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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:59 am

    It is pretty easy how to handle turk slime balls.

    Deploy at least two S-300, Panzir-S1 against incoming cruise missiles if they dare to retaliate along with TOR, BUK-M1 and all necessary things to prevent, avoid (dummies) and keep on salving. Russian jets should then start flying more often across turkish border provoke F-16's in the sky and as soon something starts start shooting S-300. Nothing NATO can do about it. No fly zone is the holy grail against NATO.

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    Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:01 am

    kvs wrote:
    ult wrote:

    Indeed, the F16 was loitering waiting for the chance to pounce.   No way was this anything innocent and baloney
    about "Turkey defending its air space" is retard-spew.

    Good catch.. was hunting and waiting Russia gets a little close to attack.
    But Syrian airforce have been attacked even 30km deep inside Syria territory..
    so is a limited war... and now they targeting Russia.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:10 am

    I'm pretty sure that as we speak, things are happening. If not tomorrow, we may see a response by the end of this week.

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    Post  Zivo on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:12 am

    Russia works on responsive actions over warplane downing by Turkey

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-11/25/c_134851347.htm

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:16 am

    KiloGolf wrote:I'm pretty sure that as we speak, things are happening. If not tomorrow, we may see a response by the end of this week.

    Hitting oil, hitting Turkmens, hitting JAN. They don't even need to hit Turkey. That' will happen in due time.

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    Post  Kadmos45 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:17 am

    Closing about this Stoltzenberg fool, did you guys notice how this guy looks , walks and talks on that video.

    He looks teriffied, can't even walk straight and said from paper with trembling voice, probably on some drugs.

    BTW. He said:  NATO ALLY Turkey , not MEMBER , typical freudian slip LOL Very Happy

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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:19 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:I'm pretty sure that as we speak, things are happening. If not tomorrow, we may see a response by the end of this week.

    Hitting oil, hitting Turkmens, hitting JAN. They don't even need to hit Turkey. That' will happen in due time.

    The occupied Cyprus forces are fair game. These are conventional Turkish Armed Forces.
    They have daily re-supply routes, weekly ships going in and out. That area is not part of NATO and is right next to the Russian air base.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:19 am

    Werewolf wrote:It is pretty easy how to handle turk slime balls.

    Deploy at least two S-300, Panzir-S1 against incoming cruise missiles if they dare to retaliate along with TOR, BUK-M1 and all necessary things to prevent, avoid (dummies) and keep on salving. Russian jets should then start flying more often across turkish border provoke F-16's in the sky and as soon something starts start shooting S-300. Nothing NATO can do about it. No fly zone is the holy grail against NATO.

    Russia needs to capture more territory and totally capture syrian-turkey border from the mediterranean to north aleppo at least and seal Turkey border to full seal north west of Syria from turkey. and then control all south of Syria to seal that airspace from Israel.
    that is the real important place in the whole conflict.. Eastern Syria is mostly empty and have Iraq as border so Turkey cannot operate there.

    so is not only about hardware but geographic location is as important. very big flat terrain is ideal for airdefenses to see all.. Mountanous zones not. planes can hide behind mountains and hug terrain in non flat territory. Aside Russia in so short time cannot implement a network of defense like the one they have in Russia. Big Ground radars and Awacs and ground electronic warfare in all borders is also important. and anti ballistics high altitude defenses like s-500 or the others to cover space attacks.

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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:26 am

    Zivo wrote:Russia works on responsive actions over warplane downing by Turkey

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-11/25/c_134851347.htm

    Once RUssia close turkey border.. even if done 50km from Turkeyborder.. moving temporarily Syrian borders. All terrorist groups ill collapse its supply lines.. that will be BIG TROUBLE.
    very huge problems for the terrorist logistics and in a month two or 3 they will lack of food
    and ammunition and collapse..

    So it will be on the interest of Russia to keep any confrontation with Turkey ,at the minimun
    level possible for now. and only shot down a turkey plane if Russian pilot life at risk. So Turkey will try to provoke RUssia into a war.. only to justify a major interference of Russian airforce operation. and interrupt and stop the defeat of the terrorist.

    i think it will be a good time for Russia to hire the 30,000 chechens volunteers kadyrov was offering to make them secure and close the turkey border.. as much i dont like their fanatism.. they can still be very useful. for RUssia.  or get volunteers in big numbers 30,000 from former soviet states if possible ,to help with capturing all northern latakia border and holding it..
    that will allow Russia to deploy there Counter Electronic equipment next to turkey border
    and Short range air defenses.. and radars looking deep inside turkey and any altitude.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  max steel on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:30 am

    Rate of posting is quite high on this thread(obviously).We were at page 27-28 before it all started.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:31 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:I'm pretty sure that as we speak, things are happening. If not tomorrow, we may see a response by the end of this week.

