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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Zivo on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:00 am

    Erdogan is saying he doesn't want escalation with russia. Laughing

    What a sniveling little coward.




    Does anyone have a map showing the S-400's coverage out of latakia?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:07 am

    Zivo wrote:Erdogan is saying he doesn't want escalation with russia. Laughing

    What a sniveling little coward.




    Does anyone have a map showing the S-400's coverage out of latakia?
    Doubt one has even been made yet. The S-400 coverage will vary significantly depending on the type of missiles used.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:10 am

    i imagine if it's deployed at latakia


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Zivo on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:12 am

    Shoigu confirmed, the second pilot is back at their base. cheers

    “The [rescue] operation is successfully over. The pilot has been delivered to our base. Safe and sound,” Shoigu said during a meeting of the Defense Committee, adding that the operation was performed by Russian and Syrian special forces.

    https://www.rt.com/news/323377-russian-pilot-saved-syria/


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:13 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:i imagine if it's deployed at latakia


    ^^^ ΝΙΚΕ Hercules Laughing
    Turkey is toast when it comes to SAMs


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:13 am

    Murderous Turks once again showed their cowardice...This time by hiding behind NATO's umbrella.

    This ambush was a provocation. Russia should keep cool heads and not fall into their game.
    At a time when radical terrorists and moderate terrorists (and everything else in between) are being pulverized systematically by the VKS, Turkey is loosing the big game and thus resorting to dirty play.
    Russia should keep on doing what it is doing already. Maybe step it up a bit. That is all that is needed.
    No need to shoot down Turkish fighters or anything like that. The time for doing that will come later.



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:21 am

    nice.. lol

    It seem social media is supporting Russia big time and demanding
    Turkey to be expelled from NATO and Sanctions.. Cool


    This is what Russia needs.. and the more the better.. SUPPORT.
    Public support and world wide movement protesting US and Turkey fake war
    against ISIS.. and in support of Russia.. Public Opinion is really really really important.
    Is through public opinion and public support that presidents win elections or major
    religions are created and dictators removed from Power.. like Morsi in Egypt..
    If the worlds get massive public support to Russia ,rallies of millions it will be the end
    of Erdogan and the war in Syria.. and US will have no other choice than to capitulate
    and give up with Syria. meanwhile some reports that Russia Military command will visit soon
    CHINA.. Smile Hopefully it will be to get a major support of them. Can anyone imagine that?
    Russia and CHina army with all their cool weapons in Syria beating ISIS and Alqaeda? Very Happy
    that will be a world major event ,will break ratings and people cheer and NATO will be embarrassed. No Nation in the world no alliance will dare to fight Russia and China alliance
    in Syria.. The last time it happened something like that with a small scale Russia support
    was Korea war.. that NATO was kicked from North Korea.. Very Happy

    I dont think erdogan will show a lot of arrogance with Russia and China together and Nato
    saying no thanks.. and Turkey alone. Cool


    https://twitter.com/hashtag/IStandWithRussia?src=hash

    #IStandWithRussia


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:23 am

    Apparently this area of Salma and nearby is currently being severely bombed by Russians.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Zivo on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:24 am

    Given that Russia has evidence that Erdogan is conspiring with ISIS oil producers, couldn't Russia actually haul Erdogan's ass to the Hague?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  arpakola on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:35 am



    there are positive confirmations that the Pilot was executed not by the rebels but by a team of Gray Wolfes (turkish paramilitary fascist unit) that entered a day ago in the area from Turkey...!!!
    http://infognomonpolitics.blogspot.gr/2015/11/blog-post_819.html#more


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Acheron on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:45 am

    TheArmenian wrote:Murderous Turks once again showed their cowardice...This time by hiding behind NATO's umbrella.

    This ambush was a provocation. Russia should keep cool heads and not fall into their game.
    At a time when radical terrorists and moderate terrorists (and everything else in between) are being pulverized systematically by the VKS, Turkey is loosing the big game and thus resorting to dirty play.
    Russia should keep on doing what it is doing already. Maybe step it up a bit. That is all that is needed.
    No need to shoot down Turkish fighters or anything like that. The time for doing that will come later.

    Well said.... The first order of business is to increase the protection of Russian military assets via more SAMs/fighters/etc and more robust RoE. The second order of business is to step up efforts in Syria so that Turks will see all their expensive investments and their proxies in Syria burn. Targeted economic actions could be used as well, as icing on the cake.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:47 am

    Good one


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Acheron on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:54 am

    Zivo wrote:Given that Russia has evidence that Erdogan is conspiring with ISIS oil producers, couldn't Russia actually haul Erdogan's ass to the Hague?

