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    Post  hoom on Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:42 am

    Maybe, looks like randomised location & sizing though rather than just some elements of a grid missing, probably similar effect I guess.

    Bunch of onboard & interior shots of the 20380 that was at IMDS http://nortwolf-sam.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/2017_12.html

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Austin on Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:23 am

    Good Details on 20385 Project

    Stealth Warship Gremyashchy-class corvettes (Project 20385)
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:37 am

    Corvette "Sovershennyy" arrived in Vladivostok

    It is reported that on July 18, 2017, the head corvette of the project 20380 "Sovershennyy" arrived in Vladivostok from the Big Stone upon completion of state tests. As expected, in the coming days, the ceremony of passing the corvette of the Russian Navy will take place.

    It is expected that the ship will be part of the 114th brigade of surface ships of the Joint Command of the Forces and Forces in the Northeast (OKVS) of the Pacific Fleet, based in Kamchatka (Zavoiko).

    "Sovershennyy" was the first combat surface ship built on the NEA in more than 50 years (the last built on the enterprise surface combat ships were large missile ships project 57bis). At present, the construction of the following project 20380 - Gromky (plant number 2102, officially laid on April 20, 2012), Hero of the Russian Federation "Aldar Tsydenzhapov", project 20380 (plant number 2103, laid July 22, 2015) and "Rezkiy" (factory number 2104, incorporated on July 1, 2016).




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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:21 pm

    Cutting-edge corvette enters service with Russia’s Pacific Fleet russia russia

    The Project 20380 corvette is a green-water warship capable of fighting enemy surface combatants and submarines and providing fire support for amphibious landing operations

    VLADIVOSTOK, July 20. /TASS/. A ceremony of hoisting Russia’s naval flag has been held aboard the most advanced corvette Sovershenny built by the Amur Shipyard for the Russian Pacific Fleet, Fleet spokesman Captain 2nd rank Vladimir Matveyev said on Thursday.

    "After a certificate of the corvette’s acceptance was signed by industry representatives and a solemn flag-hoisting ceremony was held, the warship became operational in the Russian Navy and entered service with the Pacific Fleet by order of the Navy Commander-in-Chief," the spokesman said.

    "The flag-hoisting ceremony was attended by representatives of the Pacific Fleet command, the shipyard, the regional administration and Navy veterans," Matveyev said.

    The corvette earlier successfully passed sea and state trials, during which all the warship’s systems and armament were checked.

    The corvette Sovershenny is the fourth Project 20380 serial-produced warship. The corvette was designed at the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau. The Project 20380 corvette is a green-water warship capable of fighting enemy surface combatants and submarines and providing fire support for amphibious landing operations.

    Stealth technology is used for the corvettes’ construction. The most advanced solutions have been used to reduce the warship’s physical fields. Specifically, the corvette’s radar signature has been significantly reduced through the use of the superstructure made of low-combustible radar absorbing fiber-glass and the special architectural arrangement of the hull and the superstructure.

    The Project 20380 corvettes are green-water surface combatants. They displace 2,200 tonnes, develop a speed of 27 knots and have an operational range of 4,000 miles. They are armed with the Uran and Redut anti-ship and air defense missile systems, the A-190 100mm artillery gun and AK-630 small-caliber surface-to-air missile complexes. Corvettes of this type are equipped with Paket torpedo launchers, a helipad and a hangar for an aircraft.


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:39 pm

    Bastion-Karpenko has a bunch of pics of the 20380 Stoikii that was at IMDS
    http://foto-i-mir.ru/20380-stoikii-imds-2017-1/
    http://foto-i-mir.ru/20380-stoikii-imds-2017-2/

    More pics of Perfect arriving at Vladivostok http://nortwolf-sam.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/blog-post_29.html
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:34 am

    Sovershenny official transfer to Navy photos

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:51 am

    The "Gromky" corvette is taken out of the shipbuilding yard of the Amur Shipyard

    July 28, 2017 at the JSC "Amur Shipbuilding Plant" (ASZ, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur took place the ceremony of removing the plant from the ship's docking and launching dock "Zeya" corvette "Gromky" project 20380 - the second corvette of this type being built by this enterprise for the Russian Navy.