    Hitting oil, hitting Turkmens, hitting JAN. They don't even need to hit Turkey. That' will happen in due time.

    The occupied Cyprus forces are fair game. These are conventional Turkish Armed Forces.
    They have daily re-supply routes, weekly ships going in and out. That area is not part of NATO and is right next to the Russian air base.

    WW2 mines tend to get lost...

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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:42 am




    "We will make a request to the travel agencies to find out the number of Russian tourists in Turkey in order to be ready to implement any measures proposed by the Russian government," head of the agency Oleg Safonov was quoted by Tass.

    A major tourist agency Natalie Tours, headquartered in Moscow, said in an online statement that it had cancelled booking tours to Turkey from all its offices in Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus from Tuesday due to "unstable political situation and measures taken by the Russian state to guarantee its citizens' security."

    Russians are the second largest tourist group visiting Turkey, according to official data. Nearly 4.5 million Russians visited Turkey last year, accounting for 12 percent of all tourists there.


    This is what Russia needs...^^

    And if possible a world wide ban of traveling to turkey .. once Turkey economy suffer a deadly recession it will be easier to desintegrate the popularity of Erdogan. and pressure him to change
    its illegal war in Syria and support for terrorist.



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:53 am

    Turkey is pretty clearly Satan's right hand man in intl affairs.

    http://ukrainianpolicy.com/turkey-warns-russia-it-will-blockade-bosphorus/

    Fortrus also has an interesting article linking Turkey, the Bosphorus and the Ukraine.

    Lada's Ray's https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com blog reckons Putin will play a long game with the 3 headed snake aka Terdogan, and will want to keep Turdkey stable for a while (Strange idea, but she's good on lots of stuff).

    Maybe Russia needs to grab the bull by the horns. By that I mean secure the Bosphorus. Thats a big big exercise. But, its no good trying to placate a terrorist who isn't trusted by anyone in the World.

    It wouldn't be hard to send Turdkey into utter, utter meltdown. Pretty soon people would be talking about which bit "belongs" to whom.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:54 am

    Possible concern for the Russians.

    Interesting: Turkmen fighters showed off their Strela-2M (SA-7B) MANPADS, though it lacked 9B17 thermal battery.
    https://twitter.com/ain92ru/status/669310645653938176

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:59 am

    KiloGolf wrote:Possible concern for the Russians.

    Interesting: Turkmen fighters showed off their Strela-2M (SA-7B) MANPADS, though it lacked 9B17 thermal battery.
    https://twitter.com/ain92ru/status/669310645653938176


    Actually this was worse. The Trail from the missile that hit the SU-24 on tape and the plane almost made it to SAA controlled territory. The Turks indeed shot it so it could fall in Turkmen territory.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:06 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Possible concern for the Russians.

    Interesting: Turkmen fighters showed off their Strela-2M (SA-7B) MANPADS, though it lacked 9B17 thermal battery.
    https://twitter.com/ain92ru/status/669310645653938176


    Actually this was worse. The Trail from the missile that hit the SU-24 on tape and the plane almost made it to SAA controlled territory. The Turks indeed shot it so it could fall in Turkmen territory.


    1.56, on the left of the flying Mi-8, is that the destroyed Mi-8?


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  max steel on Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:07 am

    Who are the Turkmen that are reported to have killed two Russian pilots?


    Downing of Russian jet throws spotlight on ethnic Turkish minority fighting with Syria's rebels(terrorists.) "They have been fighting alongside other rebel groups, including the al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra"....
    Alwiya al-Ashar is linked to a Turkish and CIA-backed logistics supply programme that funnels a near-constant stream of small arms, ammunition, and cash for salaries to rebel groups across northern Syria."

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:08 am

    ANNA News will be banned a 5th time now by Jewtube.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:11 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Possible concern for the Russians.

    Interesting: Turkmen fighters showed off their Strela-2M (SA-7B) MANPADS, though it lacked 9B17 thermal battery.
    https://twitter.com/ain92ru/status/669310645653938176


    Actually this was worse. The Trail from the missile that hit the SU-24 on tape and the plane almost made it to SAA controlled territory. The Turks indeed shot it so it could fall in Turkmen territory.


    1.56, on the left of the flying Mi-8, is that the destroyed Mi-8?

    Yup, it's the hit Mil Mi 8. So the area was set up and people were ready with a tow squad. I mean I half-believed my own idea, but this, with Crocodiles overhead and T'ukmens hitting the chopper, this is clearly a prepared ambush site.

    BTW the guys on the ground aren't Turkmen half of them are Turkish citizen, including the commander.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:16 am

    Putin Goes Hard: Cruiser Ordered to 'Target and Destroy any Potential Threat'

    After the downing of Russian jet SU-24, lieutenant general Sergey Rudskoy, a top member of the Russian general staff, sent an important message to Washington / Ankara during a briefing to the media:

    “Russia deploys missile cruiser off Syria coast, ordered to destroy any target posing danger”

    What does this mean ?

