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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:29 pm

    It certainly would not hurt to deploy a bunch of Ka-52s to Kuweires to act as close air support to forces nearby. Wink

    What about Deir Ezzor BTW? Maybe it would be possible to deploy reinforcements and start a new offensive on Raqqa from there?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:50 pm

    Now Assad denies it, so perhaps this is going to be an upgraded SAF base with 'visits' by the largest RuAF planes and helicopters but no large semi permanent Russian presence.

    President Assad has refuted information about a second possible Russian military base in Syria and said that President Putin has not asked for anything in return for Russian military assistance in fighting against Daesh; the comments came in an interview the Syrian leader granted the Spanish news agency EFE.

    President Assad has given a lengthy interview to the Spanish news agency EFE where he touched upon various topics. Here are the highlights of his conversation.

    He refuted any information on the possible opening of Russia’s second military base in Syria. “No, that’s not true, and two days ago, they denied this allegation. If there is, they would have announced it, and we would have announced it at the same time, so no,” he said.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151211/1031604808/assad-interview-russia-base.html#ixzz3u1mBUoh7

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:31 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    But really, if the Russians commit ground troops, I'm not against. At all. To those who claim Afghanistan 2.0, maybe they should check again. Right now it's Somalia in Syria. If this can become Afghanistan circa 1988, it would be a damn progress.

    It's already exponentially better than the Soviet-Afghanistan theater, for '5' very good reasons:

    1.) ECM assets are way better/flexible and more useful than they were in the Afghan theater, in which now they could do everything from jamming Jihadi comms, jamming spy satellites to prevent tactical and strategic sitrep, to masking movements of your allied counter-insurgency.

    2.) The assets and tactics to counter insurgency orientated asymmetrical warfare is several times better than they were in the 1980's. Everything from vastly improved ERA, PPS, APS, significantly better thermal imagery,to developing and deploying BMPT's alongside your armored columns and better developed BMS with the help of UAV's/micro-UAV's and UCAV's. There's also standoff ATGM's fitted with HE-Frag warheads (Kornet-M) mounted on your Tiger-M trucks, which are capable of destroying jihadist makeshift bunkers/positions from 10 km's away. There's Richarg-AV ECM and DIRCM's which should be useful in defeating Jihadi manpads. And last but not least there's also anti-mine/IED ECM systems developed and deployed that when working in combination with each other they are capable of defeating anti-tank mines/IED's with significant stand off range of 300 meters, covering an area that is 600 meters in diameter:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t3199p870-russian-ground-forces-news-2#125771


    3.) Russia has millions of Shia practitioners at their disposal from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Iran, who live indigenous within the warzones and who are determined because their families, lives and livelihoods are at stake.

    4.) When things are said and done, and if proven successful, Russian companies will likely be the biggest winners in everything from arms, hydrocarbon, and reconstruction contracts/projects, and don't rule out the EU financing it because it'll probably prove to be much cheaper, practical and more popular to rebuild Iraq/Syria than it would be to house, integrate, and financially support the migrants while undergoing financial austerity budget cuts.

    5.) It's much cheaper to operate the Russian armed forces compared to the Soviet armed forces because of the Ruble devaluation, and let's just look at the value of the Soviet Ruble and the Russian Ruble in respect to the U.S. Dollar in their respective time periods:

    Back in the late 1980's the Soviet Ruble had nearly 'double' the value the U.S. Dollar had, keep in mind the 1980's U.S. Dollar is significantly more valuable than the U.S. Dollar circa 2015, then lets contrast that with Russian Rouble circa 2015.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/31/world/soviet-military-budget-128-billion-bombshell.html

    There's also a study conducted by CRI "Electronics", (a Russian based research institute and think thank with a main focus on technology and industrial production) that believes that the Ruble devaluation should increase military supply procurement from '20-60%':

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t2358p255-state-armaments-program-2011-2020#118685


    ....With those '5' points being stated, I still don't agree with a major Russian ground force deployment.  


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    IMHO it is a stupid idea and a sure fire way to lose all support for this war at home. This is Syrian land, let Syrians bleed for it.