    At the ceremony it was reported that the overall technical readiness of the corvette "Gromky" is 75 percent. In the autumn, the corvette should be transferred for completion and subsequent testing for a new NAZHOK commissioning base. The delivery of the ship of the Navy is now scheduled for the end of 2018.

    The contract for the construction of the first two Pacific Corvettes of the project 20380 with the factory numbers 2101 and 2102 was concluded with the Russian Defense Ministry on January 26, 2006. The second corvette for this contract, "Loud" (plant number 2102) was laid on the plant only on April 20, 2012. However, on February 12, 2014, ASH and the Russian Ministry of Defense reneged the contract for the construction of a corvette with factory number 2102 in connection with the revision of the price, as a result of a close to real costs of nuclear reactors.

    The corvette of the project 20380 "Sovershennyy" (plant number 2101) was put into operation at the plant on June 30, 2006, but it was taken out of the plant's dock into the floating dock Zeya only on May 22, 2015 and was transferred to the current docking base in August 2015 ASZ in the Great Stone. The Corvette "Sovershennyy" began factory trials on January 30, 2017 and was transferred to the Russian Navy in Vladivostok on July 20, 2017.

    At present, under the state contract dated June 4, 2015, the following two corvettes for this plant are being built at NPK under the state contract 20380 with factory numbers 2103 and 2104 - Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov (plant number 2103, laid July 22, 2015) and "Rezkiy" (factory number 2104, incorporated on July 1, 2016).



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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:53 am

    George1 wrote:The "Gromky" corvette is taken out of the shipbuilding yard of the Amur Shipyard

    July 28, 2017 at the JSC "Amur Shipbuilding Plant" (ASZ, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur took place the ceremony of removing the plant from the ship's docking and launching dock "Zeya" corvette "Gromky" project 20380 - the second corvette of this type being built by this enterprise for the Russian Navy.





    At the ceremony it was reported that the overall technical readiness of the corvette "Gromky" is 75 percent. In the autumn, the corvette should be transferred for completion and subsequent testing for a new NAZHOK commissioning base. The delivery of the ship of the Navy is now scheduled for the end of 2018.

    The contract for the construction of the first two Pacific Corvettes of the project 20380 with the factory numbers 2101 and 2102 was concluded with the Russian Defense Ministry on January 26, 2006. The second corvette for this contract, "Loud" (plant number 2102) was laid on the plant only on April 20, 2012. However, on February 12, 2014, ASH and the Russian Ministry of Defense reneged the contract for the construction of a corvette with factory number 2102 in connection with the revision of the price, as a result of a close to real costs of nuclear reactors.

    The corvette of the project 20380 "Sovershennyy" (plant number 2101) was put into operation at the plant on June 30, 2006, but it was taken out of the plant's dock into the floating dock Zeya only on May 22, 2015 and was transferred to the current docking base in August 2015 ASZ in the Great Stone. The Corvette "Sovershennyy" began factory trials on January 30, 2017 and was transferred to the Russian Navy in Vladivostok on July 20, 2017.

    At present, under the state contract dated June 4, 2015, the following two corvettes for this plant are being built at NPK under the state contract 20380 with factory numbers 2103 and 2104 - Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov (plant number 2103, laid July 22, 2015) and "Rezkiy" (factory number 2104, incorporated on July 1, 2016).



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    now that's a corvette! Great ship this one.
    Much needed in a surface fleet filled exclusively, till a week ago, with quarter century-old (at best) Soviet relics, the infamous Pacific Fleet.

    Still these relatively small/light ships suffer from huge gap between their 'laid down' and 'commissioned' status. Some of them took over a decade and the gap doesn't seem to shrink. Too much time and money wasted I suspect for such a small project (few orders, small ship).

