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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  ultron on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:20 am

    Why don't Russia simply use Smerch to blast rebel positions from city? With a range of 90 km, Smerch can cover the entire Latakia province. No Russian serviceman would have ever gotten hurt. I'm not a big fan of Putin's no ground forces policy. Ground forces is safer if they use artillery.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:22 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Possible concern for the Russians.

    Interesting: Turkmen fighters showed off their Strela-2M (SA-7B) MANPADS, though it lacked 9B17 thermal battery.
    https://twitter.com/ain92ru/status/669310645653938176

    Various groups in Syria have them for years now. This one tho might be of Croatian origin (ex Yugoslavian stockpile).

    Didn't we talked about this like a month ago...

    PapaD: I think Turkish AF in Syrian Airspace might call it self Christmas Tree.

    Maybe idk, did we O.o?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Zivo on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:23 am


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:24 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    ultron wrote:The long range air defense radar at the air base should have tracked the F-16 well before it got close to the Su-24. Why didn't the long range radar warn?

    Of course it did... You can see it for yourself in the MoD's radar data release. But so what? F-16s on supposed routine patrol just like any other freaking day. It was cold blooded murder, it's like walking down a street and having a guy pull a gun and blow three holes in you at 2 meters. Good luck surviving that, Rambo.


    yes it was an attack that could have caught any plane off guard.. because it was
    without warning.. Russia many times was just 5 km distance of american planes.
    Any mig plane even from world war 2 could have scored a shut down of an F-22
    if the plane pilot is not aware of the hostile intentions of the other operator..and is very close.
    and stab in the back. While he is unaware will be attacked.


    Why don't Russia simply use Smerch to blast rebel positions from city? With a range of 90 km, Smerch can cover the entire Latakia province. No Russian serviceman would have ever gotten hurt. I'm not a big fan of Putin's no ground forces policy. Ground forces is safer if they use artillery.

    Because they are not precise enough.. the terrorist in northen latakia are in mountains with
    lots of foliage that hide them.. very hard to fight there. Pilots needs to fly low to indentify
    the terrorist positions and bomb..  What they can do now.. is burn the whole place ,mountains and all hills in Syria side with special flamable substances .. and cook alive the terrorist.
    that will also get rid of the foliage so no cover..

    and Syrian army have smerch.. there are videos posted recently used in some places that makes sense.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:25 am

    Good one Zivo

    KiloGolf wrote:If true that's a big FU to the perpetrators of this trap

    via @AlMayadeenNews The 2nd #Russian Pilot was rescued by #SAA after a special operation behind enemy lines
    https://twitter.com/Ibra_Joudeh/status/669322820665610241

    Although I was under the impression both pilots were shown on tape dead..

    You beat me to it Very Happy ....according to that report, the 2nd pilot is alive, they wouldn't 'rescue' a corpse....lets see if it gets confirmed.

    #SAA Airborne forces found the 2nd pilot and escorted him for 2 hours before being transported to Khmeimim Air Base
    https://twitter.com/Ibra_Joudeh/status/669325303869784064

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:30 am

    Turkey's allies are leaving it out in the cold. The German vice-chancellor said that he stands with Russia and here is what one of the US generals just said: http://m.ria.ru/world/20151125/1327873974.html

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:33 am

    Turkey's allies are leaving it out in the cold. The German vice-chancellor said that he stands with Russia and here is what one of the US generals just said

    Nice of him, but it seems he's a retired general....they've got more leaway on what they can say publicly

    Vann7 wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:
    ultron wrote:The long range air defense radar at the air base should have tracked the F-16 well before it got close to the Su-24. Why didn't the long range radar warn?

    Of course it did... You can see it for yourself in the MoD's radar data release. But so what? F-16s on supposed routine patrol just like any other freaking day. It was cold blooded murder, it's like walking down a street and having a guy pull a gun and blow three holes in you at 2 meters. Good luck surviving that, Rambo.


    yes it was an attack that could have caught any plane off guard.. because it was
    without warning.. Russia many times was just 5 km distance of american planes.
    Any mig plane even from world war 2 could have scored a shut down of an F-22
    if the plane pilot is not aware of the hostile intentions of the other operator..and is very close.
    and stab in the back. While he is unaware will be attacked.

