sepheronx wrote:- What would Moscow gain from killing pro Russians in Ukraine (this is aimed at Beobachtar)
Did you forget that the Kremlin opposes many Russian nationalists, many people who are pro-Russians?
Being pro-Russian does not make you automatically pro-Kremlin and vice versa.
sepheronx wrote:- What would LNR gain from killing people whom are defending their territory?
They are not considered essential for the defense of the LPR territory.
On the other hand, they do represent a threat to the existing corrupt order.
sepheronx wrote:- If they are a bunch of Kiev tools, then why are they fighting against Kiev and having so many of their own people die, while also committing economic war with each other?
They are not Kiev's tools, but I guess they prefer cooperating with Kiev, see illegal coal trade rather than men in Donbass like Dremov who opposed such crimes.
sepheronx wrote:- If they are Putin Corrupt trolls like you say Khepesh, then what do they gain with this with Kiev? Russia has more to gain with these territories causing trouble for Kiev than they gain being a bunch of Kiev stooges.
They did not murder Dremov for Kiev. It was for the sake of their own business.
sepheronx wrote:And why would Kremlin dislike Idealists? Have you not seen Putin's speeches and what is actually happening? You will notice that is far from what you are saying and I have a feeling there is a lot of bias-ism from you, which is not surprising seeing your previous comments (Putin gave up, Putin did this and that). So it is easy to simply ignore you till you actually come up with a convincing argument rather than a simple pie throw about Kremlin.
Idealists are harder to control, harder to bribe.
They do not fit as well as others in the system of the Kremlin.
Putin is a politician. Politicians lie a lot. Judge them by their deeds, not their words.
sepheronx wrote:And they wont gain better terms from Kiev because LNR has been getting some pretty good hardware from Russia (pantsir's mentioned earlier) and clearly that would mean that LNR would be more of a problem for Russia than not if that was the case. As well, LNR isn't Donbass. So you are mixing up the two of them.
I don't understand what you mean.
Pantsir is irrelevant here.
They are not getting better terms because Kiev does not want to look weak and endanger Poroshenko's rule.
Kiev has already written off Donbass and does not want to regain it as an autonomous region.
Because the Kremlin is supporting the corrupt elites in Donbass.
The Kremlin dislikes idealist people like Mozgovoi and wants them gone.
Idealist pose far bigger treat for people they fight for than for their enemies.
And that is one of the reasons why Maidan won in Ukraine.
Idealists are an essential part of the avantgard.
The DLNR are separate from Ukraine thanks to idealists who were willing to fight from the beginning.