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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:42 am

    Not wanting to bring up the political aspects but was reading in another forum apparently the sudden improvement in 20380 productivity at Amur may be not only a result of a cash injection &/or rigorous oversight from high levels of Govt but to a previous boss being arrested for corruption & an injection of motivated ex-Ukrainian workers from Nikolaev.
    Would also explain why they're now talking about a Karakurt build there as well.

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  T-47 on Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:22 pm

    hoom wrote:Not wanting to bring up the political aspects but was reading in another forum apparently the sudden improvement in 20380 productivity at Amur may be not only a result of a cash injection &/or rigorous oversight from high levels of Govt but to a previous boss being arrested for corruption & an injection of motivated ex-Ukrainian workers from Nikolaev.
    Would also explain why they're now talking about a Karakurt build there as well.

    I think injection of some motivated Ex-Antonov engineers will be helpful for Ilyushin as well.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:33 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    hoom wrote:...............

    I think injection of some motivated Ex-Antonov engineers will be helpful for Ilyushin as well.

    Ilyushin is doing fine. They restarted production of upgraded Il-76 and created Il-476 literally from nothing all on their own. Old factory was in freakin' Uzbekistan (I mean, are you kidding me, WTF commies???)

    They now need expanded facilities and new projects and orders.

    Very last thing they need is pile of incompetent leftovers from a company that has been unable to produce a usable aircraft for past 3 decades despite having everything given to them on a silver platter.

    Intentionally compromising quality of your workforce would be extremely stupid.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:25 am

    Sounds suspiciously like the claim that it was captured Germans that created most Soviet weapons in the immediate post WWII period.

    Even super skilled workers can't just go into a new factory and suddenly change production rates beyond all recognition... they have to learn to use the equipment too and to design new products.

    @kilogolf
    What are you saying?

    Are you suggesting that Russia should have just ignored the Ukrainian demand for independence and forced it to remain part of Russia?

    Heck, if they could do that there why not just do the same in every former Soviet republic and keep the Soviet Union going?

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    Post  hoom on Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:09 am

    Sounds suspiciously like the claim that it was captured Germans that created most Soviet weapons in the immediate post WWII period.

    Even super skilled workers can't just go into a new factory and suddenly change production rates beyond all recognition... they have to learn to use the equipment too and to design new products.
    Well thats a very different & negative interpretation than I had  dunno

    I took it as implying ethnic Russians (or sane Ukrainians I guess) eager to show their worthiness to stay in the Mother country & not get sent back to Ukropia 404.
    I doubt there is particularly much difference between methods/tools at Nikolaev & Amur so skills should be pretty transferable.
    I'm pretty sure lack of staff has been a claimed issue for Amur so new bodies even if not particularly skilled would be likely to help a lot.

    Whatever the cause Amur getting its act together & getting the much delayed 20380s out the door is a good thing Very Happy
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:26 am

    The building corvette "Gromkyy" in the floating dock "Zeya"

    A series of interesting pictures of the projected 20380 "Gromkyy" corvette under construction at the Zeya dock with a floating dock at the Amur Shipbuilding Plant JSC (ASZ, part of United Shipbuilding Corporation) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. Recall that the second under construction at the site for the Russian Navy corvette project 20380 "Gromkyy" (plant number 2102) was withdrawn from the plant's dock at the floating dock "Zeya" on July 28, 2017.





    In the autumn, the "Gromkyy" corvette should be transferred for completion and subsequent testing for the new NAZHD commissioning base in Nakhodka. The delivery of the ship of the Navy is now scheduled for the end of 2018.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2770706.html
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:57 am

    From what I understand the remaining project 2038's will all go to the pacific fleet.

    They will also get the first two 20385's.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Benya on Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:03 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:From what I understand the remaining project 2038's will all go to the pacific fleet.

    Actually after Sovershenniy and Gromkiy, the Pacific Fleet will receive two more normal Steregushchiy corvettes named GRF* Aldar Tsydenzhapov and Rezkiy, while the Baltic Fleet will also receive two of them named Retiviy and Strogiy.

    They will also get the first two 20385's.

    All four Gremyashchiy corvettes will go to the Pacific Fleet, the Northern Fleet will receive Derzkiy (Project 20386) corvettes.

    *GRF - Hero of the Russian Federation (Geroy Rossiiskoy Federatsii)

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    Post  marat on Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:44 pm

    It will be interesting to see how 20385 shall be transported to TOF, on their own on or ship like submarines to Vietnam.

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    Post  T-47 on Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:04 pm

    marat wrote:It will be interesting to see how 20385 shall be transported to TOF, on their own on or ship like submarines to Vietnam.

    On their own. They are pretty big, no point of transporting them by another ship. That Vietnam ship carried two subs at once, more efficient. But not in this case.

