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    Russian military bases and weapons deployed in Syrian war

    Post  Backinblack on Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:46 am

    Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Rai reported about Russia’s preparations to deploy the second military base in Syria. Group of Russian Airspace Force as well as sustaining and screening units will be deployed on the Shairat airbase 35 km south-eastwards Homs. Amount of Russian aircraft based in Syria may then rise up to 100.

    http://mil.today/2015/Syria40/

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    Syrian Top-5: First-Ever-Used Russian Weapons

    Post  Backinblack on Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:18 am

    Mil.Today has made up a list of the most powerful and up-to-date Russian weapons not used anywhere before the Syrian conflict. Among them is a missile that costs as much as several luxury apartments in Moscow, GLONASS-guided bombs and other feathers in the Russian army’s cap.

    http://mil.today/2015/Syria42/

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:19 pm

    ult wrote:Part of american rocket found at the position where SAA troops were bombed by an aircraft.



    http://lifenews.ru/news/174324

    That looks like a Chinese 100mm mortar fuse. Notice the timer.

    I would like to see more about it as it isn't exactly the same fuse.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Solncepek on Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:20 pm

    War Is On The Horizon: Is It Too Late To Stop It? — Paul Craig Roberts

    One lesson from military history is that once mobilization for war begins, it takes on a momentum of its own and is uncontrollable.

    This might be what is occuring unrecognized before our eyes.

    In his September 28 speech at the 70th Anniversity of the United Nations, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Russia can no longer tolerate the state of affairs in the world. Two days later at the invitation of the Syrian government Russia began war against ISIS.

    Russia was quickly successful in destroying ISIS arms depots and helping the Syrian army to roll back ISIS gains. Russia also destroyed thousands of oil tankers, the contents of which were financing ISIS by transporting stolen Syrian oil to Turkey where it is sold to the family of the current gangster who rules Turkey.

    Washington was caught off guard by Russia’s decisiveness. Fearful that the quick success of such decisive action by Russia would discourage Washington’s NATO vassals from continuing to support Washington’s war against Assad and Washington’s use of its puppet government in Kiev to pressure Russia, Washington arranged for Turkey to shoot down a Russian fighter-bomber despite the agreement between Russia and NATO that there would be no air-to-air encounters in Russia’s area of air operation in Syria.

    Although denying all responsibility, Washington used Russia’s low key response to the attack, for which Turkey did not apologize, to reassure Europe that Russia is a paper tiger. The Western presstitutes trumpeted: “Russia A Paper Tiger.” http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-shoots-down-a-paper-tiger-1448406008

    The Russian government’s low key response to the provocation was used by Washington to reassure Europe that there is no risk in continuing to pressure Russia in the Middle East, Ukraine, Georgia, Montenegro, and elsewhere. Washington’s attack on Assad’s military is being used to reinforce the belief that is being inculcated in European governments that Russia’s responsible behavior to avoid war is a sign of fear and weakness.

    It is unclear to what extent the Russian and Chinese governments understand that their independent policies, reaffirmed by the Russian and Chinese presidents On September 28, are regarded by Washington as “existential threats” to US hegemony.

    The basis of US foreign policy is the commitment to prevent the rise of powers capable of constraining Washington’s unilateral action. The ability of Russia and China to do this makes them both a target.

    Washington is not opposed to terrorism. Washington has been purposely creating terrorism for many years. Terrorism is a weapon that Washington intends to use to destabilize Russia and China by exporting it to the Muslim populations in Russia and China.

    Washington is using Syria, as it used Ukraine, to demonstrate Russia’s impotence to Europe— and to China, as an impotent Russia is less attractive to China as an ally.

    For Russia, responsible response to provocation has become a liability, because it encourages more provocation.

    In other words, Washington and the gullibility of its European vassals have put humanity in a very dangerous situation, as the only choices left to Russia and China are to accept American vassalage or to prepare for war.

    Putin must be respected for putting more value on human life than do Washington and its European vassals and avoiding military responses to provocations. However, Russia must do something to make the NATO countries aware that there are serious costs of their accommodation of Washington’s aggression against Russia. For example, the Russian government could decide that it makes no sense to sell energy to European countries that are in a de facto state of war against Russia. With winter upon us, the Russian government could announce that Russia does not sell energy to NATO member countries. Russia would lose the money, but that is cheaper than losing one’s sovereignty or a war.

    To end the conflict in Ukraine, or to escalate it to a level beyond Europe’s willingness to participate, Russia could accept the requests of the breakaway provinces to be reunited with Russia. For Kiev to continue the conflict, Ukraine would have to attack Russia herself.

    The Russian government has relied on responsible, non-provocative responses. Russia has taken the diplomatic approach, relying on European governments coming to their senses, realizing that their national interests diverge from Washington’s, and ceasing to enable Washington’s hegemonic policy. Russia’s policy has failed. To repeat, Russia’s low key, responsible responses have been used by Washington to paint Russia as a paper tiger that no one needs to fear.

    We are left with the paradox that Russia’s determination to avoid war is leading directly to war.

    Whether or not the Russian media, Russian people, and the entirety of the Russian government understand this, it must be obvious to the Russian military. All that Russian military leaders need to do is to look at the composition of the forces sent by NATO to “combat ISIS.” As George Abert notes, the American, French, and British aircraft that have been deployed are jet fighters whose purpose is air-to-air combat, not ground attack. The jet fighters are not deployed to attack ISIS on the ground, but to threaten the Russian fighter-bombers that are attacking ISIS ground targets.

    There is no doubt that Washington is driving the world toward Armageddon, and Europe is the enabler. Washington’s bought-and-paid-for-puppets in Germany, France, and UK are either stupid, unconcerned, or powerless to escape from Washington’s grip. Unless Russia can wake up Europe, war is inevitable.