    Hopefully they learned a lesson on being more careful and providing fighter escorts to strike aircraft.

    I think they'll definately need extra fighters and extra air defence would be desirable....the Moskva cruiser has been tasked to provide LR aircover, but that wouldn't be enough if a larger scale battle were to start


    Moskva cruiser S-300 coverage

    http://uploads.ru/5KycU.jpg

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:40 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Good one Zivo

    KiloGolf wrote:If true that's a big FU to the perpetrators of this trap

    via @AlMayadeenNews The 2nd #Russian Pilot was rescued by #SAA after a special operation behind enemy lines
    https://twitter.com/Ibra_Joudeh/status/669322820665610241

    Although I was under the impression both pilots were shown on tape dead..

    You beat me to it Very Happy ....according to that report, the 2nd pilot is alive, they wouldn't 'rescue' a corpse....lets see if it gets confirmed.

    #SAA Airborne forces found the 2nd pilot and escorted him for 2 hours before being transported to Khmeimim Air Base
    https://twitter.com/Ibra_Joudeh/status/669325303869784064

    really good news for Russians morale.. there is help "from above" that people use
    to call it luck.. Laughing

    and this should be a lesson for the people blaming the Syrian army "incompetence"
    and its special forces.. they have done things behind enemy lines.. that are worth of a movie..
    like the rescue of 3 journalist taken prisoners by the supposed "moderate FSA" . there was a group of no less than 200 jihadist transporting the kidnapped journalist to another zone..
    and 50 special forces of the Syrian army..deep inside enemy lines, rescue her from them alive and without any harm.. and wiping all 200 terrorist. Cool Is that is not impressive..the nothing it is.. Syrian special forces train in Russia with Russian special forces.. same training..

    and they have LOTS and LOTS of successful reports of entering a village controlled by terrorist.. killing one leader.. and leaving without being killed.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Rodinazombie on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:41 am

    For what its worth, i dont think the turks will do shit now for a long while, they know they have fucked up big time and the russians are ready to unload a whole world of hurt on them, unless of course they have the 'backing' of the USA, then we may see more fun and games.

    The USA may well pretend to throw turkey to the wolves simply to tempt russia into escalating the conflict, and thus turning it into a full blown proxy war against russia but using turkey rather than ukraine like it originally tried to. Thats why russia shouldnt allow itself to be drawn in too far, it must act and think rationally and be very careful to not let the americans turn this to their advantage.

    You just know some idiots like mccain will be spunking on their tv sets right now and dreaming about afghanistan number two for russia and getting rid of assad at the same time. Futile dreams i know, but those nutjobs dont think rationally.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  ultron on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:44 am

    Put a bullet in Erdogan's head. Problem solved. We don't want a neo Ottomanist in Ankara.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:59 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:Turkey's allies are leaving it out in the cold. The German vice-chancellor said that he stands with Russia and here is what one of the US generals just said: http://m.ria.ru/world/20151125/1327873974.html


    Europe can stop for real the war in Syria and Ukraine too. Europe is the world major economy
    and if European Union united they become the real Super super super power of the world..
    IF most of Europe developed countries United.. it can force Obama ,and its government to stop.
    they can do it.. they have all the tools in the world to do it.. it will be painful to split from americans.. economy wise.. but you bet they will retreat in Syria if see their allies abandoning them.. and joining Russia.  Is better to experience a major economy collapse for opposing United States..policies than to allow US and Turkey to continue with their games suporting ISIS and alqaeda to destroy entire nations.. and start a world war 3. The refugee crisis consequences of Americans policies, should be  warning to European nations of how their own destruction will happen if they continue following US policies..

    An alliance between Most Europe ,including france and Germany and Russia to fight ISIS.. rejecting US alliance.. will truly end the terrorism in the world..
    World Opinion is really powerful and combined with constructive actions.. and it can stop wars and change the future.. Once the americans see themselves Isolated They will retreat
    and really make peace with RUssia and Syria.

    and turkey will stand not a chance isolated from the world.
    it will be impossible for Erdogan to survive in turkey on his position if the European Union
    fully expose turkey support to ISIS in public and warn with major economic isolation if they do not stop its illegal war against Syria and stop supporting terrorism. Not even internet will work in turkey if they isolated from the world. it will be like North Korea.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:08 am

    With the Moskva cruiser headed towards the coast of Syria, you know what this means right guys? It's time to bring Debaltsevo to Northern Cyprus and southern Turkey!