    I agree 100%, a much better idea would be to 'turn up the heat' in Yemen and in southern Turkey, and utilize ECM assets to mask the presence and movement of the Houthis and the PKK Kurds respectively. I remember reading '1' month ago a news article from Lebanon, that due to the quagmire the GCC vermin were experiencing in Yemen, Turkey was forced to airlift '1000' ISIS rats to help their fellow vermin in Yemen. Clearly if you want to diminish the threat of Sunni Jihadi's in Syria/Iraq, one way to go about it is to make the southern borders of the GCC/Turkey completely inhospitable for their military forces.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:28 pm

    Russia supplies weapons only to Syrian government army, not to Free Syrian Army — Kremlin

    Earlier, Vladimir Putin said that the operation of Russia’s air group in Syria promotes consolidation of efforts of both government troops and the Free Syrian Army

    MOSCOW, December 11. /TASS/. Russia is supplying weapons to Syria’s government troops but not to the Free Syrian Army, Russian president’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov said on Friday, commenting on President Vladimir Putin’s statement on Russia’s support to the Syrian moderate opposition.

    "No, Russia is supplying weapons to the Syrian Arab Republic, to Syria’s legitimate authorities," he said when asked whether Russia supplied arms to the so-called moderate opposition in Syria.

    Earlier on Friday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a board meeting of the Russian defense ministry that the operation of Russia’s air group in Syria "promotes consolidation of efforts of both government troops and the Free Syrian Army." "Now, a number of its units numbering more than 5,000 and the regular forces are conducting an offensive against terrorists in the provinces of Homs, Hama, Aleppo and Raqqah," he said. "Apart from that, we offer them air support, as we support the Syria army helping them with weapons, munitions and materiel."

    "Dialogue is maintained and contacts are conducted with certain representatives [of the moderate opposition - TASS]," Peskov noted. "Moderate forces who have been found to have no relations with terrorists can be partners in the dialogue and such dialogue is taken into account in the course of the Russian air force operation in Syria."

    Russia’s Aerospace Forces launched pinpoint strikes against the Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nusra targets in Syria on September 30 after the Federation Council upper parliament house unanimously approved President Vladimir Putin’s request for the use of the armed forces against terrorists in Syria. The Russian air group in Syria comprises more than 50 warplanes and helicopters, including Su-34 and Su-24M bombers, Su-25 attack aircraft, Su-30SM fighters and Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters. Air strikes are delivered at military hardware, communications centers, transport vehicles, munitions depots and other terrorist infrastructure facilities. The military operation is conducted at the request of Syrian President Bashar Assad. Russia has repeatedly said it does not plan to take part in any ground operations in Syria.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  George1 on Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:27 am

    4 additional Su-34 deployed in Hmeymim Airbase



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1622099.html


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:59 am

    Mi-35's have arrived in Latakia Question



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Militarov on Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:45 am



    SAA soldier with toys behind him

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:48 am




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  ult on Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:53 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Mi-35's have arrived in Latakia Question



    Yes, it is.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  ult on Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:02 am

    Militarov wrote:
    SAA soldier with toys behind him

    If they'd have SAA crews, I'm worried that they would just leave them behind when they'll get attacked by 5-10 slippers-wearing terrorists with AK. Or will park them in the open field and go smoke some hooka...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Zivo on Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:37 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    But really, if the Russians commit ground troops, I'm not against. At all. To those who claim Afghanistan 2.0, maybe they should check again. Right now it's Somalia in Syria. If this can become Afghanistan circa 1988, it would be a damn progress.

    It's already exponentially better than the Soviet-Afghanistan theater, for '5' very good reasons:

    1.) ECM assets are way better/flexible and more useful than they were in the Afghan theater, in which now they could do everything from jamming Jihadi comms, jamming spy satellites to prevent tactical and strategic sitrep, to masking movements of your allied counter-insurgency.

