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    Post  hoom on Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:56 am

    Couple more Bastion-Karpenko IMDS pics
    20385 mast


    20386 model


    20380 engine room pics
    http://nortwolf-sam.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/20380.html

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    Post  hoom on Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:24 pm

    Finally some news on the radar system
    http://www.janes.com/article/71971/imds-2017-zaslon-ready-to-install-new-multifunctional-radar-on-future-russian-surface-combatants
    Speaking to Jane’s at the International Maritime Defence Show (IMDS) in St Petersburg, industry sources confirmed that the Zaslon Multi-Purpose Navy Radar System (MF RLK ZASLON) has completed its development phase, and is “now ready to be deployed as the flagship radar of next generation ships in the Russian Navy”.

    http://nortwolf-sam.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/blog-post_4.html has some pics from their IMDS brochure, dunno if there is anything new/interesting there...




    Bastion-karpenko has something about a new test stand for multi-function radar, obviously related to this system, unclear to me whether its 'this will help with future systems' or 'we kicked some ass so the damn thing gets done' dunno
    Google translate wrote:"In accordance with the indication of the Chief of the Navy, Admiral Vladimir Korolev, after a detailed study of the scientific organizations of the Navy a number of directions equipping warships class" frigate "and" corvette "multi-function radar system, the High Command of the Navy has intensified and concretized the question of bench tests naval weapon systems and, in particular, , the latest electronic weapons systems. For this most modern polygon database it will be used. This will allow the preliminary stage, to implementation and integration of systems into the new ship built defense enterprises, to fully experience one or the other set of electronic weapons and ship systems, avoiding the process of further revisions directly on the ship ", - said Deputy Navy Commander for Armaments Vice Admiral Victor Bursuc. According to him, "in the current 2017 I went to work and began to function was commissioning a modern landfill in Lake Ladoga, built PJSC" Northern Shipyard "and JSC" Barrier "and designed to test the latest electronic weapons, as well as optical systems. Landfill has the potential to create real conditions for shipboard testing equipment. This will significantly reduce the activities of the ship dates of tests and work out modes of application of radio systems in the environment of any complexity » Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation Ministry of Defense
    Источник: http://bastion-opk.ru/20385_01/ ОВТ «ОРУЖИЕ ОТЕЧЕСТВА» A.V.Karpenko
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Benya on Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:50 pm

    Russian Pacific Fleet Project 20380 Corvette Sovershenny Completes Sea Trials

    The advanced Project 20380 corvette Sovershenny built for the Pacific Fleet by the Amur Shipyard in Russia’s Far East has completed the sea stage of its state trials, fleet spokesman Captain 2nd Rank Vladimir Matveyev said.


    Project 20380 corvette Sovershenny built for the Pacific Fleet

    Check and final painting are currently under way on the ship, the spokesman added.

    "The corvette Sovershenny has completed its state trials at Pacific Fleet sea ranges. During the state trials, the shipbuilder team in cooperation with the corvette’s crew and the state acceptance commission held maneuverability and speed tests and checked the operation of all its systems, units, navigation and radio equipment and weapons," Matveyev said.

    "In particular, the ship’s crew conducted missile and artillery test firing against surface, aerial and coastal targets and practiced air defense and antisubmarine warfare. Kamov Ka-27 [NATO reporting name: Helix] shipborne helicopters landed on the corvette for the first time," he added.

    After the customer signs the acceptance report, the ship will join the Pacific Fleet. The Project 20380 corvette is a close maritime zone warship. It is designed to fight surface ships and submarines and provide fire support during amphibious landing operations. The Project 20380 corvette has a full displacement of about 2,200 tons, a speed of 27 knots and a cruising capacity of 4,000 miles. The corvette’s main armament includes the Uran anti-ship and Redut air defense missile systems. It is also armed with the 100mm A-190 and 30mm AK-630 guns and Paket torpedo launchers. It also has a helipad and a hangar.