    Have the totally evil, dumbshit neocon warmongers who control the US government taught Putin that war is inevitable? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QxWYIAtCMU#action=share

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:19 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    ult wrote:Part of american rocket found at the position where SAA troops were bombed by an aircraft.



    http://lifenews.ru/news/174324

    That looks like a Chinese 100mm mortar fuse. Notice the timer.

    I would like to see more about it as it isn't exactly the same fuse.


    One thing is sure, its not part of missile or rocket. Some kind of an artillery fuse, mortar most likely.

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    Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:34 pm

    Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:59 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.
    ...And there's your perpetrator.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Project Canada on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:04 pm

    Turkish PM accuses Russia of 'ethnic cleansing' in Syria

    Maybe Turkey can teach Russia a thing or two about the proper way of Ethnic cleansing (Armenian Genocide)


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:23 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.
    ...And there's your perpetrator.

    It still is a Mortar round. Improbable to have been used for any aerial bomb. This might be from ISIS shelling. not the actual bombing. After looking at the footage, there' actually a lot of well aimed damage, at least 4/5 bmp's and their crews. I see 4 small craters that have pepperd the BMP's and troops. Stil very weird.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:26 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.
    ...And there's your perpetrator.

    It still is a Mortar round. Improbable to have been used for any aerial bomb. This might be from ISIS shelling. not the actual bombing. After looking at the footage, there' actually a lot of well aimed damage, at least 4/5 bmp's and their crews. I see 4 small craters that have pepperd the BMP's and troops. Stil very weird.

    Well, it could have been mortar fuse used on some improvised missile.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:34 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.
    ...And there's your perpetrator.

    It still is a Mortar round. Improbable to have been used for any aerial bomb. This might be from ISIS shelling. not the actual bombing. After looking at the footage, there' actually a lot of well aimed damage, at least 4/5 bmp's and their crews. I see 4 small craters that have pepperd the BMP's and troops. Stil very weird.

    Well, it could have been mortar fuse used on some improvised missile.

    That too, but that would mean the airstrike never happened. A very elaborate ploy from ISIS to stir things up, firing missiles on the base, while planes were flying overhead...that would be something.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:47 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.
    ...And there's your perpetrator.

    It still is a Mortar round. Improbable to have been used for any aerial bomb. This might be from ISIS shelling. not the actual bombing. After looking at the footage, there' actually a lot of well aimed damage, at least 4/5 bmp's and their crews. I see 4 small craters that have pepperd the BMP's and troops. Stil very weird.

    Well, it could have been mortar fuse used on some improvised missile.

    That too, but that would mean the airstrike never happened. A very elaborate ploy from ISIS to stir things up, firing missiles on the base, while planes were flying overhead...that would be something.

    Divide et impera.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:35 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.
    ...And there's your perpetrator.

    It still is a Mortar round. Improbable to have been used for any aerial bomb. This might be from ISIS shelling. not the actual bombing. After looking at the footage, there' actually a lot of well aimed damage, at least 4/5 bmp's and their crews. I see 4 small craters that have pepperd the BMP's and troops. Stil very weird.
    Even more so. Hmm, I wonder how a round manufactured in China that is sold to numerous foreign clients around the world ended up in terrorist hands that are in deep with the same people that supported bin Laden all those years ago? Surely, it must be a coincidence that these same people live in a country that happens to be one of the clients for China's mortar rounds.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  ult on Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:53 pm

    Found a new Su-34 in Hmeymim.



    Comparison.



    Video source, December 9, TVC channel. http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/82469

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:15 pm

    Turkish Premier Davutoglu Says Russian Airstrikes in Syria Strengthen Islamic State

    By DION NISSENBAUM
    Updated Dec. 9, 2015 2:47 p.m. ET
    ISTANBUL—Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu on Wednesday accused Russia of carrying out a campaign of ethnic cleansing against the Turkmen minority in Syria,

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkish-prime-minister-davutoglu-says-russian-airstrikes-against-rebels-strengthen-islamic-state-1449674122

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:17 pm

    Usually when culprits are exposed, they tend to bark a lot making up wild claims.  People who are fooled by his statements, especially all the mounting evidence of Turkeys support for terrorism, should be shot.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

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    Post  par far on Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:25 pm

    Syria: Ultimate Pipelineistan War
    By Pepe Escobar


    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43648.htm


    A very good article and a must read.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:44 pm

    ult wrote:
    Are those air brakes on the ends of the Su-25 wings?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:47 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    ult wrote:
    Are those air brakes on the ends of the Su-25 wings?

    Yeah, they are in fairings at the tip of each wing.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:30 pm



    Statistics and graph on RuAF airstrikes.

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:47 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    Statistics and graph on RuAF airstrikes.

    Translation. Neutral

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  ult on Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:00 pm

    I thought when people will see the new planes at Hmeymim airbase there would be some kind of reaction. But there's nothing. Hm... I guess people got used to it.

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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:05 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Statistics and graph on RuAF airstrikes.

    Translation. Neutral  

    1. Blue Su-24M
    2. Red Kalibr Cruise Missiles
    3. Purple obviously Tu-22M
    4. Cruise Missiles (Krylatie Raketa Vosdushnogo Basiravonae)
    5. Su-34
    6. Orange Objects (Targets)

    Meaning targets got plenty while attacks increased but did not fill the spectrum, well with each day where moderaes disappear and become unmoderates you get more targets than strikes you can carry out. Just see the increase of targets after Erdogan become Tie-eater 2.
    24.11.15 and the targets rose back to high peak. Erdogan just made the turkmens legitemate targets that is all.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #7

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:30 pm


    If VKS were private company their Hmeim branch would deserve a raise and a promotion, at least judging by that chart... Cool

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