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:24 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:With the Moskva cruiser headed towards the coast of Syria, you know what this means right guys? It's time to bring Debaltsevo to Northern Cyprus and southern Turkey!

    yes i hope russia will liverate northern Cyprus so as all Greek-dominated Cyprus to be united with Greece cheers


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:26 am

    Very good refreshing report and summary of the Syrian conflict and US and its gulf allies
    negative role in the conflict since 2011. and where is the world today ..

    Turkey’s actions show desperation and despair of regime change camp

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/323353-regime-change-camp-desperation/

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:53 am

    Occupied regions of Latakia (specifically Turkmen and Akrad mountains) are getting hit hard right now. Hopefully some Turkish wives and kids will be left without husbands and fathers.

    LINK:
    https://twitter.com/amiralabbas/status/669388160476905472
    https://twitter.com/ivansidorenko1/status/669388012980187136

    And the other Su-24 pilot is safe after a six hour op behind enemy lines conducted by SAA and apparently Russian Spetsnaz.

    LINK:
    https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/status/669353842329427968


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:27 am

    A bit longer report on the bombing of the area where the Su-24 was shot down....apparently the TuAF fighters are staying away from the border area

    http://southfront.org/vks-russian-federation-has-annihilated-the-militants-in-the-area-where-the-su-24-was-brought-down-erdogan-has-ordered-that-air-force-planes-of-turkey-be-grounded/


    Vann7 wrote:Very good refreshing report and summary of the Syrian conflict and US and its gulf allies
    negative role in the conflict since 2011. and where is the world today ..

    Turkey’s actions show desperation and despair of regime change camp

    Pretty good article....I'm hoping they will cut off the supply lines in the north soon, although more incidents will probably occur....I can't see them giving up that area without a serious fight

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Zivo on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:24 am

    The first shot from Russia to delegitimize Erdogan's regime.

    Ankara defends ISIS, Turkish officials have financial interest in oil trade with group - PM Medvedev

    “Turkey’s actions are de facto protection of Islamic State,” Medvedev said, calling the group formerly known as ISIS by its new name. “This is no surprise, considering the information we have about direct financial interest of some Turkish officials relating to the supply of oil products refined by plants controlled by ISIS.”

    “The reckless and criminal actions of the Turkish authorities… have caused a dangerous escalation of relations between Russia and NATO, which cannot be justified by any interest, including protection of state borders,” Medvedev said.


    https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/




    One of 2 Russian pilots shot down by Turkey picked up by Syrian Army – Russian ambassador to France  Shocked

    "One of the two Russian pilots, who ejected from the bomber shot down by Turkey on Tuesday, was picked up by the Syrian Army, the Russian ambassador to France has said. He added the pilot was wounded."


    https://www.rt.com/news/323377-russian-pilot-saved-syria/

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  arpakola on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:32 am

    Alpaslan Çelik, the so called Turkman leader order the shooting of the pilots, is member of the Turkish fascist organisation Gray Wolfs

    http://infognomonpolitics.blogspot.gr/2015/11/blog-post_819.html#more

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:39 am

    "Шойгу: на базу «Хмеймим» в Сирии будет переброшена ЗРК С-400"

    Everyone understands this no need for translation.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:41 am

    Militarov wrote:"Шойгу: на базу «Хмеймим» в Сирии будет переброшена ЗРК С-400"

    Everyone understands this no need for translation.

    250 km range "regular missile" and 400 km anti AEW capability.

    Looks solid.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  arpakola on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:42 am

    according to this >> http://www.almayadeen.net/news/syria-0ULhXOjaZUe34KVbAFwcOA/فرقة-كومندوس-جوية-سورية-تنقذ-الطيار-الروسي-الثاني

    Syrian commando Task Force free and save the second Russian pilot from hands of  terrorist

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:43 am

    Militarov wrote:"Шойгу: на базу «Хмеймим» в Сирии будет переброшена ЗРК С-400"

    Everyone understands this no need for translation.

    Shoigu had only to say S-400 everyone would understand regardless on which side. S-400 silences everybody.

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