    Source Arrow http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/july-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5364-russian-pacific-fleet-project-20380-corvette-sovershenny-completes-sea-trials.html
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    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:03 am

    After successful completion of tests, Sovershenny will be handed over to the Navy (Pacific fleet) on the 20th of July.
    A week or two after that, the second ship (Gromky) will be taken out of the construction yard and be prepared for launch.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:09 am

    TheArmenian wrote:After successful completion of tests, Sovershenny will be handed over to the Navy (Pacific fleet) on the 20th of July.
    A week or two after that, the second ship (Gromky) will be taken out of the construction yard and be prepared for launch.

    http://amurpress.ru/society/6298/

    Thanks for posting actual news TheArmenian, I was getting seriously tired of all aircraft carrier drama in Naval section...
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:15 am

    So this must be the first new surface ship for Pacific fleet after over 25 years?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:32 am

    George1 wrote:So this must be the first new surface ship for Pacific fleet after over 25 years?

    Yup. They should also be receiving all 4 of Gremashi corvettes.

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    Post  hoom on Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:26 pm

    Pics of Barrier mast from IMDS http://foto-i-mir.ru/zaslon-imds-2017/


    Still fascinated by that apparent stochastic layout of the T/R modules in the bottom antenna, pretty sure nobody has done that previously.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:09 pm

    hoom wrote:
    Still fascinated by that apparent stochastic layout of the T/R modules in the bottom antenna, pretty sure nobody has done that previously.

    http://www.radartutorial.eu/06.antennas/Thinned%20Array.en.html

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    Post  hoom on Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:12 pm

    Maybe, looks like randomised location & sizing though rather than just some elements of a grid missing, probably similar effect I guess.

    Bunch of onboard & interior shots of the 20380 that was at IMDS http://nortwolf-sam.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/2017_12.html

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    Post  Austin on Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:53 pm

    Good Details on 20385 Project

    Stealth Warship Gremyashchy-class corvettes (Project 20385)
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:07 am

    Corvette "Sovershennyy" arrived in Vladivostok

    It is reported that on July 18, 2017, the head corvette of the project 20380 "Sovershennyy" arrived in Vladivostok from the Big Stone upon completion of state tests. As expected, in the coming days, the ceremony of passing the corvette of the Russian Navy will take place.

    It is expected that the ship will be part of the 114th brigade of surface ships of the Joint Command of the Forces and Forces in the Northeast (OKVS) of the Pacific Fleet, based in Kamchatka (Zavoiko).

    "Sovershennyy" was the first combat surface ship built on the NEA in more than 50 years (the last built on the enterprise surface combat ships were large missile ships project 57bis). At present, the construction of the following project 20380 - Gromky (plant number 2102, officially laid on April 20, 2012), Hero of the Russian Federation "Aldar Tsydenzhapov", project 20380 (plant number 2103, laid July 22, 2015) and "Rezkiy" (factory number 2104, incorporated on July 1, 2016).




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    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:51 pm

    Cutting-edge corvette enters service with Russia’s Pacific Fleet russia russia

    The Project 20380 corvette is a green-water warship capable of fighting enemy surface combatants and submarines and providing fire support for amphibious landing operations

    VLADIVOSTOK, July 20. /TASS/. A ceremony of hoisting Russia’s naval flag has been held aboard the most advanced corvette Sovershenny built by the Amur Shipyard for the Russian Pacific Fleet, Fleet spokesman Captain 2nd rank Vladimir Matveyev said on Thursday.

    "After a certificate of the corvette’s acceptance was signed by industry representatives and a solemn flag-hoisting ceremony was held, the warship became operational in the Russian Navy and entered service with the Pacific Fleet by order of the Navy Commander-in-Chief," the spokesman said.

    "The flag-hoisting ceremony was attended by representatives of the Pacific Fleet command, the shipyard, the regional administration and Navy veterans," Matveyev said.

    The corvette earlier successfully passed sea and state trials, during which all the warship’s systems and armament were checked.

    The corvette Sovershenny is the fourth Project 20380 serial-produced warship. The corvette was designed at the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau. The Project 20380 corvette is a green-water warship capable of fighting enemy surface combatants and submarines and providing fire support for amphibious landing operations.

    Stealth technology is used for the corvettes’ construction. The most advanced solutions have been used to reduce the warship’s physical fields. Specifically, the corvette’s radar signature has been significantly reduced through the use of the superstructure made of low-combustible radar absorbing fiber-glass and the special architectural arrangement of the hull and the superstructure.

