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    Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TR1 on Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:47 am

    http://www.flotprom.ru/news/?ELEMENT_ID=164194

    What the.

    The contract with Aur over 20380 construction had DOUBLE the price the MOD is paying for one ship. The first ship was for 6.5 billion rubles, now the contract is for 13 billion rubles.
    Yes, you heard that right. For that sort of money Amur better turn into a magic yard.

    And this isn't even for 20385!!!


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  xeno on Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:29 am

    Amur Shipyard has been totally ruined during past 20 years. MOD knows it very well and is actually rebuilding the shipyard(infrastructure and staff recruiting and training, etc).
    BTW I would rather pay 400M dollars for a 20381 instead of a 11356M...
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:39 am

    TR1 wrote:http://www.flotprom.ru/news/?ELEMENT_ID=164194

    What the.

    The contract with Aur over 20380 construction had DOUBLE the price the MOD is paying for one ship. The first ship was for 6.5 billion rubles, now the contract is for 13 billion rubles.
    Yes, you heard that right. For that sort of money Amur better turn into a magic yard.

    And this isn't even for 20385!!!


    Well, if it comes with restructuring the facility, modernize it, and training staff, then I have to say it will be money well spent. If not, then wow.

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Austin on Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:38 am

    Looking at the way SY rips of money from  MOD ......I am quite certain they wont be able to meet Navy SAP 2020 needs within alloted money ...... not to mentioned the economy problem does not help either.

    Generally for production batches the cost is lower over lead ship but here is exactly the opposite.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TR1 on Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:50 am

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TR1 on Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:26 am

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/821840.html#comments

    First 20380 from Amur is expected at the earliest in late 2015.
    So probably 2016.

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    Post  xeno on Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:27 pm


    So, finally 9M96 from 20381...
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  medo on Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:17 pm

    xeno wrote:
    So, finally 9M96 from 20381...

    So Redut now work normally as planed? I hope it will soon become operational.

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    Post  calripson on Sat May 24, 2014 2:59 am

    When is the Stoikiy supposed to be commissioned ? She has been in trials for a long time.
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    Post  TR1 on Mon May 26, 2014 10:11 pm

    The superstructure of the lead 20835 ship, Gremyshy, is completed and being sent by barge to Severnaya.

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=389551&download=2&type=.jpg
    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=389557&download=2&type=.jpg
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TR1 on Thu May 29, 2014 11:03 am

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=389907&download=2&type=.jpg

    Stoiky almost done.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TR1 on Thu May 29, 2014 9:07 pm

    calripson wrote:When is the Stoikiy supposed to be commissioned ? She has been in trials for a long time.

    It has been handed over finally.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GarryB on Fri May 30, 2014 9:39 am

    Generally for production batches the cost is lower over lead ship but here is exactly the opposite.

    That really only applies to a shipyard ready for production.

    In this case the shipyard was in poor condition and would scramble to build a ship properly.

    Getting a second order wont help that much unless there is a profit padded in there to pay for infrastructure.
    Very simply when you are paid to build something you work out materials and labour costs and use any profits to reinvest into the shipyard with new equipment, extra training and personnel.

    When you are tragically underfunded you take the first money you are paid and try to pay off some debt so the subcontractors you need to build components will continue to work with you. You scrimp and scrape parts together at the lowest cost so you can invest more of the money into the infrastructure so future contracts can be tendered for.

    the dramatic increase in price is likely largely for infrastructure and tooling and training costs which should lead to improved production performance without the scrimping and lead to the costs going down later and production speed increasing.


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 9:44 pm

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201406020307-p0oe.htm#

    Finally footage of Soobrazitelny firing Redut.
    1.) You can clearly see its one tube per cell.
    2.) Man that side thruster makes a hideous smoke.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  navyfield on Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:33 pm

    so just 12 redut missiles on that ship ? affraid 
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:44 am

    navyfield wrote:so just 12 redut missiles on that ship ? affraid 

    Yes, as I thought from the start.

    It is a small ship, Redut is a pretty potent system on a corvette.
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    Post  xeno on Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:42 pm

    Awesome....
    But vid is too short...
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:10 pm

    In that second video you can see the tube for the missile does not take up the entire area for the "tube" under the hatch.


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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:29 pm

    From the original TvZvezda video (which is now deleted from their website):

    I paused the video when the missile came out and was surprised to see that it looked different than the 9M96 that where shown many times before. The layout was similar, but the forward fins were placed further back.
    I wish I had made a screenshot.

    In the video posted by Morpheue Eberhardt, I could not get to see the missile properly because of the smoke.
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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  Viktor on Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:39 pm

    Something like this perhaps?



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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:46 pm

    Pretty close.
    If my eyes were not deceiving me, the fins were a bit more towards the rear.
    I hope someone finds the TvZvezda video somewhere to make sure.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:50 am

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    Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:46 am

    Thanks Morpheus. You got my vote.
    The fins are just like the ones on Viktor's picture (maybe a few centimeters back, hard to tell).

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