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  miroslav on Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:28 pm

    That sonar dome hands almost inappropriately low. Like my .... on a hot summer day.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:27 pm

    Does your sonar hang low, does it wobble to & fro, can you hang it over your shoulder like a regimental soldier... angel

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    According to post on Balancer re the gun testing:
    Google Translate wrote:According to press reports: 1. Uranium hit the shield at a range more calculated by certification according to its own surveillance equipment (Baltic experiences recall?)
    2. The A-190 gun (a parable in the languages ​​in the period under discussion), after the replacement of the manufacturer's rocket- The target drove into the water for 7 km, before entering the zone of defeat AK-630. In this case, Fourke (we will recall?), The target was observed from the moment of launch to the moment of destruction.
    3. For naval targets, artillery fired so accurately that only half of the planned BC was used up (in order to save the shields). TSU worked out not only from Puma, which also had no complaints.
    4. When shooting along the banks of the analogs, this gun is not exact in accuracy and fire modes.
    5. Kolomna diesel was tested at the maximum speed and reverse without any restrictions. There was no problem - ZKhI was a failure of the reverse clutch.
    6. In addition, more than 50 tests have been conducted, which in the Baltic on all four orders have not been conducted at all.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:38 pm

    5. Kolomna diesel was tested at the maximum speed and reverse without any restrictions. There was no problem - ZKhI was a failure of the reverse clutch. 
    6. In addition, more than 50 tests have been conducted, which in the Baltic on all four orders have not been conducted at all.

    So let me see if get this straight: this entire class of ships was lagging with production, had inflated prices, and proven to be barely reliable due to the fact that it was saddled with shitty Ukrainian engines that entire planet is advertising as "fucking awesome" and without which "Russian Navy is screwed" according to experts?

    Entire Baltic Fleet was in the shitter because of the presence of "superior Ukrainian technology"?

    Imagine how many frigates Navy would have had by now had they stuck with local product instead of Kiev shit?

    Hopefully Derzkii class redeems this entire type of ships now that Kolomna delivered the goods.

    As for Baltic Fleet they should order fresh sets of engines from Kolomna, rip out Ukrainian crap engines and give them to VKS so they can drop them on Rada in Kiev.

    I was right all this time.

    Superior Ukrainian engines my hairy white ass...
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:53 pm

    I don't think 20380s ever had Ukrainian engines? dunno
    20385 was going to have German MTU.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:57 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    5. Kolomna diesel was tested at the maximum speed and reverse without any restrictions. There was no problem - ZKhI was a failure of the reverse clutch. 
    6. In addition, more than 50 tests have been conducted, which in the Baltic on all four orders have not been conducted at all.

    So let me see if get this straight: this entire class of ships was lagging with production, had inflated prices, and proven to be barely reliable due to the fact that it was saddled with shitty Ukrainian engines that entire planet is advertising as "fucking awesome" and without which "Russian Navy is screwed" according to experts?

    Entire Baltic Fleet was in the shitter because of the presence of "superior Ukrainian technology"?

    Imagine how many frigates Navy would have had by now had they stuck with local product instead of Kiev shit?

    Hopefully Derzkii class redeems this entire type of ships now that Kolomna delivered the goods.

    As for Baltic Fleet they should order fresh sets of engines from Kolomna, rip out Ukrainian crap engines and give them to VKS so they can drop them on Rada in Kiev.

    I was right all this time.

    Superior Ukrainian engines my hairy white ass...

    Like those small boats they keep funding, Ukraine's defense industrial complex used to be a Russian pork barrel project. A jobs program.
    The Russian leadership was that stupid and the results will come to haunt them for over a decade since 2014, as major Soviet-era surface vessels retire without replacement.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:17 am

    If they had not bought ukrainian stuff then the ukraine likely would have turned west much faster and with less time for mismanagement the people might have been more fooled by western promises of prosperity.

    The Crimea might have become part of the EU...

    the problem with what ifs is that you can't just change one thing and expect the changes you want.

    the period after 1990 to the mid early 2000s there was not that much money available for things... or should I say there was not a lot of money spent on military things, so if you want Russian companies to have money spent on them to replace ukrainian production of engines then you have to take it away from somewhere... SAMs? Radar technology? Kret?