    The Project 20380 corvettes are green-water surface combatants. They displace 2,200 tonnes, develop a speed of 27 knots and have an operational range of 4,000 miles. They are armed with the Uran and Redut anti-ship and air defense missile systems, the A-190 100mm artillery gun and AK-630 small-caliber surface-to-air missile complexes. Corvettes of this type are equipped with Paket torpedo launchers, a helipad and a hangar for an aircraft.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/957025

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    Post  hoom on Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:09 pm

    Bastion-Karpenko has a bunch of pics of the 20380 Stoikii that was at IMDS
    http://foto-i-mir.ru/20380-stoikii-imds-2017-1/
    http://foto-i-mir.ru/20380-stoikii-imds-2017-2/

    More pics of Perfect arriving at Vladivostok http://nortwolf-sam.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/blog-post_29.html
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    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:04 am

    Sovershenny official transfer to Navy photos

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2740676.html

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    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:21 pm

    The "Gromky" corvette is taken out of the shipbuilding yard of the Amur Shipyard

    July 28, 2017 at the JSC "Amur Shipbuilding Plant" (ASZ, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur took place the ceremony of removing the plant from the ship's docking and launching dock "Zeya" corvette "Gromky" project 20380 - the second corvette of this type being built by this enterprise for the Russian Navy.





    At the ceremony it was reported that the overall technical readiness of the corvette "Gromky" is 75 percent. In the autumn, the corvette should be transferred for completion and subsequent testing for a new NAZHOK commissioning base. The delivery of the ship of the Navy is now scheduled for the end of 2018.

    The contract for the construction of the first two Pacific Corvettes of the project 20380 with the factory numbers 2101 and 2102 was concluded with the Russian Defense Ministry on January 26, 2006. The second corvette for this contract, "Loud" (plant number 2102) was laid on the plant only on April 20, 2012. However, on February 12, 2014, ASH and the Russian Ministry of Defense reneged the contract for the construction of a corvette with factory number 2102 in connection with the revision of the price, as a result of a close to real costs of nuclear reactors.

    The corvette of the project 20380 "Sovershennyy" (plant number 2101) was put into operation at the plant on June 30, 2006, but it was taken out of the plant's dock into the floating dock Zeya only on May 22, 2015 and was transferred to the current docking base in August 2015 ASZ in the Great Stone. The Corvette "Sovershennyy" began factory trials on January 30, 2017 and was transferred to the Russian Navy in Vladivostok on July 20, 2017.

    At present, under the state contract dated June 4, 2015, the following two corvettes for this plant are being built at NPK under the state contract 20380 with factory numbers 2103 and 2104 - Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov (plant number 2103, laid July 22, 2015) and "Rezkiy" (factory number 2104, incorporated on July 1, 2016).



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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:23 pm

    George1 wrote:The "Gromky" corvette is taken out of the shipbuilding yard of the Amur Shipyard

    July 28, 2017 at the JSC "Amur Shipbuilding Plant" (ASZ, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur took place the ceremony of removing the plant from the ship's docking and launching dock "Zeya" corvette "Gromky" project 20380 - the second corvette of this type being built by this enterprise for the Russian Navy.





    At the ceremony it was reported that the overall technical readiness of the corvette "Gromky" is 75 percent. In the autumn, the corvette should be transferred for completion and subsequent testing for a new NAZHOK commissioning base. The delivery of the ship of the Navy is now scheduled for the end of 2018.

    The contract for the construction of the first two Pacific Corvettes of the project 20380 with the factory numbers 2101 and 2102 was concluded with the Russian Defense Ministry on January 26, 2006. The second corvette for this contract, "Loud" (plant number 2102) was laid on the plant only on April 20, 2012. However, on February 12, 2014, ASH and the Russian Ministry of Defense reneged the contract for the construction of a corvette with factory number 2102 in connection with the revision of the price, as a result of a close to real costs of nuclear reactors.

    The corvette of the project 20380 "Sovershennyy" (plant number 2101) was put into operation at the plant on June 30, 2006, but it was taken out of the plant's dock into the floating dock Zeya only on May 22, 2015 and was transferred to the current docking base in August 2015 ASZ in the Great Stone. The Corvette "Sovershennyy" began factory trials on January 30, 2017 and was transferred to the Russian Navy in Vladivostok on July 20, 2017.

    At present, under the state contract dated June 4, 2015, the following two corvettes for this plant are being built at NPK under the state contract 20380 with factory numbers 2103 and 2104 - Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov (plant number 2103, laid July 22, 2015) and "Rezkiy" (factory number 2104, incorporated on July 1, 2016).



