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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:50 pm

    That is a good find... I have read about twin R-77 attachments for the centre line of the Flanker but have never even seen a drawing let alone a model.

    The attachment required to carry an R-77 on a pylon includes a ram arm that throws the missile downwards on launch and after a fraction of a second delay the motor lights up and the missile flies towards its target.

    This twin launcher would need two ram arms with one for each missile to ensure when the weapons are fired they clear the engines and aircraft body before starting their engines.

    The R-77 is designed so that its rear grid fins can be folded forward for internal carriage and I suspect that to be able to fit two missiles side by side between the engines of a Flanker they will need to fold the grid fins too.

    If that is the case then I suspect that the under engine nacelle weapon hard points could probably have two R-77s as well.

    With its new multiple target engagement capacity it makes more sense to carry more missiles now, and develop multiple weapon carrying pylon attachments.

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    Post  Russian Patriot on Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:16 am

    Russia-China Su-35 Fighter Talks Frozen

    RIA Novosti

    12:31 17/04/2012 KUALA LUMPUR, April 17 (RIA Novosti) - Negotiations on the sale of Russian advanced Su-35 Flanker-E fighters to China have been put on hold over Beijing’s refusal to buy a large consignment, Russian state-controlled arms exporter Rosoboronexport said on Tuesday.

    “We have been promoting the Su-35 fighter on the Chinese market,” Rosoboronexport deputy chief Viktor Komardin said.

    “However, China only wants to buy a limited number [of aircraft] whereas we want [to sell] a large consignment to make [the deal] economically viable.”

    He offered no indication of the numbers involved

    The negotiations have been ongoing for more than one and a half years.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2012/04/mil-120417-rianovosti01.htm

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    Post  victor7 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:24 am

    Shameless Chinese want to copy the Su-35s and then become a competition in the arms market. No deal if they do not buy atleast 10-12 dozen 35s.

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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:55 am

    They can't even copy its engine, I rather suspect its other good bits will be too hard too, but I agree with Russias stance... buy lots or none.

    I rather suspect that when the US starts introducing F-35s to the region that China might change its tune... unless the Europeans get so desperate for money they offer to sell some Euro canards for knock down prices... but then after China cancels the deal after 4 have been delivered they will have burned all their bridges.

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    Post  victor7 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:57 am

    Chinese will outright copy the technology. Indians demand a tech exchange openly. That is why they refused Mig-35 because a) Rafeal was stealthy b) total technology transfer where Russia would offer only kit assembly c) 50% reinvestment into Indian industries where as Russia was offering only 30% but then Mig35 was nearly half the price too.

    Fine, if Indians learn a new trick or two from Rafeal technology and apply it on PakFa then good for both Russia and India. They might need stealthy planes to have force multiplier type advantage over Pak or China.

    Anyone going after Rafeal or EFT and overlooking Su-35 is just throwing money away. Good training and tactics make up alot more than any 10-20% difference in the total complex capabilities.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:00 am

    Chinese will outright copy the technology. Indians demand a tech exchange openly. That is why they refused Mig-35 because a) Rafeal was stealthy b) total technology transfer where Russia would offer only kit assembly c) 50% reinvestment into Indian industries where as Russia was offering only 30% but then Mig35 was nearly half the price too.

    If China could copy that easily why do they import Russian engines for their YF-17s... the engines they import are RD-33s with the gearbox shifted. The RD-33 entered Soviet service in the mid 1980s but the Chinese are unable to copy it themselves.

    Regarding the Indian MRCA competition... a) there was not stealth requirement in the competition so that is irrelevant. The so called stealth of the Rafale requires minimum external weapon carriage so it is largely irrelevant anyway. B) if that were true how did Mig make it to the later stages of the competition? AFAIK Mig were offering joint development and production as per the requirements. Mig has dealt with the Indians before and know what they want.

    The real reason that the Mig was rejected is because it is Russian and Mig could hardly change that.