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  marat on Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:19 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    marat wrote:It will be interesting to see how 20385 shall be transported to TOF, on their own on or ship like submarines to Vietnam.

    On their own. They are pretty big, no point of transporting them by another ship. That Vietnam ship carried two subs at once, more efficient. But not in this case.


    Well that would be very long (25000 km) and expensive journey for those ships and their crew. With average speed of 25kmh they would need 40 days not counting stops.

    And ships would have to go on dock on repairs as soon as they would reach Vladivostok.

    Those are not oceangoing ships.

    Yes they can do that, but they are not planned for such long voyages.

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    Post  hoom on Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:25 pm

    Some post-launch 20385 pics from http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2796766.html




    and progress on the 2nd

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  T-47 on Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:11 pm

    marat wrote:
    Well that would be very long (25000 km) and expensive journey for those ships and their crew. With average speed of 25kmh they would need 40 days not counting stops.

    And ships would have to go on dock on repairs as soon as they would reach Vladivostok.

    Those are not oceangoing ships.

    Yes they can do that, but they are not planned for such long voyages.

    True but carrying a ship of that size is also expensive. It depends on RuN actually.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:10 pm


    Some interior shots  thumbsup




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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:15 pm

    Given that the UKSK is already in service, why will the Derzky have shitty X-35s, especially when the 23-85s will have UKSKs?

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Tingsay on Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:56 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Given that the UKSK is already in service, why will the Derzky have shitty X-35s, especially when the 23-85s will have UKSKs?

    Only the first one, rest will get UKSK.

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:03 am

    Only the first one, rest will get UKSK.
    Seen that said a couple of times but still not seen a proper quote to back it up.
    Hope its true though.

    Edit: worth pointing out the idea for the original design not having built-in UKSK is that it can use the containerised version.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:23 am

    Tingsay wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Given that the UKSK is already in service, why will the Derzky have shitty X-35s, especially when the 23-85s will have UKSKs?

    Only the first one, rest will get UKSK.

    Which will also translate to delays in the later ships.

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    Post  Tingsay on Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:42 am

    hoom wrote:
    Only the first one, rest will get UKSK.
    Seen that said a couple of times but still not seen a proper quote to back it up.
    Hope its true though.

    Edit: worth pointing out the idea for the original design not having built-in UKSK is that it can use the containerised version.

    Yes, that's the brilliance of the design. Even if it doesn't get built-in ones, it's not a problem.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:26 pm

    hoom wrote:
    Only the first one, rest will get UKSK.
    Seen that said a couple of times but still not seen a proper quote to back it up.
    Hope its true though.

    Edit: worth pointing out the idea for the original design not having built-in UKSK is that it can use the containerised version.

    That would possibly help make it rather cheaper to modernize.

    But they will use UKSK in order to make systems cheaper overall since so many other ships getting it.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:41 pm

    hoom wrote:
    Only the first one, rest will get UKSK.
    Seen that said a couple of times but still not seen a proper quote to back it up.
    Hope its true though.

    Edit: worth pointing out the idea for the original design not having built-in UKSK is that it can use the containerised version.

    Even though they are multirole vessels Derzkii's core purpose is still anti-sub warfare, everything else is just bonus.

    X-35 is decent, simple and affordable self defense tool but ship's main armament is anti-sub helicopter and possibly anti-sub missiles stored in the container just in case.

    And don't forget that lead ships in class tend to have less weaponry than later ones. Steregushi and Karakurt are good examples. Offshore Patrol Vessel too.

    Also we have separate tread for Derzkii class so we could move this discussion there.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:04 pm

    Hull of corvette "Retivyi" was formed



    The launch of the Corvette "Retivyi" is scheduled for the second quarter of 2019. The transfer of the corvette to military seamen should take place in 2020.

    The Northern Shipyard is building five corvettes for the Russian Navy: Gremyaschiy and Agronny (Project 20385), Reticy and Strict (Project 20380), Derzky (Project 20386). The designer of all the corvettes is the Almaz Central Design Bureau, the leading developer of surface warships for small and medium displacement.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2879349.html
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    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:02 pm

    OSK Severnaya Verf: 1st Pr.20385 #corvette Gremyashchiy is "65% complete"

    http://www.morvesti.ru/detail.php?ID=66850

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:51 pm

    Apparently Soobrazitelny & Boykiy are in the Med presumably on the way to Tartus but rumored to be transferring to BSF.
    At least, they were definitely off Spain with the tanker Kola, tanker has entered & currently off Oran http://charly015.blogspot.co.nz/2017/10/el-cisterna-kola-esta-en-el-mediterraneo.html

    Possibly pics of their voyage via Balancer




    20385 progress pic


    And some footage of in-build 20380s at Komsomolsk on Amur (skip to 1:31) 2 hulls in the shed, their 2nd fitting out dockside


    Boykiy during recent exercises with PLAN

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