    2.) The assets and tactics to counter insurgency orientated asymmetrical warfare is several times better than they were in the 1980's. Everything from vastly improved ERA, PPS, APS, significantly better thermal imagery,to developing and deploying BMPT's alongside your armored columns and better developed BMS with the help of UAV's/micro-UAV's and UCAV's. There's also standoff ATGM's fitted with HE-Frag warheads (Kornet-M) mounted on your Tiger-M trucks, which are capable of destroying jihadist makeshift bunkers/positions from 10 km's away. There's Richarg-AV ECM and DIRCM's which should be useful in defeating Jihadi manpads. And last but not least there's also anti-mine/IED ECM systems developed and deployed that when working in combination with each other they are capable of defeating anti-tank mines/IED's with significant stand off range of 300 meters, covering an area that is 600 meters in diameter:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t3199p870-russian-ground-forces-news-2#125771


    3.) Russia has millions of Shia practitioners at their disposal from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Iran, who live indigenous within the warzones and who are determined because their families, lives and livelihoods are at stake.

    4.) When things are said and done, and if proven successful, Russian companies will likely be the biggest winners in everything from arms, hydrocarbon, and reconstruction contracts/projects, and don't rule out the EU financing it because it'll probably prove to be much cheaper, practical and more popular to rebuild Iraq/Syria than it would be to house, integrate, and financially support the migrants while undergoing financial austerity budget cuts.

    5.) It's much cheaper to operate the Russian armed forces compared to the Soviet armed forces because of the Ruble devaluation, and let's just look at the value of the Soviet Ruble and the Russian Ruble in respect to the U.S. Dollar in their respective time periods:

    Back in the late 1980's the Soviet Ruble had nearly 'double' the value the U.S. Dollar had, keep in mind the 1980's U.S. Dollar is significantly more valuable than the U.S. Dollar circa 2015, then lets contrast that with Russian Rouble circa 2015.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/31/world/soviet-military-budget-128-billion-bombshell.html

    There's also a study conducted by CRI "Electronics", (a Russian based research institute and think thank with a main focus on technology and industrial production) that believes that the Ruble devaluation should increase military supply procurement from '20-60%':

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t2358p255-state-armaments-program-2011-2020#118685


    ....With those '5' points being stated, I still don't agree with a major Russian ground force deployment.  


    PapaDragon wrote:
    IMHO it is a stupid idea and a sure fire way to lose all support for this war at home. This is Syrian land, let Syrians bleed for it.

    I agree 100%, a much better idea would be to 'turn up the heat' in Yemen and in southern Turkey, and utilize ECM assets to mask the presence and movement of the Houthis and the PKK Kurds respectively. I remember reading '1' month ago a news article from Lebanon, that due to the quagmire the GCC vermin were experiencing in Yemen, Turkey was forced to airlift '1000' ISIS rats to help their fellow vermin in Yemen. Clearly if you want to diminish the threat of Sunni Jihadi's in Syria/Iraq, one way to go about it is to make the southern borders of the GCC/Turkey completely inhospitable for their military forces.

    All of those factors aside, I believe the biggest flaw in calling Syria a "New Afghanistan" is that Syria lacks extreme topography. What few mountains there are, are more like hills, and are already controlled by the SAA forces. The SAA themselves have actually been highly effective in this terrain.

    In Afghanistan, the terrain simply favors guerrilla forces. Mechanized forces have no choice but to operate on predictable routes, or face the Taliban infantry in 1 to 1 exchanges on foot. This provides an environment were mining routes, and setting ambushes can inflict serious and consistent loses on the superior force. Villages are almost impossible to cordon, and even if you secured them, the Taliban who occupied the village simply waits in the nearby mountains for the troops to move on. The rugged terrain is just too challenging of an obstacle to control.

    In Syria, it's the opposite situation. It's like an archipelago of villages and small, unitary hills in a sea of emptiness. The infantry laden guerrillas, not the mechanized army, is forced to operate from predicable points that can be easily cordoned. The vast emptiness becomes a killing field instead of a safe heaven. The likelihood of Russia getting "bogged down" in this sterile environment is next to nil, there's no reason too believe otherwise.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:46 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    But really, if the Russians commit ground troops, I'm not against. At all. To those who claim Afghanistan 2.0, maybe they should check again. Right now it's Somalia in Syria. If this can become Afghanistan circa 1988, it would be a damn progress.

    It's already exponentially better than the Soviet-Afghanistan theater, for '5' very good reasons:

    1.) ECM assets are way better/flexible and more useful than they were in the Afghan theater, in which now they could do everything from jamming Jihadi comms, jamming spy satellites to prevent tactical and strategic sitrep, to masking movements of your allied counter-insurgency.