    I have no problem with the Indians saying they want diversification of products, my problem is that they waited till Mig had spend a lot of time and money before telling them they were wasting their time... which I do have a problem with.

    Mig already have contracts for upgrading in service Indian Mig-29s to UPG level, and of course they have the contracts to make the naval K models for India and Russia.

    Anyone going after Rafeal or EFT and overlooking Su-35 is just throwing money away.

    Politics and fashion have more influence on military purchases than you seem to give credit for.

    An example is South Korea buying F-15Ks instead of Su-35s... there is no chance for South Korea to buy Su-35s because they are Americas btch and if you cross the US like that you end up like Iran or Venezuela...

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    Post  victor7 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:07 am

    Politics and fashion have more influence on military purchases than you seem to give credit for.

    Another logic of Indians was they wanted to diversify the political handshakes with everyone, US, Russia and EU. However, they forget that handshakes are good only till the real test arrives and then people start avoiding even eye contacts. India-Russia friendship is well tested over years and decades, but it seems they wanted to chum upto the French also.


    ps: Anybody remember Gaddhafi? how horribly he was back stabbed by both French and his beer buddy Silvo Berluscuni of Italy.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:03 am

    Certainly buying political support is part of the deal when you buy military equipment, but the problem is that the US can be quite fickle and self centred... notice their reaction to India testing a nuclear weapon?

    India-Russia friendship is well tested over years and decades, but it seems they wanted to chum upto the French also.

    That raises another point... the MRCA competition probably never would have come up if France had agreed to sell India some more Mirage 2000s. The logic behind diversification is to improve stability and reliability in case someone lets you down.

    To integrate a Rafale into Indias air defence network France will need access... and it was French input in Syrias air defence network that allowed the Israeli Suder to work... Once bitten?

    But I am sure India can trust France... but if France leaks things to their NATO ally the US is it possible that the US might leak these things on to Pakistan? Or for Chinese spies in the US intel community to find out...

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    Post  victor7 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:26 pm

    The French also virus infected the Iraqi IADs in 1991 with similar 'regular servicing' type request and at the time of attack, the screens were blank, so as to speak.

    Indians fear the spare parts unavailability from the Russians. But they seem to forget that 1990s were a very different times. However, Indians themselves are bad in managing their own shops. In 1999 border war with Pak, Indian diplomats were running around with suitcases full of hard currency, to places like Romania and South Africa. Romania to buy 100,000 Ak-47s and South Africa to buy artillery shells for their guns. Some 'unimpressive' defense planning. What a Face

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:07 am

    Indians fear the spare parts unavailability from the Russians.

    Spare parts and support don't just happen... it needs planning and preparation and investment.

    Taking 5 years to negotiate a deal and then the product arrives and it has a low service rate because you saved money by agreeing to an on demand spares agreement that leaves aircraft grounded while new spares are negotiated and bought is a false saving. Money needs to be spent on a spare parts pool that is kept topped up in case of problems... that is something that needs to happen on the customer side. The alternative is to pay for a customer service centre to be set up in country that can produce parts and overhaul and maintain equipment... it is not cheap but it means reduced repair costs overall and also better operational performance.


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    Re: Su-35S: News

    Post  Austin on Mon May 14, 2012 12:30 pm

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    Air Force (Air Force) Russia plans to buy 90 advanced Su-35s until 2020, told RIA Novosti on Monday, a representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Air Force, Colonel Vladimir Drik.

    "Su-35s - a continuation of deep modernization of the Su-27SM3. It will replace the world-famous fighter Su-27 and its modifications. By 2020, the Air Force plans to buy about 90 of today's super-maneuverable armored" - a spokesman said.

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    Post  George1 on Tue May 15, 2012 2:10 pm

    Russia to buy 90 brand-new Su-35S fighters

    By 2020, the Russian Air Force is to procure some 90 cutting-edge super-maneuverable Su-35S fighter jets, Air force spokesman Vladimir Drik told Ria-Novosti today.