    First of all, the missile cruiser Moskva has already been off the coast of Latakia since the beginning of October. This re-affirmation of the deployment is meant to send a very precise message:


    Do not even think of pulling off something like what happened today.

    Second, the use of the word “ORDER”. This means, most likely, that the authorization to use fire power, has already been given in certain circumstances. Unlike the event we witnessed today where Erdogan had to authorize the strike, no high level authorization will be needed in case of “a hostile threat .”

    The Russians literally have their fingers on the trigger.

    Given the above, Syrian skies have now effectively become a Russian no-Fly-zone. Washington/Ankara can test this hypothesis at their own peril.

    From now on, no messing around. Fore-warned is fore-armed.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/things-just-got-very-serious-moskva-missile-cruiser-target-and-destroy-any-potential-threat/ri11419


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:19 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Yup, it's the hit Mil Mi 8. So the area was set up and people were ready with a tow squad. I mean I half-believed my own idea, but this, with Crocodiles overhead and T'ukmens hitting the chopper, this is clearly a prepared ambush site.

    BTW the guys on the ground aren't Turkmen half of them are Turkish citizen, including the commander.

    Thx for clarifications.

    Without trying to come off as heartless tool, it's been about 2 months since Russia has setup some serious shop right on the Med (1 air base, 1 helicopter/ammo and 1 extra storage facility), massacred these "revolutionaries" by the hundreds, butchered their perceived "home front", gained prime real estate (be it not huge) in Latakia and Aleppo and eradicated their handlers' cash flow (oil). Loosing three men in the process, an old soviet jet and a helicopter.

    OK... unshaven
    It's not as if they lost the battle for Kursk or something. War is war.

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:23 am

    George1 wrote:
    What does this mean ?

    First of all, the missile cruiser Moskva has already been off the coast of Latakia since the beginning of October. This re-affirmation of the deployment is meant to send a very precise message:


    Do not even think of pulling off something like what happened today.

    Second, the use of the word “ORDER”. This means, most likely, that the authorization to use fire power, has already been given in certain circumstances. Unlike the event we witnessed today where Erdogan had to authorize the strike, no high level authorization will be needed in case of “a hostile threat .”

    The Russians literally have their fingers on the trigger.

    Given the above, Syrian skies have now effectively become a Russian no-Fly-zone. Washington/Ankara can test this hypothesis at their own peril.

    From now on, no messing around.  Fore-warned is fore-armed.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/things-just-got-very-serious-moskva-missile-cruiser-target-and-destroy-any-potential-threat/ri11419

    So.. S-300F will be put on motion.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:25 am

    I will also be looking closely at possible scenario of TuNavy vessels sinking without explanation.
    There's allegedly an improved Kilo somewhere in the region too...

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:27 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Yup, it's the hit Mil Mi 8. So the area was set up and people were ready with a tow squad. I mean I half-believed my own idea, but this, with Crocodiles overhead and T'ukmens hitting the chopper, this is clearly a prepared ambush site.

    BTW the guys on the ground aren't Turkmen half of them are Turkish citizen, including the commander.

    Thx for clarifications.

    Without trying to come off as heartless tool, it's been about 2 months since Russia has setup some serious shop right on the Med (1 air base, 1 helicopter/ammo and 1 extra storage facility), massacred these "revolutionaries" by the hundreds, butchered their perceived "home front", gained prime real estate (be it not huge) in Latakia and Aleppo and eradicated their handlers' cash flow (oil). Loosing three men in the process, an old soviet jet and a helicopter.

    OK... unshaven
    It's not as if they lost the battle for Kursk or something. War is war.

    If you read one of my posts, I said exactly that, the mission is going well, bar the asshatery from Turkey. There was no threat, no real risk to the bomber force. Now it will change. Now the Russians will monitor locks from Turkish AF/CAP, as soon as they detect one, direct counter-lock, this will mean that for SEAD missions, there must be an Iranian base available. Or then Russians will have to go X-555/101 on Turkish AC.

    But I cannot let you talk about this like it was "war", it's an unprovoked, fully premediated action planned and executed by Turkey due to assumptions by the Russian pilots and possible weather conditions. That's why it is bewlidering.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #6

    Post  kvs on Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:28 am

    Russia needs to fight back against the NATO "drang nach osten". Syria, Iraq and Iran need to be supported to become a line against Turkey and
    the anti-Shia alliance of assorted vermin. Kurds need full support from Russia to secure their future.

    Erdo-turd-land can threaten to shut down the Bosphorus. Russia can make sure that it stays behind its southern border for the coming decades.
    No more incursions to chase Kurds and no more ISIS proxies. Russia needs to commit massive amounts of hardware to this effort. Smear ISIS
    out much faster.

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