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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Mustafa on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:51 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    I'm sorry for the idiots here who scream for genocide, most of them are not actually Russian. I don't know any Russians who scream for genocide of Turks - there are many mixed marriages and so on. It makes me very sad thinking about such things.

    If the pilots had been rescued successfully; or if the rebels had at least captured them but treated them humanely as by Geneva Conventions, and there was further no loss of life following an ambushed rescue mission - then I think this incident wouldn't have affected ordinary people's perceptions of anything. A Su-24M is just a machine, I don't feel sorry for it if its destroyed. Mistake made, pilot's made an error, Turks were too trigger happy - slight expenses over the loss of the plane, but no big deal.

    But our 2 guys that died will generate bad blood, it's inevitable. They had no chance to defend themselves; they were just slaughtered. And of course Erdogan is directly to blame for this. Everyone understands that he did it to protect his Islamist allies in Latakia, not because of some slight airspace violation. This action was premeditated and designed to send a message to Russia, and this message got our servicemen killed.
    And the Turkish government's reaction is simply rubbing it in even more. If the Turkish government had immediately contacted Russia after the incident, avoided taking a public position or justifying anything, much less convening NATO over it - again, much trouble could have been avoided.

    I know and i feel sorry about that. But what happened happened and i understand things are too heated up right now to have clear ideas.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:52 am

    Werewolf wrote:They did not protect their country they protect their terrorists and the money they earn by that. So don't play fucking stupid or are you such an imbecile?

    Of course they did, but legally speaking, they did have the right to protect their territory too - assuming the Russian airplane crossed into their airspace. Russian planes entered Turkish airspace not just once, but several times over the course of the past weeks; and the Russian military was given warnings before.

    Of course in practice everyone violates everyone else's airspace all the time, and virtually no-one exercises this right and doesn't have such rules of engagement; this is what points to Turkey's ulterior motives here.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:01 pm

    Shitheads wrote:Shouldn't this be rather taken as NATO shooting down a Russian plane and killing its personal? As such, Russia has the righteousness to strike back against NATO countries and its personal?

    Also, what do you think Russia should do? Escalate and strike one of their air force bases maybe? That would be quite direct and decisive, but not that grand and lasting tho i think.

    It's fairly obvious that none of this has anything to do with NATO and everything to do with Erdogan and his cohorts; Davutoglu, Fidan, etc... and their private little ambitions and interests.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:03 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    This is clearly an MP troll or some such nut.

    So you want "your border" or rather Syrian territory overrun with your own ISIS terrorists?

    Anyone who flies NEAR to Turdkey defeating ISIS needs to be killed?

    Hope your terrorist joke of a "country" is lying in rubble pretty soon.

    Will you lay off the guy? Jeez

    He makes a fair point, that Turkey warned before and had the right to protect its airspace.
    He agrees too that the action taken was way out of line.

    Of course the wider context is important here; Erdogan was mad at Russia not for crossing Turkey's airspace, but for liquidating his pet Islamists in the Lakatia region; and wanted to enforce a 'no-fly' zone of his own.

    Christ you're as as bad as his shit.
    "Defending your airspace" does NOT mean shooting down Russian planes. THAT is an act of state terror.

    Terdogan was boasting beforehand how he would shoot down Russian planes. And he boasted after how he had no qualms about doing so.

    Even later on, the poster talked about a "final warning" then killing the pilots was acceptable.

    This is a little cunt, most likely working for a Turdkish newspaper, hoping to trip people up, and have juicy quotes to relay to his pro terror puppet masters.

    And more than once, you've gone along with the "Turkey has a right to shoot" bullshit.

    REPEAT:Turkey had NO right to shoot down Russian jets. It CHOSE to, as part of its support of terrorism.

    And remember, how many times has Turdkey invaded Armenia in recent times?HUNDREDS!

    Get your tongue out of the devil's throat!

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Rodinazombie on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:03 pm



    Now more than ever russians need a cold (cool) head,
    The very cold head of erdogan

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:05 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Shitheads wrote:Shouldn't this be rather taken as NATO shooting down a Russian plane and killing its personal? As such, Russia has the righteousness to strike back against NATO countries and its personal?

    Also, what do you think Russia should do? Escalate and strike one of their air force bases maybe? That would be quite direct and decisive, but not that grand and lasting tho i think.

    It's fairly obvious that none of this has anything to do with NATO and everything to do with Erdogan and his cohorts; Davutoglu, Fidan, etc... and their private little ambitions and interests.

