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    Walther von Oldenburg

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    Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:35 pm

    Ok guys.

    If Turkey was to be partitioned as a result of direct war with Russia, how would thaat partition look like?

    Visual representation via map would be appreciated. I can't make my own maps but my ideas are:
    1. Hatay province goes to Syria
    3. Kurdish majority areas go to PKK.
    3. Armenia takes a small part of Turkey together with Ararat... I can't say how much
    4. Greece takes something too - but can't say how much
    5. Can't say what happens to IStanbul.
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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:42 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    4. Greece takes something too - but can't say how much
    5. Can't say what happens to IStanbul.

    Greece takes Eastern Thrace with Istanbul, West minor asia (smyrna region) All these areas that there was greek civilization from Byzantine era. And occupied Cyprus of course.


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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:44 pm

    Probably something like Treaty of Serves version 2.

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    3. Armenia takes a small part of Turkey together with Ararat... I can't say how much

    Ataturk expelled all Greeks out of Turkey long ago... so I dunno whether the Hellenic state can easily claim some land in Asia Minor.
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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:49 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Probably something like Treaty of Serves version 2.

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    3. Armenia takes a small part of Turkey together with Ararat... I can't say how much

    Ataturk expelled all Greeks out of Turkey long ago... so I dunno whether the Hellenic state can easily claim some land in Asia Minor.

    at the same logic he expelled all Armenians from their traditional lands and then Turkey all Syrians from Hatay province.


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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  par far on Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:33 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Ok guys.

    If Turkey was to be partitioned as a result of direct war with Russia, how would thaat partition look like?

    Visual representation via map would be appreciated. I can't make my own maps but my ideas are:
    1. Hatay province goes to Syria
    3. Kurdish majority areas go to PKK.
    3. Armenia takes a small part of Turkey together with Ararat... I can't say how much
    4. Greece takes something too - but can't say how much
    5. Can't say what happens to IStanbul.


    Russia takes Istanbul, along with the Bosphorus Strait.
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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:38 pm

    par far wrote:

    Russia takes Istanbul, along with the Bosphorus Strait.

    Yes but it would be difficult to keep it forever. West/USA will never accept this. There would probably be a "middle" solution.


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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  par far on Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:45 pm

    George1 wrote:
    par far wrote:

    Russia takes Istanbul, along with the Bosphorus Strait.

    Yes but it would be difficult to keep it forever. West/USA will never accept this. There would probably be a "middle" solution.


    Take the Bosphorus Strait and give Istanbul to Greece?
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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:42 pm

    par far wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    par far wrote:

    Russia takes Istanbul, along with the Bosphorus Strait.

    Yes but it would be difficult to keep it forever. West/USA will never accept this. There would probably be a "middle" solution.


    Take the Bosphorus Strait and give Istanbul to Greece?

    if the alternative is a full scale long-term war with NATO yes


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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  OminousSpudd on Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:38 pm

    Greece is the EU's weak link. Renege Istanbul to Athens = continued improvement of relations with Russia due to economic gains on Greece's behalf and strong play of the "Orthodox reunion card."
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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:08 pm

    Is it even possible to attack Turkey from Greece?

    The terrain of East Thrace is extremely hostile to large troop concentration - i makes very good defensive positions so if Turks invaded Greece, they would be in very difficult situation - but it also makes invading other countries hard.

    The only place where you can amass troops is a ~1000km2 plain near the Greco--Turkish border on which Greece would have to amass 100k troops and supply them via just one road.... moreover the first thing they would have to do is crossing a river between 100 and 300m wide depending on the place.
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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:14 pm

    Τhe only thing for sure that i can say is that Greece (although a EE and NATO member) will stay neutral in any war between foreign countries. We have never participate in a coalition campaign with combat troops and we will never do it


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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:42 pm

    We also advocate Greek sovereignty over the Cyprus, added Putin, and call the Turkish regime to end its decades-long occupation of this Mediterranean island.


    http://www.awdnews.com/top-news/putin-if-turkey-s-erdo%C4%9Fan-doesn-t-stop-supporting-terrorists-in-syria,-i-shall-restore-constantinople-istanbul-to-christendom

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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  Mattke on Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:31 pm

    The treaty of Sèvres gets my vote...

    Remains the question; what to do with the Turkish Islamic population?
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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:16 pm

    Mattke wrote:The treaty of Sèvres gets my vote...

    Remains the question; what to do with the Turkish Islamic population?

    they have their own shunni state in eastern part of turkey


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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  The Ottoman on Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:08 pm

    Turkey will never partitied.

    And if so, not a single of the 100 million Turks will accept it to live under a colonial power/occupying force.

    Turks are not Arabs. They are the grandkids of Atilla the Hun.
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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  Project Canada on Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:13 pm

    The Ottoman wrote:

    Turks are not Arabs. They are the grandkids of Atilla the Hun.

    I dont think so, when you google Hunnic empire, Anatolia is never in its boundaries. Besudes, the Arab muhammedans successfully enslaved your people by converting them to Izlam and continues to do so up to now, so until the day Turks begin to adopt their own indigenous religion, Turks will always be viewed as lesser than their Izlamic Arab masters.
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    Re: Hypothetical partition of Turkey

    Post  The Ottoman on Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:19 pm

    Project Canada wrote:
    The Ottoman wrote:

    Turks are not Arabs. They are the grandkids of Atilla the Hun.

    I dont think so, when you google Hunnic empire, Anatolia is never in its boundaries. Besudes, the Arab muhammedans successfully enslaved your people by converting them to Izlam and continues to do so up to now, so until the day Turks begin to adopt their own indigenous religion, Turks will always be viewed as lesser than their Izlamic Arab masters.

    Like I said, Turkey will not fall.

    The whole world saw this yesterday.

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