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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  OminousSpudd on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:41 am

    Shitheads wrote:Shouldn't this be rather taken as NATO shooting down a Russian plane and killing its personal? As such, Russia has the righteousness to strike back against NATO countries and its personal?

    Also, what do you think Russia should do? Escalate and strike one of their air force bases maybe? That would be quite direct and decisive, but not that grand and lasting tho i think.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Khepesh on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:42 am

    Some good news. Rossiya 24 are saying that Russian ambassador to France confirms that SAA special forces have recued the second pilot alive. Also reporting that S-400 are being deployed to Syria. http://www.vesti.ru/onair/
    I would prefer a statement from defence ministry about both items to be certain....

    edit: Shoigu confirmed about S-400 but nothing official about the pilot yet.


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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Mustafa on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:46 am

    Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  OminousSpudd on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:48 am

    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    Excuse the inexcusable genocidal comments... We're not all like that. We realize most of the people in Turkey are completely innocent in this matter. Tempers are running high at the moment.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  auslander on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:54 am

    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    Russia had nothing to do with MH17 nor did Novorossiya. Ukrops shot it down, pure, simple and proven.

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:57 am

    Turkey is and through out history was always an enemy of russia. The fact that your regime with islamist idiot like erdocunt who has even suggested a false flag to mortar turkish citizens and blame it on Assad so he could go to war but you idiots still believe this subhuman is a good thing to have. He is anti turkish as it gets, someone who suggests to kill own people, become islamic fascist and supports and finances terrorism and sucks dick of Jews yes that is a subhuman that deserves a cruel death.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Khepesh on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:58 am

    Shoigu confirms navigator of the Su-24 has been rescued alive and well and is now back at the airbase. http://ria.ru/world/20151125/1327995786.html

    edit: Shoigu said that it was a joint operation between Russian and Syrian spetsnaz that lasted 12 hours.


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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:59 am

    Khepesh wrote:Shoigu confirms navigator of the Su-24 has been rescued alive and well and is now back at the airbase. http://ria.ru/world/20151125/1327995786.html

    Then they should show him and interview him.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:01 am

    This is horseshit. With all due respect FP, wanting revenge without killing is absurd,

    So Russia moving an S-400 battery to Syria and shooting down two F-16s over Turkey and killing two Turkish pilots will solve everything?

    The sheer absurdity of this situation when you have people shot down for something Turkey does day in, day out on other people's airspaces is staggering. It's absurd. Absurd. Not only that, but the whole welcome committee for the SAR wasn't exactly some mishap either.

    The turkish air force has violated Greek airspace thousands of times a year for the last few years...

    Russia should actually destroy all tourism industry in Turkey by various means for a starter.

    I hope you mean by not going there on holiday rather than going with assault rifles and bombs...

    Shouldn't this be rather taken as NATO shooting down a Russian plane and killing its personal? As such, Russia has the righteousness to strike back against NATO countries and its personal?

    Also, what do you think Russia should do? Escalate and strike one of their air force bases maybe? That would be quite direct and decisive, but not that grand and lasting tho i think.

    There is no benefit to Russia in killing Turkish pilots, but clearly they must now see Turkey as a supporter of its opponents in Syria and treat them as such.

    I rather suspect cooperation with Turkey will grind to a halt... Turkey is of course entitled to its own interests and they clearly do not coincide with Russian interests in the region... but then Russia should not support the Turkish economy either as that is now not in their interests... perhaps pipelines can take different routes...

    Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    I suspect they were hoping for cooperation in dealing with terrorists in the country you share a border with.... instead a stab in the back. It is ok... you wanted to make a clear message to russia and you have. I am sure only cruise missiles and toss bomb attacks will be used near your borders so there will be no risk of Russian aircraft violating your precious air space.

    Do you think if the situation was reversed and Russian fighters shot down turkish aircraft violating Syrian air space and did not apologise for the deaths of the Turkish aircrew that relations with Russia would stay the same? Honestly?

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    Russian forces are in the region to end a conflict, but if Turkey continues to support a terrorist organisation it will need to come to terms with the fact that at some stage it will get its fingers burned. This was a preemptive slap by Turkey... I doubt they will up and leave Syria.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747

    MH17 had nothing to do with the Russian military and the Korean airlines 007 was believed to be a US spy plane that had just flown over two of the most top secret Soviet military testing ranges. When they found out it was a civilian airliner they apologised.