    Personally I think what they did was acceptable... they gave the Ukraine every chance not to be assholes, and all the while worked on their own engine technology... the PS90A development of the engine for the Il-76 was US engine technology... they would never have gotten that if they played hardball with Kiev.

    Now they are much better placed to make better engines now... back then probably not so much.


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:40 am

    GarryB wrote:If they had not bought ukrainian stuff then the ukraine likely would have turned west much faster and with less time for mismanagement the people might have been more fooled by western promises of prosperity.

    The Crimea might have become part of the EU...

    the problem with what ifs is that you can't just change one thing and expect the changes you want.

    the period after 1990 to the mid early 2000s there was not that much money available for things... or should I say there was not a lot of money spent on military things, so if you want Russian companies to have money spent on them to replace ukrainian production of engines then you have to take it away from somewhere... SAMs? Radar technology? Kret?

    Personally I think what they did was acceptable... they gave the Ukraine every chance not to be assholes, and all the while worked on their own engine technology... the PS90A development of the engine for the Il-76 was US engine technology... they would never have gotten that if they played hardball with Kiev.

    Now they are much better placed to make better engines now... back then probably not so much.

    They have no excuse. If they wanted Ukraine to stay allied, they should have kept Russian Army bases and air bases throughout the country and lobby Ukraine to join CSTO or whatever. Kuchma was allowed to play ball in the West, he shouldn't have. In the end, Russia paid for Ukrainian companies to stay afloat at the expense of national security (deal such delicate contracts to a country that wants to join your enemy's alliance).
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    Post  DasVivo on Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:14 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    They have no excuse. If they wanted Ukraine to stay allied, they should have kept Russian Army bases and air bases throughout the country and lobby Ukraine to join CSTO or whatever. Kuchma was allowed to play ball in the West, he shouldn't have. In the end, Russia paid for Ukrainian companies to stay afloat at the expense of national security (deal such delicate contracts to a country that wants to join your enemy's alliance).

    Personally speaking without wishing to go into it too much, my suspicion is multiple.....

    A) Ukraine would have been hesitant for more Russian Bases regardless whom was in charge....

    B) Attempting to force obviously would draw the heat/animosity of the western world far earlier in time, when Russia was obviously far less comfortably positioned to deal with it

    C) The Contracts/Work in Ukraine helped provide workers for the sections of Ukraine that indeed often did try and remain friendly with Russia (or were generally more sympathetic to the idea good ties including trade = good for Ukraine)...
    The argument many of these people had for maintaining good ties with Russia was in part motivated by these very continued 'trade arrangements'.
    Even up until the Orange Revolution whilst Ukraine wasn't exactly a reliable partner Politically, they hadn't gone quite completely out of control...... No so rapidly...

    D) As Garry points out Russia probably had enough things to work on over much of that time, and with limited budgets that means priorities (and to a degree no reinventing the wheel for every possible outcome)....

    IMHO the reality is Russian Shipyards etc over the years have had issues with settling on final design requirements, meeting production deadlines etc without the additional hurdle of creating new power plants and getting those out reliably....
    That the Ukrainian Card was pulled out from their hand has created issues certainly, and there are longer term lessons to be taken from it but as we see Russia is far better situated today to adapt to those new challenges and *fairly* rapidly overcome them. That a significant portion of Ukrainians didn't have the rug pulled out from underneath them has probably also helped many in Ukraine (especially those associated with Industry) to remember which side their bread was buttered on.....

    I am glad to see more of these Stereguschiys being put out despite their argued limitations.... What I am most interested to see is how production speeds vary (and ideally improve) over time.
    With the most recently laid down ships still having a predicted 3-4 year construction - commision date vs the latest Arleigh Burkes being doable in about the same time that leaves a lot of room to improve
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  hoom on Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:42 am

    Not wanting to bring up the political aspects but was reading in another forum apparently the sudden improvement in 20380 productivity at Amur may be not only a result of a cash injection &/or rigorous oversight from high levels of Govt but to a previous boss being arrested for corruption & an injection of motivated ex-Ukrainian workers from Nikolaev.
    Would also explain why they're now talking about a Karakurt build there as well.

