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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:39 pm

    sepheronx wrote:http://tass.ru/en/defense/839109

    So it is confirmed that S-400 will be placed in Syria and the Moskva's cruiser S-300F will compliment it.  Pretty much Turkeys little stunt will now be their undoing. As soon as Turkey tries again, it will lose more than a plane and pilot.  But they have experience getting shot down, at least by Greece, so this shouldnt come as a surprise to them.

    Also, I suppose it is confirmed that all bombers are now to be escorted by fighters and new electronic warfare and ecm systems to be installed as well?
    I am sure that the Turks had no idea of the 'gift' that they were giving the Russians with this illjudged action.

    As a starter, it will probably cause some blowback onto US/NATO flights in Syria, especially those originating out of Incirlik. Any non RuAF/SAF flight is going to have to be much more circumspect as they will be aware that Moscow is now trigger happy.

    Perhaps much more importantly and quite unexpectedly, the the door has now been opened for Russian SAM systems in Syria against a requirement that is very difficult for anyone to object to. After the first S-400 is installed then it must be highly likely that other systems, maybe not S-400, will be installed as the SAA gains more territory. To 'cover' the Turkish border all the way to Iraq of course! This is leading to the very real possibility that Syria will be able to declare itself a controlled military airspace, enforced by the Russian SAMs.

    This, an updated Syrian SAM system, is absolutely not what CENTCOM or the IAF wanted to happen, they must have been spitting blood at their 'partners' in Turkey once the ramifications sunk in.

    Being really off the wall, how about the French Navy supplying fighter escorts for the Russians?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:40 pm



    Akrad Mount bombing in Latakia. Some clustering is underway.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  max steel on Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:43 pm

    Rescued Russian Pilot Says There Was No Warning Before F-16 Opened Fire
    "There were no warnings. Not via the radio, not visually. There was no contact whatsoever. That's why we were keeping our combat course as usual. You have to understand what the cruising speed of a bomber is compared to an F-16. If they wanted to warn us, they could have shown themselves by heading on a parallel course. But there was nothing. And the rocket hit our tail completely unexpectedly. We didn't even see it in time to take evasive maneuvres."
    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151125/1030742094/pilot-su24-rescued-no-turkish-space-violation.html

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  arpakola on Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:52 pm


    Turkish flag burns as protests against Su-24 downing continue in Moscow

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:54 pm

    sepheronx wrote:As soon as Turkey tries again, it will lose more than a plane and pilot.  But they have experience getting shot down, at least by Greece, so this shouldnt come as a surprise to them.



    The difference is that we picked him up from the sea, hospitalized him and then returned him home with C-130 after getting Turkey to stop threatening Cyprus. The same year Russia agreed to supply T-80 tanks, BMP-3 and Buk-M1 to Cyprus and the S-300 missiles after lots of Tu/US threats were sent to Crete.

    That's the difference...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  max steel on Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:07 pm

    sepheronx wrote:http://tass.ru/en/defense/839109

    So it is confirmed that S-400 will be placed in Syria and the Moskva's cruiser S-300F will compliment it.  Pretty much Turkeys little stunt will now be their undoing. As soon as Turkey tries again, it will lose more than a plane and pilot.  But they have experience getting shot down, at least by Greece, so this shouldnt come as a surprise to them.

    Also, I suppose it is confirmed that all bombers are now to be escorted by fighters and new electronic warfare and ecm systems to be installed as well?


    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4711p90-russian-military-involvement-and-aid-to-syria-6#137598 I've posted it already


    According to an ex Dutch general and ex airforce pilot an order to fire on a hostile plane can come only from the highest command in Ankara.

    http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/24784634/___Ankara_gaf_opdracht_tot_actie___.html

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:22 pm

    OK, so S-300 or S-400? These releases are in time order, oldest first.

    MOSCOW, November 25. /TASS/. Russia will move its air defense system S-400 Triumf to the Hmeimim air base in Syria, accommodating its air and space group, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Wednesday. "The S-400 air defense missile system will be brought to the Hmeimim base at the decision of the commander-in-chief," he said.


    NIZHNI TAGIL, November 25. /TASS/. Russia will employ every single resource available, including the S-300 system, to ensure the safety of flights over Syria, Russian President Vladimir Putin told the media. "The S-300 air defense complex will be moved to our air base in Syria. I do hope that this and other measures that we will take will be enough to make flights safe," he said. "I would like to say that we will take the most serious attitude to what has happened and all of our means will be employed for maintaining security," Putin stated.
    Earlier, the Russian defense minister noted that Russia's S-400 Triumf air defense systems will be moved to the Hmeimim air base in Syria.


