SturmGuard wrote:I can't believe I am going to write this....
...but what the hell has gotten in most of you?
You act and write in the most irrational and illogical way. Let my exemplify this by comparing the outrage and things being said about Turkey and Turks to the level of anti-Russian actions and rhetorics they have displayed.
You literally went full retard over a single plane that was performing bombing runs in a foreign country, while there was less outrage, resolve and hate about all those blatantly anti-Russian rhetorics, actions (more like murders, crimes) over the past year displayed by the West and Ukraine. A neighbouring, historically Russian land.
You then proceeded to mention all those conflicts of the past between two imperial powers. Yet the fact still remains that Russians themselves killed far more Russians than Turks, and more recently. Should I go on about this topic?
At the same time, we read here about opinions of German and French, or British and US politicans and people, comment them. Well, for starters, all of them were major Russian enemies at one point, and some continued to be to this day. Be it Catholic Church, Napoleon, Drang nach Osten, The Great Game, World Wars, Nazis, Cold War. Speaking of ruthlesness and barbaric crimes and attributing them to Turks while somehow conveniently forgetting that no one came even close to Westerners when it comes to mass murder/genocide, exploitation and conquest.
You speak about Turkey with disgust, label them as terrorist supporters, while practically NATO is in bed with terrorism exporters, funded and equipped original Syrian terrorists (Croatia included, we all remember those cargo planes leaving ladden with weapons). These murderes of Russian pilot were proclaimed moderate by the "friends of Syria", they received western weapons, training and support.
The initial plot was to use media propaganda campaign to brand every single nutjob as democratic opposition, when they failed in that, they quickly invented "moderates", now they are trying to replace IS with "democratic Arab tribal army opposed to IS (?!)". Every single day we heard about West arming "anti-IS" "moderates" yet no one saw them actually fight IS, IF or Al-Nusra.
Of all the people, I can't believe that I, an ardent and convinced anti-Turk, be it Ottomans, Kemalists or Islamists, have to write common sense here.
I guess it is easier to vent on a vasal, poorer and less developed state, than on actual string-pullers, all the while secretly hopping that the West embraces you as part of their culture.
Friend I like what you want to say, but as a Hrvat just shut the Fuck up. You were mostly spared what we had to endure, basically because those dumbfuck Serbians, Albanians and other such Slavic and non-Slavic ethnies had to deal with Osman Bey.
Before you desacrate the memory of my ancestors by calling my reaction an atavic hot-piss, wash your mouth and step the fucking back a mile or two. If you think we're venting at a vassal, maybe you should check what we're talking about. The dude is not talking about some grand scheme of affairs, he's talking the very same shit that was happening 20 years aback at home, your home, my home. Only this time it's Syrians that are paying the price. It's already twice the dead and wounded from half a decade of civil wars in the Balkans all this in little more than 3 years, since the war become real hot.
If you don't understand that there's a cancer in Turkish collective litmus, then you don't get the point of why I keep ranting at Mustafa.
We don't care about NATO in this case, because it isn't NATO doing the wet work, It's the Saudis, the Turks and those Syrians that the war has left stranded. Conversely the Iranian and Russian intervention aren't making things easier for those Syrians that either have no choice but staying put or outright prefer the Khilafat folks or any other such BS.
But Worse, it's even more pointless to protest an Atomic Club like NATO while their "poodle" as you put it, is the one killing Syrians it doesn't like. It's also that poodle that has developped that nasty habit, fixers/pushers should never develop, which is getting hooked on their own product. Turkish foreign policy is indeed a joke and a sign of moral decadence (as going back to Grorious Times is, something you could also address to Russia at first glance) but it's also killing as much people as the US one on the region.
Now you sit down and stop your revolutionnary, contrarian mumbo jumbo, Mustafa wanted to talk, we're talking. Period.
Forgive my harsh words, but you're taking some folks for idiots here.