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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  milforum.net on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:19 am

    Khepesh wrote:Shoigu confirms navigator of the Su-24 has been rescued alive and well and is now back at the airbase. http://ria.ru/world/20151125/1327995786.html

    edit: Shoigu said that it was a joint operation between Russian and Syrian spetsnaz that lasted 12 hours.

    Seen details if any own casulties during the operation?

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Khepesh on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:23 am

    Last night in Ulyanovsk the offices of Turkish owned brewery Efes Rus was attacked. Turkish flag was torn down and pelted with eggs and flag of Russia and VDV was raised in it's place. http://dnr24.com/main/15970-v-ulyanovske-bylo-soversheno-napadenie-na-ofis-tureckoy-anadolu-efes.html

    It says Erdogan is a bastard dick



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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Khepesh on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:25 am

    milforum.net wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Shoigu confirms navigator of the Su-24 has been rescued alive and well and is now back at the airbase. http://ria.ru/world/20151125/1327995786.html

    edit: Shoigu said that it was a joint operation between Russian and Syrian spetsnaz that lasted 12 hours.

    Seen details if any own casulties during the operation?
    Nothing, it's a bit too soon I think and likely all who took part, and the navigator, are still asleep as it took place all night.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  ali.a.r on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:59 am

    I believe that smiliar boycotts of Turkish business, and Turkey itself is the way to go. As many people have mentioned Russia is the 2nd biggest source of tourists in Turkey. Evacuate all Russian citizens, apart from diplomats, and impose travel bans to Turkey for Russians. That alone should have a big impact, not to mention that people from other countries are also going to have less incentive to travel to Turkey. That should have a bigger nationwide effect than shooting down Turk planes in retaliation.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Rodinazombie on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:17 am

    Btw, has anyone considered that the thread starter may well be one of the trolls from mp.net?

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Acheron on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:19 am

    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    I am not blaming the Turkish people for what happened (even though they voted for AKP), but directly Erdogan and co. who planned and gave the go ahead for this clearly premeditated ambush. Turkey itself regularly violates the airspaces of other countries (Greece/Armenia/Iraq/Syria) and have even gone on record saying that "minor violations of airspace should not be grounds for shooting" after its jet was downed by Syria. Since Russia is prestige-bound to not let this one simply be forgotten (NATO is closely watching), expect a certain spectrum of retaliatory measures against Turkish economic/geopolitical interests. The key here is for Erdogan to take what is probably coming on the chin and not to counter-escalate. On the bright side, there will be no genocide and mass murder.

    PS: Might I suggest voting for some Kemalists or HDP (socialists?) next time around. With them at the helm, I imagine that the status quo would not have been disturbed so brazenly...



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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:19 am

    Rodinazombie wrote:Btw, has anyone considered that the thread starter may well be one of the trolls from mp.net?

    The fact that after that incident turks and scandinavians are joining our forum and are admittingly from russophobic right wing forums themselfs tells enough to why they are here.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Acheron on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:27 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Shoigu confirms navigator of the Su-24 has been rescued alive and well and is now back at the airbase. http://ria.ru/world/20151125/1327995786.html

    Then they should show him and interview him.

    They are probably biding for time while trying to set up a major conference right about now, to show the pilot and let him tell his side of the story all at the same time. This would have a much greater PR impact.


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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:30 am

    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    This is clearly an MP troll or some such nut.

    So you want "your border" or rather Syrian territory overrun with your own ISIS terrorists?

    Anyone who flies NEAR to Turdkey defeating ISIS needs to be killed?

    Hope your terrorist joke of a "country" is lying in rubble pretty soon.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:33 am

    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder

    You mean mass murder caused by your own country's support for ISIS and associated monsters.
    Come off it, its out in the open now. We KNOW what Turkey is about.

    Condemn the atrocities of your country. Tell us what you're going to do about it.
    Otherwise, you're no different to another member of ISIS or Al Qaeda.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:39 am

    Firebird wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    This is clearly an MP troll or some such nut.

    So you want "your border" or rather Syrian territory overrun with your own ISIS terrorists?

    Anyone who flies NEAR to Turdkey defeating ISIS needs to be killed?

    Hope your terrorist joke of a "country" is lying in rubble pretty soon.

    Will you lay off the guy? Jeez

    He makes a fair point, that Turkey warned before and had the right to protect its airspace.
    He agrees too that the action taken was way out of line.

