463@egNews

    A pair of Su-35S fighters will join the squadron of the air regiment of the Western Military District (ZVO) stationed in Karelia. This was reported by Colonel Roman Kosteniuk, interim commander of the mixed airborne division of the ZVO.
    "At present, flight and technical personnel have arrived at the aviation plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur to check engines, basic systems and preparations for the flight," said Colonel Roman Kosteniuk. "The newest fighters will replenish the fleet of combat vehicles of the squadron at the Besovets airfield, and in the near future the pilots will start the first training flights."

    Then , by the year end , when the 4 Su-35S retrun of Syria , in Besovets there will be a complete squadron of 12 Su-35S and other of 12 Su-27SM and the regiment will be complete with new/modernized airplanes , for the next several years
    The other 8 Su-35S of the production of this year will go to other unit, probably to Kubinka


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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:07 am

    Batch(4?)of Sukhoi-35S multi-role aircraft to be transferred from Komsomolsk-on-Amur to Karelia

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4667312
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    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:38 am

    George1 wrote:Batch(4?)of Sukhoi-35S multi-role aircraft to be transferred from Komsomolsk-on-Amur to Karelia

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4667312

    Звено zveno means "small (military) unit" , but could be "2 pairs" , is a rare word for me


    In the next two monts, KnAAPO have to hand over 20 Su-35S , 10 for Russia and 10 for China
    In Besovets there are 6 Su-35S , but the 4 of Syria (nº50 to Nº53) in theory  are of 159 IAP , so only 2 are needed in Besovets , (as the previoust post sais , with the source of the MoD),   for complete the squadron of Su-35S of Besovets ,the other squadron are Su-27SM , arrived form East
    I think by the year end, Kubinka should receive 8 Su-35S (like the last year received 8 SU-30SM) , an the previous news said the 10 Su-35S of 2017 are for the "West"
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    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:46 pm

    Here are the Su-35 of this year
    There are 6 Su-35 for Besovets Nº 61 , 62 , 63 , 64 , 67 , 68  ,totaling 12 Su-35 in that base, because the other 4 are in Siria now
    The question is oif the other 4 expected in 2017 also will go for Besovets of for other place

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