    It could possibly be very difficult to find a direct trail of evidence back to Erdogan, he is not that stupid. However, I am sure thet if Russian intelligence conduct their investigation with due diligence, they could easily unearth (if they have not already done so yet) a trail to some Turkish official, military/intelligence officer or some relative of turkish politicians. What do people think about the allegation that Erdogan son's company is involved in the illicit oil trade with IS? It would be nice if Russia called a UN security council meeting and then just dumped a load of evidence of ties b/w Turks and IS on all present as well as media representatives...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Rodinazombie on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:01 am

    I imagine erdogan if he isnt too arrogant will be trying to burn those ties to him or his cronies from now on as he should now know that the vultures are circling above, waiting for him. More than ever he has made himself a target and a liability.

    Do we have any more news regarding bombing missions yesterday? Was it all put on hold during the incident? Have the strategic bombers ceased activity?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:06 am

    Somebody is going to pay! Twisted Evil Tweeted by the MoD

    @mod_russia: #КоллегияМО #Шойгу Этой ночью отработан план действий в связи с гибелью Су-24М. Мы не будем оставлять без внимания подобные инциденты

    Link: https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/669456078086782976

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  arpakola on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:19 am


    lol1 welcome
    ===================


    also
    http://izvestia.ru/news/597065

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:06 pm

    Personally I think Putin will not attack Turkey... killing Turks will not bring the Russians back to life.

    What he will do is add to the air defences and fighter cover for all bombers, so it cannot happen again without immediate cost to the Turkish military.

    I also think he will likely stop a few economic programmes with turkey and direct Russian money/trade elsewhere in the region as a punishment for bad faith.

    Bombing turkey would do no good even if it was successful.

    And for the comments about air to air weapons... this Su-24 had upgraded attack capability... they clearly did not intend it to be used against enemy fighters on its own.

    The AMRAAM missile is not the super weapon some in the west like to pretend it is, though against an unaware enemy it gets results sometimes.

    I doubt the F-16 used anything but an AMRAAM because I doubt they wanted to get too close to the target in case it turned on them.

    I rather suspect Flankers will be equipped with R-77-1s which have been in production for the last three years... the fact that it has not been widely photographed on Russian fighters is a stupid argument... show me a photo of an in service Russian fighter with live AAMs on wing pylons and I will point out the black stripes indicating dummy rounds for practise.

    The R-73 is still a benchmark weapon comparable to the latest available today in performance if not technology.

    BTW posting images without warnings will be a problem and also pretty disrespectful too...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  max steel on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:09 pm

    arpakola wrote:



    Look at Turkey's statement to UN: 1.15 miles / 17 seconds x 60 x 60 = 243 miles/hour = 391 km/hour. The Su-24 would have had to be flying at stall speed."

    The Su-24's max speed is 1,320 km/hour.

    So if we assume the Su-24 was actually going much faster, was 17 seconds more like 5 seconds? Or perhaps even less?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:10 pm

    mmm interesting..
    You need to pay attention to the wording Putin use..
    Putin is asking Russian nationals to leave Turkey..because it can be dangerous
    there. Shocked

    he says that they cannot rule out another incident with turkey against Russia..
    and that if that happens ,they somehow will need to respond..and Russian citizens
    could be in danger.. Shocked

    So ..
    1)Putin is saying another attack on Russian airforce will be retaliated this time..
    2) And that they are evaluating bombing Ankara..  Shocked

    Because Russian nationals will not be in the border..but in touristical zones..
    It looks like Putin is saying to Russians in Turkey to abandon Turkey because it will get
    ugly there.. and a Turkey future aggression could force Russia to bomb Turkey capital.
    for maximun psicological impact.  Perhaps Turkey intelligence services or a military base.
    could be good options.

    http://tass.ru/en/politics/839086

    posting this ..because someone else noticed this too.. that they were more worried
    not by the S-300s in Syria..but by Putin words asking Russian nationals to leave Turkey
    because things could become dangerous for them. That a bomb wound them.. or that they retaliated by turkey citizens..


    What is interesting is also that this warning of Russians to leave turkey could scare all tourist from Europe too.. ie.. and damage significantly Turkey tourism and economy. Thats seems a possibility the real goal of the warning . but it could be a real strong retaliation.



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:13 pm

    Like i said, deploy S-400, with all necessary decoys in IR, Radar decoys aswell dummies, several layered protection for S-400 just like they are in russia with SHORAD,SAM overlapping all deadzones of each other, deploying Bastion coastal defense and blocking the entrance of any ship close to the border a no Naval/Fly zone and then keep bombing the shit out of this turkmen terrorists who are fighting for isis against kurds and against Assad. They are terrorists by definition. Deploy and establish an electronic jamming sphere for anything within turkish border, hardly any reaction can come even if the dogs are barking. And as a super statement use against turkmen terrorists and their ISIS oil rutes FOAB at least 2 to make it very clear to who plays here the boss and is not erdocunt.