    Of course the wider context is important here; Erdogan was mad at Russia not for crossing Turkey's airspace, but for liquidating his pet Islamists in the Lakatia region; and wanted to enforce a 'no-fly' zone of his own.

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:43 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    This is clearly an MP troll or some such nut.

    So you want "your border" or rather Syrian territory overrun with your own ISIS terrorists?

    Anyone who flies NEAR to Turdkey defeating ISIS needs to be killed?

    Hope your terrorist joke of a "country" is lying in rubble pretty soon.

    Will you lay off the guy? Jeez

    He makes a fair point, that Turkey warned before and had the right to protect its airspace.
    He agrees too that the action taken was way out of line.

    Of course the wider context is important here; Erdogan was mad at Russia not for crossing Turkey's airspace, but for liquidating his pet Islamists in the Lakatia region; and wanted to enforce a 'no-fly' zone of his own.

    They did not protect their country they protect their terrorists and the money they earn by that. So don't play fucking stupid or are you such an imbecile?

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:45 am

    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    I'm sorry for the idiots here who scream for genocide, most of them are not actually Russian. I don't know any Russians who scream for genocide of Turks - there are many mixed marriages and so on. It makes me very sad thinking about such things.

    If the pilots had been rescued successfully; or if the rebels had at least captured them but treated them humanely as by Geneva Conventions, and there was further no loss of life following an ambushed rescue mission - then I think this incident wouldn't have affected ordinary people's perceptions of anything. A Su-24M is just a machine, I don't feel sorry for it if its destroyed. Mistake made, pilot's made an error, Turks were too trigger happy - slight expenses over the loss of the plane, but no big deal.

    But our 2 guys that died will generate bad blood, it's inevitable. They had no chance to defend themselves; they were just slaughtered. And of course Erdogan is directly to blame for this. Everyone understands that he did it to protect his Islamist allies in Latakia, not because of some slight airspace violation. This action was premeditated and designed to send a message to Russia, and this message got our servicemen killed.
    And the Turkish government's reaction is simply rubbing it in even more. If the Turkish government had immediately contacted Russia after the incident, avoided taking a public position or justifying anything, much less convening NATO over it - again, much trouble could have been avoided.


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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Mustafa on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:48 am

    Acheron wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    I am not blaming the Turkish people for what happened (even though they voted for AKP), but directly Erdogan and co. who planned and gave the go ahead for this clearly premeditated ambush. Turkey itself regularly violates the airspaces of other countries (Greece/Armenia/Iraq/Syria) and have even gone on record saying that "minor violations of airspace should not be grounds for shooting" after its jet was downed by Syria. Since Russia is prestige-bound to not let this one simply be forgotten (NATO is closely watching), expect a certain spectrum of retaliatory measures against Turkish economic/geopolitical interests. The key here is for Erdogan to take what is probably coming on the chin and not to counter-escalate. On the bright side, there will be no genocide and mass murder.

    PS: Might I suggest voting for some Kemalists or HDP (socialists?) next time around. With them at the helm, I imagine that the status quo would not have been disturbed so brazenly...


    I hate the HDP...its inside enemy of my country. I voted CHP (kemalist). I´m not supporting the AKP. But Erdogan is our president and i don´t stand against my nations president.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Khepesh on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:48 am

    RT reporter says he spoke with the rescued navigator at breakfast, and that there will be an interview later. I suspect there will be press conference in Moscow and Syria later. https://www.rt.com/news/323388-second-pilot-kosarev-rescue/ The dead pilot has been officially named as Podpolkovnik Oleg Anatolevich Peshkov and he has been posthumously awarded title of Hero of Russian Federation


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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Acheron on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:49 am

    Rodinazombie wrote:Btw, has anyone considered that the thread starter may well be one of the trolls from mp.net?

    Maybe. However, he is, so far, being more reasonable than "telkon" and other fanatical gray wolves/AKP supporters on mp.net. In any case, it is quite possible that other decent people from Turkey might stumble into this thread, so having this thread filled with threats of genocide/nukes/etc against Turkish people is probably not the best idea (although understandable from a purely emotional point of view).

    PS: Before people accuse me of being an apologist of Turkey's actions, I think I made myself clear that I am very far from it. I am as angry as most people in this thread, and my initial response when I learned of the details of what happened was close to that of Kotemore's (and a few others). This does not obviate the fact that knee-jerk responses in the spirit of "hurr...durr..burn all turks!111" are extraneous, abusive, and unhelpful (the Putin meme about Turkey and Christmas is pretty good though).


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