    YEKATERINBURG, November 25. /TASS/. S-400 missile systems, deployed to Turkey, will be returned to Russia after Russia’s Aerospace Forces’ operation in Syria is over, their sale is not planned, Russian presidential aide on military technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin said Wednesday. "There’s no talk about sale. It’s our system that will ensure security; when our units return from there, the system will be returned as well. No one has thought or spoken about any sales. There are no such plans," Kozhin said.
    On Wednesday Russian President Vladimir Putin told the media that Russia will employ every single resource available, including the S-300 system, to ensure the safety of flights over Syria. Before that, the Russian defense minister noted that Russia's S-400 Triumf air defense systems will be moved to the Hmeimim air base in Syria.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:30 pm

    Right now they are getting massacred in Latakia.

    Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai  18 mins18 minutes ago
    #Russia/n airforce cover the sky of reef #Lattakia bombing all day as it is waiting4 #Turkey reaction.Allies Ground troops advanced n d area
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/669548595935363072

    Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai 19m19 minutes ago
    Jabal al-Nuba and Jabal Zahiya were recovered by #Hezbollah #SAA, looking over bordering area and entrance/exit with #Turkey
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/669549004963897345

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:50 pm

    Greece Agrees With Russian Assessment of Turkey's 'Unfriendly' Actions

    On behalf of the country's leadership, the Greek minister expressed his condolences over the destruction of a Russian plane by Turkey's air force and the death of a pilot carrying out coutnerterrorism tasks in Syria. Athens expressed solidarity with the Russian president's assessment of Ankara's actions as unfriendly toward Russia and contrary to the objectives of the anti-ISIL coalition," the ministry said in a statement.

    http://sputniknews.com/world/20151125/1030720678/greece-russia-turkey.html#ixzz3sWTIgXNU

    Kotzias mentioned to LAvrov the average 1.500 turkish violations per year over our Aegean air space.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:01 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    Akrad Mount bombing in Latakia. Some clustering is underway.

    Good.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:07 pm

    Dr Shahid ‏@DR_SHAHID  7m7 minutes ago
    Russian airforce hits trucks crossing into #Syria from Turkey. Most of these trucks carry weapons



    https://twitter.com/DR_SHAHID/status/669560583121956864

    Yeah looks like Putin is wasting them, in Azaz (very strategic location) right on the turkish border.




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:41 pm

    More of the Azaz bombing aftermath



    the "moderates" claim 7 truck driver died, 10 injured,20 truck burned
    I suspect the numbers are higher.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  ult on Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:54 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:the "moderates" claim 7 truck driver died, 10 injured,20 truck burned
    I suspect the numbers are higher.

    Nice. Need to repeat this x1000 times more though.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Dima on Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:13 pm

    ult wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:the "moderates" claim 7 truck driver died, 10 injured,20 truck burned
    I suspect the numbers are higher.

    Nice. Need to repeat this x1000 times more though.
    Yes! And a dozen bombs on the exact Turkish territory over violation of which the Turks shot down the Russian a/c. Russia have a valid reason to say that they will hunt down the terrorists where ever they are and in all probability, that part is infested with Turkman/Al Nusra terrorists.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  arpakola on Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:20 pm


    he shot the SU24

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:28 pm

    arpakola wrote:
    he shot the SU24

    Looks like a fucking Turdkey paedophile as well.
    No wonder they want families going there on holiday..

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Dima on Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:38 pm






    Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 4h4 hours ago
    #RuAF #Russia #Syria

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  ult on Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:39 pm

    That is an Azerbaijani photograph, not a pilot.


    https://vk.com/album244163006_00

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:41 pm

    ult wrote:That is an Azerbaijani photograph, not a pilot.
    https://vk.com/album244163006_00
    Thanks. I already suspected it couldn't be real.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:52 pm

    Guys I have bad news, in one of the photos the terrorists have placed the dead pilot's head in a way to decapitate him.
    There's also a guy with a knife in the same image cry


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  BKP on Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:59 pm

    ^I predict that bad things are going to happen to the persons in that photo.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:04 pm

    BKP wrote:^I predict that bad things are going to happen to the persons in that photo.
    They clearly either don't know about the long arm of Russia or don't care. If they did there would be no photo evidence.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:06 pm

    arpakola wrote:
    he shot the SU24
    Looks a bit like Turkish Sean Connery Very Happy

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:08 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:Guys I have bad news, in one of the photos the terrorists have placed the dead pilot's head in a way to decapitate him.


    There's also a guy with a knife in the same image cry
    Following Gary's comments last night I would respectfully suggest you don't directly link to that kind of photo.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:13 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Guys I have bad news, in one of the photos the terrorists have placed the dead pilot's head in a way to decapitate him.


    There's also a guy with a knife in the same image cry
    Following Gary's comments last night I would respectfully suggest you don't directly link to that kind of photo.

    The link I used is from a Greek newspaper(top in circulation in the country - protothema.gr), which had it watermark-covered as you see.
    I will edit now anyway. The comments in the newspaper range from rage to volunteering for joining the fight.

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