    The Su-35S is a highly modernized version of the Su-27SM3 aircraft, which will replace the world-famous Su-27 planes, as well as the bulk of its modifications now deployed with the Russian air fleet, he said.

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_05_14/74675229/

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    Post  ali.a.r on Tue May 15, 2012 3:00 pm

    Does this mean that Russia is going to buy 90 more Su-35's ( in addition to the ones they have previously ordered ), or is that 90 Su-35s in total by 2020?

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    Post  George1 on Tue May 15, 2012 3:17 pm

    I think there will be a second order of 48 fighters. That means about 96

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    Post  TR1 on Tue May 15, 2012 9:25 pm

    It is not an actual contract, just intent to buy another batch after this one is done. Idea was floated a while ago too, this is just good confirmation.

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    Post  medo on Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:11 pm



    It seems Su-35 continue with weapons integration. Here it carry Kh-31 missile.

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    Post  medo on Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:19 pm



    Su-35 with ECM pods.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:13 am

    Su-35 is being tested for tactical employment

    The latest multi-role Su-35 fighter is being tested for tactical employment in the network of its state testing, RIA Novosti reports with reference to the official representative of Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD RF), Air Forces, Colonel Vladimir Drik.

    The state testing of multi-role super-maneuverable Su-35 fighter is underway in State Proving Flying Center (SPFC) of MoD RF named after Chkalov. Over 650 flights have already been performed in the network of the flight test program. "The flight testing of Su-35 with real tactical employment is currently being performed", - Drik said.

    The pilots of SPFC have earlier performed flights aimed at assessment of aircraft performance, durability, stability and aircraft sensitivity, the work of its powerplant and avionics.

    Important ground and flight tests for functional checking of command information system, communication system, navigation and radar system have also been completed. "The testing of this vehicle is being carried out in accordance with the program of state testing. Following the results of the completed stage of Su-35’s state joint testing it is planned to obtain the customer’s preliminary advice in October, which allows delivering the jets to flying units in accordance with plans for 2012", - Drik said.

    Su-35 will become the prime fighter of the air forces, he added. Russian air forces will acquire the first six Su-35s in 2012. The Ministry of Defense intends to purchase about 90 Su-35 fighters by 2020.

    http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2012/8/28/1170/

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    Post  medo on Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:38 pm

    I hope those 2 Su-35, which they got early this year are not counted in those 6 planes, they will get this year.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:43 pm

    medo wrote:I hope those 2 Su-35, which they got early this year are not counted in those 6 planes, they will get this year.

    They didn't deliver any su-35 yet. These 2 were on testing as the next 6. They are gong to deliver 8 this year.

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    Post  medo on Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:23 pm

    http://www.knaapo.ru/rus/gallery/events/combat/su-35/su-35s.wbp

    KNAAPO release nice pictures of new Su-35 planes. I personally more like traditional two tone blue color, but even gray one is not that bad.

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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:42 pm

    medo wrote:http://www.knaapo.ru/rus/gallery/events/combat/su-35/su-35s.wbp

    KNAAPO release nice pictures of new Su-35 planes. I personally more like traditional two tone blue color, but even gray one is not that bad.

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    Post  TR1 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:54 pm

    medo wrote:http://www.knaapo.ru/rus/gallery/events/combat/su-35/su-35s.wbp

    KNAAPO release nice pictures of new Su-35 planes. I personally more like traditional two tone blue color, but even gray one is not that bad.


    Very nice.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:13 am

    medo wrote:...I personally more like traditional two tone blue color, but even gray one is not that bad.

    The 902 prototype cammo is the best. Whoever decided on the new cammo must be colour blind...at least this one is OK compared to the Su-34 & Su-25

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    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:10 am

    How many Su-35s are going to be delivered by end of this year?

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