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    now that's a corvette! Great ship this one.
    Much needed in a surface fleet filled exclusively, till a week ago, with quarter century-old (at best) Soviet relics, the infamous Pacific Fleet.

    Still these relatively small/light ships suffer from huge gap between their 'laid down' and 'commissioned' status. Some of them took over a decade and the gap doesn't seem to shrink. Too much time and money wasted I suspect for such a small project (few orders, small ship).

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    Post  miroslav on Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:58 pm

    That sonar dome hands almost inappropriately low. Like my .... on a hot summer day.

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    Post  hoom on Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:57 pm

    Does your sonar hang low, does it wobble to & fro, can you hang it over your shoulder like a regimental soldier... angel

    Sovershenny


    According to post on Balancer re the gun testing:
    Google Translate wrote:According to press reports: 1. Uranium hit the shield at a range more calculated by certification according to its own surveillance equipment (Baltic experiences recall?)
    2. The A-190 gun (a parable in the languages ​​in the period under discussion), after the replacement of the manufacturer's rocket- The target drove into the water for 7 km, before entering the zone of defeat AK-630. In this case, Fourke (we will recall?), The target was observed from the moment of launch to the moment of destruction.
    3. For naval targets, artillery fired so accurately that only half of the planned BC was used up (in order to save the shields). TSU worked out not only from Puma, which also had no complaints.
    4. When shooting along the banks of the analogs, this gun is not exact in accuracy and fire modes.
    5. Kolomna diesel was tested at the maximum speed and reverse without any restrictions. There was no problem - ZKhI was a failure of the reverse clutch.
    6. In addition, more than 50 tests have been conducted, which in the Baltic on all four orders have not been conducted at all.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:08 pm

    5. Kolomna diesel was tested at the maximum speed and reverse without any restrictions. There was no problem - ZKhI was a failure of the reverse clutch. 
    6. In addition, more than 50 tests have been conducted, which in the Baltic on all four orders have not been conducted at all.

    So let me see if get this straight: this entire class of ships was lagging with production, had inflated prices, and proven to be barely reliable due to the fact that it was saddled with shitty Ukrainian engines that entire planet is advertising as "fucking awesome" and without which "Russian Navy is screwed" according to experts?

    Entire Baltic Fleet was in the shitter because of the presence of "superior Ukrainian technology"?

    Imagine how many frigates Navy would have had by now had they stuck with local product instead of Kiev shit?

    Hopefully Derzkii class redeems this entire type of ships now that Kolomna delivered the goods.

    As for Baltic Fleet they should order fresh sets of engines from Kolomna, rip out Ukrainian crap engines and give them to VKS so they can drop them on Rada in Kiev.

    I was right all this time.

    Superior Ukrainian engines my hairy white ass...

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    Post  hoom on Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:23 pm

    I don't think 20380s ever had Ukrainian engines? dunno
    20385 was going to have German MTU.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:27 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    5. Kolomna diesel was tested at the maximum speed and reverse without any restrictions. There was no problem - ZKhI was a failure of the reverse clutch. 
    6. In addition, more than 50 tests have been conducted, which in the Baltic on all four orders have not been conducted at all.

    So let me see if get this straight: this entire class of ships was lagging with production, had inflated prices, and proven to be barely reliable due to the fact that it was saddled with shitty Ukrainian engines that entire planet is advertising as "fucking awesome" and without which "Russian Navy is screwed" according to experts?

    Entire Baltic Fleet was in the shitter because of the presence of "superior Ukrainian technology"?

    Imagine how many frigates Navy would have had by now had they stuck with local product instead of Kiev shit?

    Hopefully Derzkii class redeems this entire type of ships now that Kolomna delivered the goods.

    As for Baltic Fleet they should order fresh sets of engines from Kolomna, rip out Ukrainian crap engines and give them to VKS so they can drop them on Rada in Kiev.

    I was right all this time.

    Superior Ukrainian engines my hairy white ass...

    Like those small boats they keep funding, Ukraine's defense industrial complex used to be a Russian pork barrel project. A jobs program.
    The Russian leadership was that stupid and the results will come to haunt them for over a decade since 2014, as major Soviet-era surface vessels retire without replacement.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:47 pm

    If they had not bought ukrainian stuff then the ukraine likely would have turned west much faster and with less time for mismanagement the people might have been more fooled by western promises of prosperity.