    2.) The assets and tactics to counter insurgency orientated asymmetrical warfare is several times better than they were in the 1980's. Everything from vastly improved ERA, PPS, APS, significantly better thermal imagery,to developing and deploying BMPT's alongside your armored columns and better developed BMS with the help of UAV's/micro-UAV's and UCAV's. There's also standoff ATGM's fitted with HE-Frag warheads (Kornet-M) mounted on your Tiger-M trucks, which are capable of destroying jihadist makeshift bunkers/positions from 10 km's away. There's Richarg-AV ECM and DIRCM's which should be useful in defeating Jihadi manpads. And last but not least there's also anti-mine/IED ECM systems developed and deployed that when working in combination with each other they are capable of defeating anti-tank mines/IED's with significant stand off range of 300 meters, covering an area that is 600 meters in diameter:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t3199p870-russian-ground-forces-news-2#125771


    3.) Russia has millions of Shia practitioners at their disposal from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Iran, who live indigenous within the warzones and who are determined because their families, lives and livelihoods are at stake.

    4.) When things are said and done, and if proven successful, Russian companies will likely be the biggest winners in everything from arms, hydrocarbon, and reconstruction contracts/projects, and don't rule out the EU financing it because it'll probably prove to be much cheaper, practical and more popular to rebuild Iraq/Syria than it would be to house, integrate, and financially support the migrants while undergoing financial austerity budget cuts.

    5.) It's much cheaper to operate the Russian armed forces compared to the Soviet armed forces because of the Ruble devaluation, and let's just look at the value of the Soviet Ruble and the Russian Ruble in respect to the U.S. Dollar in their respective time periods:

    Back in the late 1980's the Soviet Ruble had nearly 'double' the value the U.S. Dollar had, keep in mind the 1980's U.S. Dollar is significantly more valuable than the U.S. Dollar circa 2015, then lets contrast that with Russian Rouble circa 2015.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/31/world/soviet-military-budget-128-billion-bombshell.html

    There's also a study conducted by CRI "Electronics", (a Russian based research institute and think thank with a main focus on technology and industrial production) that believes that the Ruble devaluation should increase military supply procurement from '20-60%':

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t2358p255-state-armaments-program-2011-2020#118685


    ....With those '5' points being stated, I still don't agree with a major Russian ground force deployment.  




    PapaDragon wrote:
    IMHO it is a stupid idea and a sure fire way to lose all support for this war at home. This is Syrian land, let Syrians bleed for it.

    I agree 100%, a much better idea would be to 'turn up the heat' in Yemen and in southern Turkey, and utilize ECM assets to mask the presence and movement of the Houthis and the PKK Kurds respectively. I remember reading '1' month ago a news article from Lebanon, that due to the quagmire the GCC vermin were experiencing in Yemen, Turkey was forced to airlift '1000' ISIS rats to help their fellow vermin in Yemen. Clearly if you want to diminish the threat of Sunni Jihadi's in Syria/Iraq, one way to go about it is to make the southern borders of the GCC/Turkey completely inhospitable for their military forces.


    Actually there's only one big reason to commit troops (and they're there, as you can see a whole T90A company in what looks Aleppo area). There's real people backing the Russians this time, people who want to survive, who've been fighting almost 5 years against those "moderates".

    On a purely operational level, the Russians need to make examples. There needs to be a time-out on the BS JAN/ISIS pulls on the SAA. A single battalion in a well localized area can do wonders. Especially since the Russians don't care about ROE, nor are exactly keen on sparing terrorists for ecology reasons...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:17 am

    ult wrote:

    Yes, it is.


    Well about time....do we know how many?

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:30 am

    Unfortunatley not Mi-35M"3" with vitebsk. Would be great opportunity to test it in combat and market Mi-35M as it is to further dominate helicopter market.

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:24 pm

    Just how quickly could Russia seal of Syrian borders with a taskforce of its own? Time would be critical, as I imagine the Empire across the way would go full-loco 100% proxy war and pour as many weapons as possible through Sultan-stan and Saudi land, as well as Golan Heights and Jordan, PR be damned. Are we talking a month-two months with a sizable taskforce? Or longer? The larger the fielded force obviously the longer it takes to deploy. Borders locked = no Afghan 2.0 and given the geography as has been mentioned a couple of times already, it's far more achievable.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:29 pm

    Is that one guy Zhirnovksy?