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    Post  T-47 on Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:22 pm

    hoom wrote:Not wanting to bring up the political aspects but was reading in another forum apparently the sudden improvement in 20380 productivity at Amur may be not only a result of a cash injection &/or rigorous oversight from high levels of Govt but to a previous boss being arrested for corruption & an injection of motivated ex-Ukrainian workers from Nikolaev.
    Would also explain why they're now talking about a Karakurt build there as well.

    I think injection of some motivated Ex-Antonov engineers will be helpful for Ilyushin as well.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:33 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    hoom wrote:...............

    I think injection of some motivated Ex-Antonov engineers will be helpful for Ilyushin as well.

    Ilyushin is doing fine. They restarted production of upgraded Il-76 and created Il-476 literally from nothing all on their own. Old factory was in freakin' Uzbekistan (I mean, are you kidding me, WTF commies???)

    They now need expanded facilities and new projects and orders.

    Very last thing they need is pile of incompetent leftovers from a company that has been unable to produce a usable aircraft for past 3 decades despite having everything given to them on a silver platter.

    Intentionally compromising quality of your workforce would be extremely stupid.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:25 am

    Sounds suspiciously like the claim that it was captured Germans that created most Soviet weapons in the immediate post WWII period.

    Even super skilled workers can't just go into a new factory and suddenly change production rates beyond all recognition... they have to learn to use the equipment too and to design new products.

    @kilogolf
    What are you saying?

    Are you suggesting that Russia should have just ignored the Ukrainian demand for independence and forced it to remain part of Russia?

    Heck, if they could do that there why not just do the same in every former Soviet republic and keep the Soviet Union going?


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    Post  hoom on Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:09 am

    Sounds suspiciously like the claim that it was captured Germans that created most Soviet weapons in the immediate post WWII period.

    Even super skilled workers can't just go into a new factory and suddenly change production rates beyond all recognition... they have to learn to use the equipment too and to design new products.
    Well thats a very different & negative interpretation than I had  dunno

    I took it as implying ethnic Russians (or sane Ukrainians I guess) eager to show their worthiness to stay in the Mother country & not get sent back to Ukropia 404.
    I doubt there is particularly much difference between methods/tools at Nikolaev & Amur so skills should be pretty transferable.
    I'm pretty sure lack of staff has been a claimed issue for Amur so new bodies even if not particularly skilled would be likely to help a lot.

    Whatever the cause Amur getting its act together & getting the much delayed 20380s out the door is a good thing Very Happy
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:26 am

    The building corvette "Gromkyy" in the floating dock "Zeya"

    A series of interesting pictures of the projected 20380 "Gromkyy" corvette under construction at the Zeya dock with a floating dock at the Amur Shipbuilding Plant JSC (ASZ, part of United Shipbuilding Corporation) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. Recall that the second under construction at the site for the Russian Navy corvette project 20380 "Gromkyy" (plant number 2102) was withdrawn from the plant's dock at the floating dock "Zeya" on July 28, 2017.





    In the autumn, the "Gromkyy" corvette should be transferred for completion and subsequent testing for the new NAZHD commissioning base in Nakhodka. The delivery of the ship of the Navy is now scheduled for the end of 2018.

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:57 am

    From what I understand the remaining project 2038's will all go to the pacific fleet.

    They will also get the first two 20385's.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Benya on Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:03 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:From what I understand the remaining project 2038's will all go to the pacific fleet.

    Actually after Sovershenniy and Gromkiy, the Pacific Fleet will receive two more normal Steregushchiy corvettes named GRF* Aldar Tsydenzhapov and Rezkiy, while the Baltic Fleet will also receive two of them named Retiviy and Strogiy.

    They will also get the first two 20385's.

    All four Gremyashchiy corvettes will go to the Pacific Fleet, the Northern Fleet will receive Derzkiy (Project 20386) corvettes.

    *GRF - Hero of the Russian Federation (Geroy Rossiiskoy Federatsii)

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    Post  marat on Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:44 pm

    It will be interesting to see how 20385 shall be transported to TOF, on their own on or ship like submarines to Vietnam.

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