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    A–235 Nudol ASAT and ABM system

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    Re: A–235 Nudol ASAT and ABM system

    Post  jhelb on Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:26 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:
    http://www.arms-expo.ru/articles/124/77265/

    A brief ,mostly historical, article on the first ASAT systems (with the first working sample and successfull space intercept  by part of Полет-1 by ЦНИИ Комета in the 1968.)

    I think it makes far more sense for Russia to have some spaceship or unmanned combat aerial vehicle in space that is armed with anti sat missiles. In that way Russia can target both enemy ICBMs and enemy satellites.

    I suspect the US is trying to do something similar with the X-37 spacecraft.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:18 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Mindstorm wrote:
    http://www.arms-expo.ru/articles/124/77265/

    A brief ,mostly historical, article on the first ASAT systems (with the first working sample and successfull space intercept  by part of Полет-1 by ЦНИИ Комета in the 1968.)

    I think it makes far more sense for Russia to have some spaceship or unmanned combat aerial vehicle in space that is armed with anti sat missiles. In that way Russia can target both enemy ICBMs and enemy satellites.

    I suspect the US is trying to do something similar with the X-37 spacecraft.

    Stuff like that is still banned according to Outer Space Treaty.
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    Re: A–235 Nudol ASAT and ABM system

    Post  max steel on Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:38 am

    X-37 is used to launch satellites just like Buran did and nope they are not meant for delivering nukes Russia made a buran just to test whether nukes can be delivered via space and they got their answers.

    US is not interested in keeping space weapons free as earlier both Russia and China suggested bit US refused the proposal.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:19 am

    Of course the X-37 will deliver nukes...

    The Buran and the Space Shuttle could both deliver nuclear weapons... it would just be more efficient to put those nukes on an ICBM most of the time.

    The US wants space weaponised... but with US controlled weapons only...


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    Post  jhelb on Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:21 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Stuff like that is still banned according to Outer Space Treaty.

    But the US designed the X 37 despite being a signatory to OST. Similarly THAAD-ER is actually banned under the treaty. So if the US can carry out such work despite bans so should Russia.
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    Post  max steel on Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:06 pm

    Funny Russia flew its Unmanned OTV in 1980's whereas US flew its X-37 OTV in 2010.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:30 pm

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-conducts-fifth-test-new-anti-satellite-missile/

    December 16th, Russia tested successfully Nudol abm system.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:21 am

    miketheterrible wrote:http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-conducts-fifth-test-new-anti-satellite-missile/

    December 16th, Russia tested successfully Nudol abm system.

    Freebeacon??.... Izvestia is more reliable.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:24 am

    Others have reported it. Dunno what you hate about Free Beacon. So far has been pretty good at reporting. They also name the official too. Pentagon spokeswoman Lt. Col. Michelle Baldanza. So it isn't like we have "unnamed sources".
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 22, 2016 5:25 pm

    The same missile will be part of the A-225 and S-500 meaning Russian national missile defense will have its fixed and mobile variant.
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    Re: A–235 Nudol ASAT and ABM system

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:27 pm

    Viktor wrote:The same missile will be part of the A-225 and S-500 meaning Russian national missile defense will have its fixed and mobile variant.

    A-225/Nudol isn't fixed, it's mobile.
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    Re: A–235 Nudol ASAT and ABM system

    Post  Benya on Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:44 pm

    I'm not sure if this has been posted here:

    Render image of the A-235 "Nudol" system's TEL from Milkavkaz.net



    Note that this is fictional, and the real steel system may vary in look.

    Source: Arrow http://www.milkavkaz.net/2016/08/kakovo-sostoyanie-protivoraketnoj-oborony-vks-rf.html
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    Re: A–235 Nudol ASAT and ABM system

    Post  Viktor on Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:00 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Viktor wrote:The same missile will be part of the A-225 and S-500 meaning Russian national missile defense will have its fixed and mobile variant.

    A-225/Nudol isn't fixed, it's mobile.

    It could be that they all use the same missile.
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    Re: A–235 Nudol ASAT and ABM system

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:31 pm

    All the previous systems for the Moscow ABM system were silo launched.

    They could be carried around in big tubes on trucks but were loaded into silos for launch as they are fixed systems designed to defend fixed structures... in this case Moscow.

    The S-500 is a mobile system likely intended to operate with S-400 units, though it will likely not move around in operation... unless they mount one on a train with the new train based ICBMs.

    I would expect the Nudel to be truck mounted but launched from a silo, so I would not call it a mobile system... could be wrong, but most of the infrastructure the Nudol operates with is the Moscow ABM system and is fixed so it wont be all that mobile even if truck based.

    The S-500 will likely be fully mobile like an S-400 battery is fully mobile.

    In fact an S-400 battery would likely benefit from improved sensors from the S-500 battery and vice versa.

    The Nudel evolved from the Moscow ABM system while the s-500 is a from scratch system likely based on the S-300 or S-300V and using S-400 technology and is probably a multi stage missile. I doubt there is much similarity between Nudel and S-500. They might look similar, but it is like the T-80 and T-90 which evolved from the T-64 and T-72 respectively... they might look similar but they don't have interchangable parts...


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    Re: A–235 Nudol ASAT and ABM system

    Post  Austin on Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:49 am

    Interesting article

    As Russian "discreetly" deployed missile defense

    http://politrussia.com/vooruzhennye-sily/kak-rossiya-laquo-nezametno-raquo-426/

    It may look Russian missile defense

    http://politrussia.com/vooruzhennye-sily/kak-mozhet-vyglyadet-228/

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