    The Crimea might have become part of the EU...

    the problem with what ifs is that you can't just change one thing and expect the changes you want.

    the period after 1990 to the mid early 2000s there was not that much money available for things... or should I say there was not a lot of money spent on military things, so if you want Russian companies to have money spent on them to replace ukrainian production of engines then you have to take it away from somewhere... SAMs? Radar technology? Kret?

    Personally I think what they did was acceptable... they gave the Ukraine every chance not to be assholes, and all the while worked on their own engine technology... the PS90A development of the engine for the Il-76 was US engine technology... they would never have gotten that if they played hardball with Kiev.

    Now they are much better placed to make better engines now... back then probably not so much.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:10 pm

    GarryB wrote:If they had not bought ukrainian stuff then the ukraine likely would have turned west much faster and with less time for mismanagement the people might have been more fooled by western promises of prosperity.

    The Crimea might have become part of the EU...

    the problem with what ifs is that you can't just change one thing and expect the changes you want.

    the period after 1990 to the mid early 2000s there was not that much money available for things... or should I say there was not a lot of money spent on military things, so if you want Russian companies to have money spent on them to replace ukrainian production of engines then you have to take it away from somewhere... SAMs? Radar technology? Kret?

    Personally I think what they did was acceptable... they gave the Ukraine every chance not to be assholes, and all the while worked on their own engine technology... the PS90A development of the engine for the Il-76 was US engine technology... they would never have gotten that if they played hardball with Kiev.

    Now they are much better placed to make better engines now... back then probably not so much.

    They have no excuse. If they wanted Ukraine to stay allied, they should have kept Russian Army bases and air bases throughout the country and lobby Ukraine to join CSTO or whatever. Kuchma was allowed to play ball in the West, he shouldn't have. In the end, Russia paid for Ukrainian companies to stay afloat at the expense of national security (deal such delicate contracts to a country that wants to join your enemy's alliance).
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    Post  DasVivo on Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:44 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    They have no excuse. If they wanted Ukraine to stay allied, they should have kept Russian Army bases and air bases throughout the country and lobby Ukraine to join CSTO or whatever. Kuchma was allowed to play ball in the West, he shouldn't have. In the end, Russia paid for Ukrainian companies to stay afloat at the expense of national security (deal such delicate contracts to a country that wants to join your enemy's alliance).

    Personally speaking without wishing to go into it too much, my suspicion is multiple.....

    A) Ukraine would have been hesitant for more Russian Bases regardless whom was in charge....

    B) Attempting to force obviously would draw the heat/animosity of the western world far earlier in time, when Russia was obviously far less comfortably positioned to deal with it

    C) The Contracts/Work in Ukraine helped provide workers for the sections of Ukraine that indeed often did try and remain friendly with Russia (or were generally more sympathetic to the idea good ties including trade = good for Ukraine)...
    The argument many of these people had for maintaining good ties with Russia was in part motivated by these very continued 'trade arrangements'.
    Even up until the Orange Revolution whilst Ukraine wasn't exactly a reliable partner Politically, they hadn't gone quite completely out of control...... No so rapidly...

    D) As Garry points out Russia probably had enough things to work on over much of that time, and with limited budgets that means priorities (and to a degree no reinventing the wheel for every possible outcome)....

    IMHO the reality is Russian Shipyards etc over the years have had issues with settling on final design requirements, meeting production deadlines etc without the additional hurdle of creating new power plants and getting those out reliably....
    That the Ukrainian Card was pulled out from their hand has created issues certainly, and there are longer term lessons to be taken from it but as we see Russia is far better situated today to adapt to those new challenges and *fairly* rapidly overcome them. That a significant portion of Ukrainians didn't have the rug pulled out from underneath them has probably also helped many in Ukraine (especially those associated with Industry) to remember which side their bread was buttered on.....

    I am glad to see more of these Stereguschiys being put out despite their argued limitations.... What I am most interested to see is how production speeds vary (and ideally improve) over time.
    With the most recently laid down ships still having a predicted 3-4 year construction - commision date vs the latest Arleigh Burkes being doable in about the same time that leaves a lot of room to improve

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