    Its EVERYTHING to do with NATO. The British media yday was priming everyone about "Remove evil Assad this" , "oops deary me, little mistake". All bullshit. The big game is NATO geopolitical ambitions. The fact 100s of civillians in Europe get murdered? NATO couldnt give a shit.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:08 pm

    Mustafa wrote:
    Acheron wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    I am not blaming the Turkish people for what happened (even though they voted for AKP), but directly Erdogan and co. who planned and gave the go ahead for this clearly premeditated ambush. Turkey itself regularly violates the airspaces of other countries (Greece/Armenia/Iraq/Syria) and have even gone on record saying that "minor violations of airspace should not be grounds for shooting" after its jet was downed by Syria. Since Russia is prestige-bound to not let this one simply be forgotten (NATO is closely watching), expect a certain spectrum of retaliatory measures against Turkish economic/geopolitical interests. The key here is for Erdogan to take what is probably coming on the chin and not to counter-escalate. On the bright side, there will be no genocide and mass murder.

    PS: Might I suggest voting for some Kemalists or HDP (socialists?) next time around. With them at the helm, I imagine that the status quo would not have been disturbed so brazenly...


    I hate the HDP...its inside enemy of my country. I voted CHP (kemalist). I´m not supporting the AKP. But Erdogan is our president and i don´t stand against my nations president.

    Then you are clearly a terrorist as well. I hope some Kurds (or undercover ops) put a bullet in your head.
    And I mean that absolutely literally.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Khepesh on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:14 pm

    Turkey is simply one of many puppets dangling from the hands Karabas Barabas in Washington as all the strings of these puppets eventually lead back there. Buratino needs to visit...

    While the statistics show German tourists to be highest to Turkey, the reality is that it is Russian, as most of the "German" tourists are Turks, no matter what passport they hold.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:18 pm

    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    There are NO similar events, all the rest are accidents even criminal negligence, but not like this one. If it was the same than let's say KAL, your country would have come forward with some kind of joint commission to investigate. But you're not. What your country is doing, is spreading bullshit about how the pilots are alive and how you're doing everything to get them back. While we know also now that the Turkmens on the ground which the Turkish state supports killed at least one and probably severely wounded/killed the other.

    In this case, your border was only skirted ONCE. As many are saying, the fact Turkish AF prepared to strike anyway even though the Russians would simply pass, without much aggression, means it wasn't about the border, it was about shooting down a plane that the rebels couldn't shoot down. Shooting down of that airplane wasn't too much it was THE POINT of this shit show. With what your AF and government did and is doing IN Syria this isn't an accident.
    Now either you represent your gov and people, either you don't, in any case there's no compensation offer or demand. The people who prepared that ambush and who waited for a pretext were in my book. That's playing political games with your people's lives. And as I told you, your Turkmen kinsmen are going to suffer for this.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Mustafa on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:19 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:
    Acheron wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    I am not blaming the Turkish people for what happened (even though they voted for AKP), but directly Erdogan and co. who planned and gave the go ahead for this clearly premeditated ambush. Turkey itself regularly violates the airspaces of other countries (Greece/Armenia/Iraq/Syria) and have even gone on record saying that "minor violations of airspace should not be grounds for shooting" after its jet was downed by Syria. Since Russia is prestige-bound to not let this one simply be forgotten (NATO is closely watching), expect a certain spectrum of retaliatory measures against Turkish economic/geopolitical interests. The key here is for Erdogan to take what is probably coming on the chin and not to counter-escalate. On the bright side, there will be no genocide and mass murder.

    PS: Might I suggest voting for some Kemalists or HDP (socialists?) next time around. With them at the helm, I imagine that the status quo would not have been disturbed so brazenly...


    I hate the HDP...its inside enemy of my country. I voted CHP (kemalist). I´m not supporting the AKP. But Erdogan is our president and i don´t stand against my nations president.

    Then you are clearly a terrorist as well. I hope some Kurds (or undercover ops) put a bullet in your head.
    And I mean that absolutely literally.

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    I don´t know why you wish death on me and i don´t understand your hate. I´m not scum, my family is not scum, my people are not scum and my country is not scum. I won´t go down on your level and you won´t trigger me to a response as low as yours. You don´t speak for your nation. You speak only for yourself and propably not even that.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  whir on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:21 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Of course they did, but legally speaking, they did have the right to protect their territory too - assuming the Russian airplane crossed into their airspace. Russian planes entered Turkish airspace not just once, but several times over the course of the past weeks; and the Russian military was given warnings before.

    Of course in practice everyone violates everyone else's airspace all the time, and virtually no-one exercises this right and doesn't have such rules of engagement; this is what points to Turkey's ulterior motives here.
    Sorry but there's no right of self defence without threat, this was politically motivated and approved directly from above; previous warnings were issued to pave the road for this shot down the same way the TV crew and the TOW team weren't spontaneous.

