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    Post  mack8 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:49 pm

    Way to go mr. Fomin! Pictures of many of the new borts on take-off.ru ! Laughing 
    http://www.take-off.ru/news/124-news01-12-2013/848-pervye-su-35-s-vvs-rossii
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    Post  partizan on Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:27 pm

    So, with these 12 machines, what is a total number of su35s in RuAF? According to Ria news it is 33. If I understaqnd correctly, that means that in period between december last year and february 2014., the RuAF received 24 pieces of that fine machine...

    I must admit that whole story about su-35 is surrounded by mist as far as i am concerned. Same thing is with yassen but that is another story...

    Does this mean that the Su35 is now fully operational airplane and that all its shortcomings is now resolved?
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    Post  mack8 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:38 pm

    More photos:
    http://dementievskiy.livejournal.com/

    As for how many Su-35Ss have been delivered so far, it's 22: 12 now, and previously 2 and 8 in 2012 (2011 plan) and 2013 (2012 plan) respectively.
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:54 pm

    Yeah it is a media cock up, they reported it as if ANOTHER batch of 12 birds was delivered, aside from the dozen @ the end of last year.

    The deliveries have been 2 + 8 + 12 + 12 (this year) + 14 (2015) = 48, first batch done.
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:55 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't true that the Su-35 is the only jet fighter in the world that is mass produced with 3D-TVC engines.

    Yep.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:23 pm

    Russian air forces took delivery of 12 Su-35S fighters
    Russian Aviaton » Wednesday February 12, 2014 18:47 MSK

    12 latest “4++”-generation Su-35S fighters have joined the fleet of Russian air forces. The jets will be operated by the 23rd fighter regiment (Dzemgi airfield, Khabarovsk Region) of the third air force and air defense command, ITAR-TASS reports.

    The solemn handover ceremony was held at Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Y.A. Gagarin, which is manufacturing Su-35S fighters. Russian Minister of Defense, General of the Army Sergey Shoygu, arrived from Vladivostok in order to take part in the ceremony along with the president of United Aircraft Corporation, Mikhail Pogosyan.

    Shoygu noted that Su-35S outmatches its foreign analogues and serves as a platform for development of a fifth-generation aircraft.

    "This super-maneuverable jet outmatches its foreign analogues in terms of aircraft performance. It is capable of performing a wide variety of missions under adverse climatic conditions", - the minister said.

    He thanked the designers, engineers, workers, test pilots and all the people, who have taken part in development of this jet. "I think that you did a great job", - Shoygu said. According to him, the Ministry of Defense highly appreciates its long-standing partnership with Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Y.A. Gagarin. The minister expressed hope that this fruitful partnership will continue and wished the enterprise’s employees all the best for the years to come.

    After his speech Sergey Shoygu awarded test pilots, employees of the military representative office and the enterprise. The minister signed the book for distinguished visitors and had his photo taken in front of the jet together with the plant’s top-management. CEO of Sukhoi Company, Igor Ozar, presented a mockup of Su-35S to the minister.

    After that Sergey Shoygu watched the demonstration flight performed by two Su-35S fighters from the observation site of the enterprise. The jets were piloted by military pilots, who demonstrated different aerobatic maneuvers.

    During the visit Sergey Shoygu, Mikhail Pogosyan and Commander-in-Chief of the air forces, Lieutenant General Viktor Bondarev, inspected Su-35S, Su-30M2 and Su-27SM3 jets manufactured by the plant.

    http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2014/2/12/2173/
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:13 am

    BTW Werewolf, funnily enough, on the subject we were discussing:

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?128826-Su-27-s-family-is-the-most-maneuverable-aircraft-in-the-world

    Take a loook @ Andraxxus posts. He goes into this and more.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:50 pm

    TR1 wrote:BTW Werewolf, funnily enough, on the subject we were discussing:

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?128826-Su-27-s-family-is-the-most-maneuverable-aircraft-in-the-world

    Take a loook @ Andraxxus posts. He goes into this and more.

    Yeah I agree, it sounds like Andraxxus might be an aerospace engineer by profession with such in depth technical knowledge, another member "Herp McDerp" patently making false statements like "Su-30MKI has 3-D TVC engines" which in reality only has 2-D TVC on a V-axis, also another false claim is that implies that a Su-30MKI and the Su-35 wouldn't differ by any significant margin between each other in degrees per second turn rate, despite the fact the Su-30MKI has 2-D TVC and Su-35 has 3-D TVC.
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:32 pm

    TR1 wrote:BTW Werewolf, funnily enough, on the subject we were discussing:

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?128826-Su-27-s-family-is-the-most-maneuverable-aircraft-in-the-world

    Take a loook @ Andraxxus posts. He goes into this and more.