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:34 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Is that one guy Zhirnovksy?

    Is this supposed to be some positive propaganda? All I see are bynch of dead guys, two alive ones and one of them still has good chances of being fu*ked... Rolling Eyes

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:39 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:Just how quickly could Russia seal of Syrian borders with a taskforce of its own? Time would be critical, as I imagine the Empire across the way would go full-loco 100% proxy war and pour as many weapons as possible through Sultan-stan and Saudi land, as well as Golan Heights and Jordan, PR be damned. Are we talking a month-two months with a sizable taskforce? Or longer? The larger the fielded force obviously the longer it takes to deploy. Borders locked = no Afghan 2.0 and given the geography as has been mentioned a couple of times already, it's far more achievable.

    Russian ground ops in Syria = Total and complete victory for USA.

    In current climate it could possibly lead to the end of Russia as a country. That place improved but is still very flimsy.

    Why would Russia do one thing that USA wants Russia to do?

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:25 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:Just how quickly could Russia seal of Syrian borders with a taskforce of its own? Time would be critical, as I imagine the Empire across the way would go full-loco 100% proxy war and pour as many weapons as possible through Sultan-stan and Saudi land, as well as Golan Heights and Jordan, PR be damned. Are we talking a month-two months with a sizable taskforce? Or longer? The larger the fielded force obviously the longer it takes to deploy. Borders locked = no Afghan 2.0 and given the geography as has been mentioned a couple of times already, it's far more achievable.

    Russian ground ops in Syria = Total and complete victory for USA.

    In current climate it could possibly lead to the end of Russia as a country. That place improved but is still very flimsy.

    Why would Russia do one thing that USA wants Russia to do?

    You are reading too much propaganda.. AFganistan did not crashed the soviet Union.
    Russian political elite "Reforms" did it. The soviets left Afganistan orderly and the Afgans
    were wiped big time by Soviets. It took 3 years the afgans with american help to take control of Afganistan after soviets left and stopped supplying weapons to them.  In the worse case Syria is lost ,it will be a major embarrassment and failure for Russia ,but Russia will no cease to exist
    and their nuclear weapons will not vanish.. will continue.  The only one that could cease to be a nation is Turkey if continue its hostilities against Russia ,it will start a major war and putin is already giving hints of the use of nukes against Turkey.. if forced to do it.

    Because Erdogan is in total control of US. Americans are the only thing that can help ERdogan
    avoid Jail for its support to ISIS and avoid a coup against Him.. the only thing that holds him in power. So Turkey is 100% under control of US and Erdogan could do really stupid things against Russia.. effectively for Erdogan ,the criminal he is.. that do not care about its nation but only to stay in power and avoid jail... it will be better War with RUssia than be abandoned by Americans and face jail..  That said , i will be surprised if Turkey is not pushed into a full scale war with Russia. Because Erdopig the egomaniac will prefer to see Turkey destroyed than him in jail.

    All said Russia will not cease to exist for a failure in Syria or IRAQ. the only way Russia can cease to exist is that Russian is invaded by NATO ,which is not going to happen..Russia on its own land is unbeatable, or that Russia economy totally collapse (as already it did in the 90s as survived) and that many republics declare independence. with the exception of Chechenia.. very unlikely to happen. No politician will support an invasion to Russia with dozen of thousand nukes . China lived for 30 years poor and did not collapse.. Syria survived for 5 years alone without any economy in an NATO terrorist invasion and did not disbanded. Nations do not cease to exist because economy or war if most people united. in short you are wrong.. its takes a lot more than failing to help a foreign country in war ,to collapse Russia.  The possibilities of US and Europe collapsing first are way bigger than RUssia, specially with the muslin invasion. and if we are to believe what American politicians and economist say with RUssia and CHINA and India no longer using dollars. US economy have its days counted ,and that nation contrary to Russia is not united. Half of the country is really angry with their government policies in middle east and the police state and unemployment and poverty. America is way more probable to collapse and disband today than any other nation in the world.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:41 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Russian ground ops in Syria = Total and complete victory for USA.

