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    Post  Guest on Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:47 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
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    Isos wrote:I was reading the article of the Su-35 on wikipedia and it is said that they are working with indians on a fith generation upgrade which will cost 85 milions.

    Is it a Su-35 "silent eagle" ?

    Is that true ?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-35    
    (at the end of the 'production and testing' part)

    Hold on, let me dial Mr. Pogosyan and ask him personally.

    Seriously, what kind of answer do you expect on a public forum?

    In English grammar this is called yes-no  question. Correct answer is yes or no Razz
    More seriously - Su-35S was to be improved Su-27 frame with new engines and avionics/sensors (same as for PAK FA) so what more 5gen can be added here? Shocked

    More composites, Izd-30 engines for real supercruising, RAM coatings, newer EW systems, AESA radar...
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    Post  Guest on Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:49 am

    Project Canada wrote:the Su-37 is essentially a Su-35 just with a different designation right? if not whats the difference? from what I've read what differentiates su-37 from other su-27 variants is its thrust vectoring capability, but dont su-35 have this as well? so they are the same aircraft?

    SU35 is basically highly modernised SU37 which saw the production, SU37 was only demonstrator.
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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:51 am

    Project Canada wrote:the Su-37 is essentially a Su-35 just with a different designation right? if not whats the difference? from what I've read what differentiates su-37 from other su-27 variants is its thrust vectoring capability, but dont su-35 have this as well? so they are the same aircraft?
    Remember that there are two completely different "Su-35" versions. The first (Su-27M) was developed in late Soviet times, was ready around the late 90's but never entered service nor was mass produced. One of the prototypes was called "Su-37", and had 2D thrust-vectoring. The technologies developed for it (including TVC) were used instead first in the Indian Su-30MKI, then in Algerian and Malaysian Su-30MKA/MKM, and lastly in Russian Su-30SM.
    Around 2006-2007, Sukhoi launched a completely new Su-35 (initially called "Su-35BM"), which is a much more modernized version, with newer and more powerful engines, avionics and deep changes to the airframe. This is the operational Su-35S.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:57 pm

    Russians and designations ...

    Pray for CIA's members who had to differenciate all russian designations for their stuff lol!
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:31 pm

    Isos wrote:Russians and designations ...

    Pray for CIA's members who had to differenciate all russian designations for their stuff lol!

    They just check or ask a question here. Perhaps Shocked
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    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:39 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Isos wrote:Russians and designations ...

    Pray for CIA's members who had to differenciate all russian designations for their stuff lol!

    They just check or ask a question here. Perhaps Shocked

    I don't think so. They are too much stupid to think about that. Actually, I think they are making a 2 billion dollar virus to know what we are wrinting on this forum ...
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    Post  franco on Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:33 pm

    Well, here is a bit of a curve. The next 4 Su-35's are going to Astrakhan instead of Millerovo. The 116th Training Unit acts as the enemy for the Aerospace Defense training center at Ashluk (S-300/400 SAM's plus radar units). Presently made up of 2 squadrons of Mig-29 (9-12's) of which only half look operational.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:20 am

    Militarov wrote: More composites, Izd-30 engines for real supercruising, RAM coatings, newer EW systems, AESA radar...

    I wonder if then Russia will upgrade existing Su-35 to "stealth" standard
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:33 pm

    War sells!

    The Su-34 and Su-35 models are the pride of the Russian Armed Forces, Russia’s Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said. Foreign states are "lining up" to purchase Su-34 and Su-35 jets, which demonstrated their outstanding capabilities during the Syrian military operation, Russia’s Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Monday.

    "Today, military forces are receiving such advanced models as the Su-34 and Su-35, with characteristics equal to those of Western models,” Borisov said.

    “This is the pride of our armed forces. […] these samples have already demonstrated their combat capabilities, also in the Syrian conflict. Potential buyers are already lining up," Borisov told the Russian TV Channel Russia-24.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151207/1031384963/customers-lining-up-buy-russia-aircraft.html#ixzz3tfIwm4Zj
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    Post  Guest on Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:47 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Militarov wrote: More composites, Izd-30 engines for real supercruising, RAM coatings, newer EW systems, AESA radar...

    I wonder if then Russia will upgrade existing Su-35 to "stealth" standard

    Depends, if project gets funding at all. In worst case they might get updated in decade or two with PAK FA subsystems without having any external modifications.
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    Post  par far on Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:47 pm

    I have seen Pictures and videos of the SU 35 and I don't know why smoke comes out the plane sometimes, why is that? Just like in the third picture.



    http://sputniknews.com/photo/20151208/1031402985/sukhoi-military-aircraft-photos.html
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    Post  Berkut on Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:11 pm

    That is not smoke out of the plane lol. That is just condensed water and vortexes.
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    Post  par far on Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:59 pm

    Berkut wrote:That is not smoke out of the plane lol. That is just condensed water and vortexes.


    Thank you Berkut, never could understand, what that was.
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    Post  Zivo on Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:57 pm

    At high angles of attack, the air pressure in the pocket on the topside of the wing/body drops, decreasing air temperature, causing condensation.
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    Post  Giulio on Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:26 pm

    Yes, afaik no smoke, but billions of water droplets. They make visible the air behavior around the aircraft.
    Lift => induced drag => turbulence, vortices (this is also the reason of the winglets). In the center of a vortex there is a backwash, slipstream, so a pressure drop, so a temperature drop, like when I suck  the air between tight lips: feeling cold.
    According to the characteristics of humidity and temperature of the air around the aircraft, at that point, you have the condensation in the vortices, as above written.
    This at low speeds, yes, high angles of attack. The induced drag is the only drag that decreases with speed. So this effect is only at low speed.


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    Post  mack8 on Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:38 pm

    Not sure if i got it entirely right, but this video talks about  the Su-35S at Dzemgi being officially put on combat duty (QRA) for first time, correct? One can only see R-73 and R-27ET missiles, but the AKU-170 launchers stares one in the face. Very Happy



    Amateur video of a (grey cammo) Su-35S firing an R-73:


    Also  an article and pictures of same event (QRA induction):
    http://www.vostokmedia.com/n268658.html
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    Post  franco on Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:22 am

    Yes, the Su-35S just received full Air Force certification last month.
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    Post  medo on Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:16 am

    Putting the first Su-35S regiment to combat duty means all issues with they are now over and that their crews are now fully trained on them. I hope this regiment will be one of the first units, which will receive R-77-1 and R-37 missiles.
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    Post  Berkut on Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:43 pm

    Well i hope MiG-31BM units will be getting R-37M first but yeah, Su-35S with R-77-1 and R-37M will be sweet as hell.
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    Post  mack8 on Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:04 pm

    What adaptor would be needed to fit R-37M on Su-35S, do we know what is called and are there images of it? Thanks.
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    Post  medo on Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:43 pm

    I think R-37M will use the same fixing points as R-33 does and MiG-31 have them under the body. Su-35S will have adopters for them and they could be similar to those for Kh-59 missiles.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:48 pm

    Some images taken by me at te Bourget airshow :


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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:32 am

    Isos wrote:Some images taken by me at te Bourget airshow :

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    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:53 pm

    we are in 2016 and still all Su-35s haven't been delivered
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    Post  franco on Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:35 am

    George1 wrote:we are in 2016 and still all Su-35s haven't been delivered

    Nor the 30SM's. In the case of the 35's suspect there were last minute adjustments in with getting the final aircraft certification and for both aircraft getting crews plus support systems in place for operations at Millerovo.

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