    He seems like the only one with a clue about the matter in that forum and some obvious trolls.

    But really interesting post, maybe i should throw myself into that materia more often sounds fun and interesting to look up some information specially based on physics of airframes and their advantages and disadvantages.

    Nice find btw.
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:02 pm

    Werewolf wrote:

    He seems like the only one with a clue about the matter in that forum and some obvious trolls.

    But really interesting post, maybe i should throw myself into that materia more often sounds fun and interesting to look up some information specially based on physics of airframes and their advantages and disadvantages.

    Nice find btw.

    Yeah...He made very nice point. Then i should dig more on my book "Fighter Combat : Tactis and Maneuvering" by L Shaw.


    I were happen to also work on a graph depicting "fighter dogfight potential" Classifying fighter based on their thrust to weight ratio and Wing loading.

    The graph was done but it was rather too simplistic and questionable.

    http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/320/f/e/fighter_dogfight_performance_by_stealthflanker-d3ei11u.png

    Hmm i'm still wondering whether i should use reference wing area OR the whole thing that generate lift for calculations.
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    Post  eridan on Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:38 pm

    can someone tell me where are RWR, MAW and LAWR sensors located on a su35? So far i can see only rear two RWR arrays. What about the rest?
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    Post  Sujoy on Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:01 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:Hmm i'm still wondering whether i should use reference wing area OR the whole thing that generate lift for calculations.

    I suspect not just thrust-to-weight ratio or wing loading, but also other variables like turning radius, instantaneous turn rate & climb rate should be taken into account . Only then can a realistic ‘agility quotient’ be derived.

    BTW - Impressive graph
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:37 am

    Sujoy wrote:

    I suspect not just thrust-to-weight ratio or wing loading, but also other variables like turning radius, instantaneous turn rate & climb rate should be taken into account . Only then can a realistic ‘agility quotient’ be derived.

    BTW - Impressive graph

    Thanks.  respekt 

    Hmm anyway thrust to weight ratio and wing loading also determines the turn rates and thus turning radius and climb rate. Typical measure i read so far about fighter agility is "Energy maneuvering" by John Boyd where fighter agility is determined by "Potential energy" Measured in "specific excess power"

    I'd about to do it along with other measure of merits calculation of fighter jets, one problem is the reference data. Plane data especially some obscure one like wing measurements (Say Chord length and tip length) or "wetted area" Are somewhat scarce.

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    Post  Sujoy on Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:10 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Hmm anyway thrust to weight ratio and wing loading also determines the turn rates and thus turning radius and climb rate. Typical measure i read so far about fighter agility is "Energy maneuvering" by John Boyd where fighter agility is determined by "Potential energy" Measured in "specific excess power"

    I'd about to do it along with other measure of merits calculation of fighter jets, one problem is the reference data. Plane data especially some obscure one like wing measurements (Say Chord length and tip length) or "wetted area" Are somewhat scarce

    At high altitude Low wing loading is crucial  unlike low altitude , to generate sufficient lift.

    At low altitude  it may not be entirely positive with low wing load, because it decelerate faster than its changing speed vector.

    On top of wing load & thrust, there is stability & momentum arm for initial pitch . The latter two are not dependent on altitude.

    The only negative effect of negative stability is increased drag at subsonic speed.

    Bottomline ,  there is an optimum compromise that dictate ideal wing load for a given altitude, with regards to agility while retaining speed, for any given thrust.

    As a reminder when you want to segregate what metrics of agility and maneuverability matters ,  step1 is to set other values =0, or make the same value for all other variables.


    These two links should help in case you don’t have them

    http://www.aviation.org.uk/docs/flig...-FTM108/c6.pdf
    http://ftp.rta.nato.int/public/PubFulltext/RTO/MP/RTO-MP-035/MP-035-01.pdf
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    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:51 am

    Mikhail Pogosyan: The Su-35S program will focus on expansion of the jet’s combat capabilities
    Russian Aviaton » Monday April 14, 2014 17:07 MSK

    The further development of Su-35S multi-role fighter program will be focused on expansion of the aircraft’s combat capabilities, ARMS-TASS reports with reference to the president of United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), Mikhail Pogosyan.