    In current climate it could possibly lead to the end of Russia as a country. That place improved but is still very flimsy.

    Why would Russia do one thing that USA wants Russia to do?

    Last time I remember there were Russian ground troops in Abkhazia, S. Ossetia, Transdnistria and Tajikistan.
    And none of that happened. Russian boots on the ground in Syria (e.g. Latakia, Hama or Homs) would be quite similar.

    Afghanistan was a totally different case where the locals simply did not like Soviets.

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    Post  ult on Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:42 pm



    https://twitter.com/Stratfor/status/675676585144541185

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    Post  ult on Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:46 pm

    Russia Boosts Its Air Assets in Syria



    Satellite imagery obtained through our partners at AllSource Analysis show the continued hectic Russian presence at Bassel al Assad air base. An Su-24 can be seen on the runway ready for take off, while what appears to be an Il-20 Coot spy plane is taxiing around the air base. In addition to the Su-25, Su-24, Su-30 and Su-34 aircraft previously deployed to Bassel al Assad, we see more Su-34 aircraft that have recently arrived as reinforcements from Russia. The Su-34 is a more capable strike aircraft than the Su-24, the type that the Turkish air force recently shot down. The Su-34, with a more expansive air-to-air capability, is therefore better able to defend itself relative to the Su-24.

    Additional capable air superiority fighters apart from the four Su-30s already deployed to the air base are not visible, but that does not exclude the possibility of their presence. Indeed, the Russians have bolstered their air defense capabilities, as can be seen with the deployment of the S-400 surface-to-air missile system to the air base.








    As is apparent from the recent images of the Shayrat air base, there has been construction work to improve that airfield as well. Two Su-22 squadrons and one MiG-23 squadron were previously based at Shayrat, but most of their aircraft have long since been decommissioned alongside previous types operated from the base. Some of these aircraft can be seen discarded or decommissioned across Shayrat, including five aircraft on the southwest corner of the air base. With the new construction, a number of helicopters can also be seen deployed at the base. These helicopters appear operational and recently deployed to Shayrat, but it is difficult to assess whether they are Russian or Syrian.


    It is clear that the Shayrat air base is gaining importance for the Syrian government and its allies, as recent construction and deployments attest. With increased operations taking place in the central-eastern Homs region, including defensive efforts aimed at preventing the Islamic State from severing the critical M5 highway running from Homs to Damascus, the refurbishment of the airfield and its use makes operational sense. As can be seen, the Russians have yet to deploy fixed-wing warplanes to the air base as recent rumors have suggested, though such an eventuality cannot be excluded.

    https://www.stratfor.com/sample/analysis/russia-boosts-its-air-assets-syria

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:46 pm

    ult wrote:https://twitter.com/Stratfor/status/675676585144541185

    Looks like Su-30 can use the 2nd runway/taxiway, exclusively if need arises.
    That's a very good measure which will allow them to take off irrespectively of traffic on the main runway, used by strike fighers/bombers.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Dima on Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:24 pm

    ult wrote:
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    SAA soldier with toys behind him

    If they'd have SAA crews, I'm worried that they would just leave them behind when they'll get attacked by 5-10 slippers-wearing terrorists with AK. Or will park them in the open field and go smoke some hooka...
    Your worries are unfounded... the living fact of that is, we are still discussing the counter-terrorists operations carried out by SAA, and now, with Russian backing.

    SAA has shown itself to be a very professional force which doesn't mean nothing can go wrong. Its a war, a high intensity counter-terrorists ops, and there are n number of things that can possibly go wrong. The tankmen have been holding their ground like any other pros out there, supporting their infantry in breaking through and in the process had to sacrifice many men. Even after having so many shortcomings, I personally have more respect for these Syrian men in uniform, considering the lonely bloody path they covered for nearly half a decade! Even the mightiest of the European army would have collapsed if they were fighting under the same circumstances.

    The urban combat employing MBTs that we saw/see in this Syrian conflict only compares with conflict in Chechnya, nothing else even comes close.
    All we can do is wish them GOOD LUCK and safe outing.

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