    2) And that they are evaluating bombing Ankara.. Shocked

    He does not say that, what he implied is that turks with their right wing fascist would create progroms against russians when Russia would kill their terrorist scum or their army scum after they would again violate international law and commit act of war.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:14 pm

    GarryB wrote:Personally I think Putin will not attack Turkey... killing Turks will not bring the Russians back to life.

    What he will do is add to the air defences and fighter cover for all bombers, so it cannot happen again without immediate cost to the Turkish military.

    I also think he will likely stop a few economic programmes with turkey and direct Russian money/trade elsewhere in the region as a punishment for bad faith.

    Bombing turkey would do no good even if it was successful.

    And for the comments about air to air weapons... this Su-24 had upgraded attack capability... they clearly did not intend it to be used against enemy fighters on its own.

    The AMRAAM missile is not the super weapon some in the west like to pretend it is, though against an unaware enemy it gets results sometimes.

    I doubt the F-16 used anything but an AMRAAM because I doubt they wanted to get too close to the target in case it turned on them.

    I rather suspect Flankers will be equipped with R-77-1s which have been in production for the last three years... the fact that it has not been widely photographed on Russian fighters is a stupid argument... show me a photo of an in service Russian fighter with live AAMs on wing pylons and I will point out the black stripes indicating dummy rounds for practise.

    The R-73 is still a benchmark weapon comparable to the latest available today in performance if not technology.

    BTW posting images without warnings will be a problem and also pretty disrespectful too...

    Reread the rules if you are not sure what to do... ask if you are still not sure.

    I follow what u are saying Garry.
    BUT, extending that, we'd never lock up murderers.

    And a response WILL prevent future murders against Russia.

    Next it could be a Baltic, or some other country attacking Russia without provocation or justification.
    Turdkey is like the person being informally spoken to by a cop, then he stabs the cop and runs off. Guilt.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Akula971 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:15 pm

    As this thread is going on full speeds, i just want to sum up the events that took place :

    So far it is known :
    1) 1 Su 24 was downed by Turkish Air Force F16s.
    2) Su 24 fell in 'Turkmen' controlled area
    3) 1 pilot was shot and killed while landing - Body had bullet holes in the chest cavity.
    4) 1 Mi 8 got underfire while carrying out a rescue op.
    5) the Mi 8 was destroyed by a JAN TOW.

    The Mi 8 was apparently to be destroyed by setting charges while another Mi 8 carried out the extraction. JAN was able to blow it before this could be done. No one was injured in this attack.

    There were reports that a marine was martyred when the Mi 8 took fire from an AA gun. No reports.

    The second Russian pilot is safe - as reported by Russian MoD and a bunch of official sources.

    Now gentlemen - lets discuss this Op where the Russian and Syrian Special forces recovered the downed pilot. I have heard that the operation lasted anywhere from 6 - 12 hours and that the pilot was recovered from the other side of the border. The Spets flew behind enemy lines to carry out this maneuver.

    Also what about the body of the downed Russian pilot ?? Was it recovered ?

    ANNA news posted a video of it covering the rescue of the downed aircraft pilot.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:19 pm

    Werewolf wrote:

    He does not say that, what he implied is that turks with their right wing fascist would create progroms against russians when Russia would kill their terrorist scum or their army scum after they would again violate international law and commit act of war.

    indeed.. sounds more possible..

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  max steel on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:23 pm

    Putin Signs Decree to Award 3 Heroes of Syrian Operation, 2 Posthumously   yes sir




    BREAKING: Russia will deploy ‪S400‬ defense missile system to ‪‎Hmeymim‬ airbase in ‪Syria‬   cheers



    journalist to talk to saved pilot of Su-24 shot down by Turkey


    Well He can tell us Exactly what happened.


    US official says Russian SU-24 attacked by ‪#‎Turkey‬ in Syrian airspace :  walk-back begins    angry


    US Special Forces Allegedly Start Training Rebels in Syria   attack


    US Special Forces are reported to be on the ground in the Northern Latakia region of ‪#‎Syria‬ where the Russian SU-24 was shot down by ‪#‎Turkey‬, where they are training and arming ‪#‎Turkmen‬ jihadis of the 10th and 1st "FSA" Coastal Divisions.
    These are the same Al-Qaeda allied (per Telegraph & AP) Turkmen jihadists that Erdogan is so upset Russia is bombing who murdered the Russian pilot who was parachuting to the ground and filmed themselves shooting down the Russian search and rescue helicopter that Russia sent to recover the pilots, killing another Russian marine.

    Tell me - do you believe in ‪#‎coindcidences‬ like that? Because I don't.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Akula971 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:26 pm

    Alexander Pozynich, the sailor / marine who lost his life when the Mi 8 took fire was awarded Order of Courage.





    here is the source :

    http://www.rbc.ru/politics/25/11/2015/56557c6b9a794764abea0c1a

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