    "In 2013 a number of weapons (after completion of their development) have been integrated into the fighter. 14 air-launched weapons have been integrated into Su-35S so far", - Mikhail Pogosyan said.

    "We keep on expanding the fighter’s combat capabilities by means of integrating advanced weapons developed by Tactical Missiles Corporation into Su-35S", - he added.

    According to Mikhail Pogosyan, 12 serial Su-35S aircraft were handed over to 23rd fighter regiment of Russian air forces in February 2014.

    This year UAC must deliver 90 new combat aircraft to the air forces, including 24 Su-35s (12 of them have already been delivered to the customer).
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:25 am

    WoW  thumbsup 

    Su-35: a dominant frontline aviation

    - Simply the result looks like this: Automatic not only determines the position of the aircraft in space, receiving the information from the sensors, but also sets the trajectory. On this basis, construct including combat modes when in the presence of target plane itself determines the optimal entry and exit automatically act on the target. In this case the pilot is released from piloting tasks and can engage dopritselivaniem or interaction with information and control field.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:32 am

    Two-seat version of Su-35 will not be developed

    Two-seat version of Su-35 fighter will not be developed, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to Chief Designer, Igor Demin.

    "During development of Su-35 we have placed a bet on development of single-seat aircraft", - Demin said.

    President of United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), Mikhail Pogosyan, reported earlier that Su-35 fighter is complemented by two-seat Su-30SM jet, which may be used as an operational trainer.

    "Su-30SM is the two-seat aircraft derived from the export version of the jet. It complements Su-35, because it features a thrust-vectoring nozzle and new functional capabilities provided by the advanced avionics suite", - Pogosyan said. According to him, Su-30M2 jets are used as an operational trainer for Su-27SM pilots due to shortage of trainer aircraft.
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    Post  medo on Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:29 pm

    George1 wrote:Two-seat version of Su-35 will not be developed

    Two-seat version of Su-35 fighter will not be developed, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to Chief Designer, Igor Demin.

    "During development of Su-35 we have placed a bet on development of single-seat aircraft", - Demin said.

    President of United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), Mikhail Pogosyan, reported earlier that Su-35 fighter is complemented by two-seat Su-30SM jet, which may be used as an operational trainer.

    "Su-30SM is the two-seat aircraft derived from the export version of the jet. It complements Su-35, because it features a thrust-vectoring nozzle and new functional capabilities provided by the advanced avionics suite", - Pogosyan said. According to him, Su-30M2 jets are used as an operational trainer for Su-27SM pilots due to shortage of trainer aircraft.

    RuAF will definitively have to order more Su-30SM as they also form independent Su-30SM regiments. At least 60 more for two additional regiments and the rest for Su-35 regiments as trainers (4 per regiment).
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    Post  TR1 on Mon May 26, 2014 10:36 pm

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    Su-35 with unguided rockets. Enough of this nonsense!
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue May 27, 2014 12:46 am

    TR1 wrote:Su-35 with unguided rockets. Enough of this nonsense!

    You know many of these "unguided rockets" have their guided variants, including air-to-air ones.
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    Post  Regular on Tue May 27, 2014 12:48 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Su-35 with unguided rockets. Enough of this nonsense!

    You know many of these "unguided rockets" have their guided variants, including air-to-air ones.
    Guided rockets shot from pods?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue May 27, 2014 1:40 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Su-35 with unguided rockets. Enough of this nonsense!

    You know many of these "unguided rockets" have their guided variants, including air-to-air ones.
    Guided rockets shot from pods?

    Yes, although I was not referring to the picture TR1 was commenting about.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 28, 2014 3:35 am

    The Ugroza guidance package for Soviet and Russian unguided rockets includes rockets for 57mm, 80mm, 122mm, 240mm, and 266mm rockets AFAIK and is intended to be used from standard rocket pods.

    The guidance seems to be related to the optical guidance used on the Sokol-1 125mm tank gun fired round and can use passive laser beam homing or be used against contrasting targets or moving targets.
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    Post  mack8 on Wed May 28, 2014 8:57 pm

    Four Su-35S (borts 01-04) arrived at Lipetsk:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHRmrZ9DV-A
    http://www.arms-expo.ru/photo/aviatsiya/vesti-s-poley/
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