    And probably next time Russian personnel is not going to be harmed by minor violations but in advance as a preventive measure.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:22 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    This is clearly an MP troll or some such nut.

    So you want "your border" or rather Syrian territory overrun with your own ISIS terrorists?

    Anyone who flies NEAR to Turdkey defeating ISIS needs to be killed?

    Hope your terrorist joke of a "country" is lying in rubble pretty soon.

    Will you lay off the guy? Jeez

    He makes a fair point, that Turkey warned before and had the right to protect its airspace.
    He agrees too that the action taken was way out of line.

    Of course the wider context is important here; Erdogan was mad at Russia not for crossing Turkey's airspace, but for liquidating his pet Islamists in the Lakatia region; and wanted to enforce a 'no-fly' zone of his own.

    There's no wider context here, that's the only context. The Turkish AF goes wide on a number of airspaces, the words fo Erdogan about the RF-4 were crystal clear. Minor tresspassing can't be a reason for shooting down a plane (FFS even by a country you're attacking, ATTACKING). As for what he agrees, that's irrelevant. What is relevant is that Turkey's wings over Syria are about to be clipped. Turkish incursions over Kurdish areas will be fun to watch from now on. Like a Liveleak reel waiting to happen.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:24 pm

    Why join this forum now? To cheer for terrorist action and your worthless life who supports terrorism by that you are by definition a terrorist yourself because terrorism comes from Terror, spreading fear by verbal and mostly physical progroms and since you come here only for one reason on a specific russian forum not some kurd forum not some syrian forum but a russian forum your intentions are very clear. He is right a bullet to the head to all terrorists.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:41 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Why join this forum now? To cheer for terrorist action and your worthless life who supports terrorism by that you are by definition a terrorist yourself because terrorism comes from Terror, spreading fear by verbal and mostly physical progroms and since you come here only for one reason on a specific russian forum not some kurd forum not some syrian forum but a russian forum your intentions are very clear. He is right a bullet to the head to all terrorists.

    Jesus, come on. There are dozens of things that count. There were a lot of Arab people trying to make it less harder by 9/11. There were also a lot of arab people screaming death in forums back when Iraqi war started, they weren't all paid trolls of Saddam. Maybe the he's a sent guy who would like to say hello. Maybe.

    And as this forum isn't like others, let him be. He's replied lke 5 times. He's the better solution to a guy like D-force. Cool. And what ever he says, Turkey lined up for a dose of revenge. Period.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:43 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Why join this forum now? To cheer for terrorist action and your worthless life who supports terrorism by that you are by definition a terrorist yourself because terrorism comes from Terror, spreading fear by verbal and mostly physical progroms and since you come here only for one reason on a specific russian forum not some kurd forum not some syrian forum but a russian forum your intentions are very clear. He is right a bullet to the head to all terrorists.

    Jesus, come on. There are dozens of things that count. There were a lot of Arab people trying to make it less harder by 9/11. There were also a lot of arab people screaming death in forums back when Iraqi war started, they weren't all paid trolls of Saddam. Maybe the he's a sent guy who would like to say hello. Maybe.

    And as this forum isn't like others, let him be. He's replied lke 5 times. He's the better solution to a guy like D-force. Cool. And what ever he says, Turkey lined up for a dose of revenge. Period.

    Sure what a coincidence that they come now, not yesterday, not a week ago just now and the first thing this "nice people" engage in is this very thread. Don't play dumb pal.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:50 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Why join this forum now? To cheer for terrorist action and your worthless life who supports terrorism by that you are by definition a terrorist yourself because terrorism comes from Terror, spreading fear by verbal and mostly physical progroms and since you come here only for one reason on a specific russian forum not some kurd forum not some syrian forum but a russian forum your intentions are very clear. He is right a bullet to the head to all terrorists.

    Jesus, come on. There are dozens of things that count. There were a lot of Arab people trying to make it less harder by 9/11. There were also a lot of arab people screaming death in forums back when Iraqi war started, they weren't all paid trolls of Saddam. Maybe the he's a sent guy who would like to say hello. Maybe.

    And as this forum isn't like others, let him be. He's replied lke 5 times. He's the better solution to a guy like D-force. Cool. And what ever he says, Turkey lined up for a dose of revenge. Period.

    Sure what a coincidence that they come now, not yesterday, not a week ago just now and the first thing this "nice people" engage in is this very thread. Don't play dumb pal.

    OMg, off course he came for THAT attack. I just said it doesn't mean he's paid troll to test the waters alone. And if he was, it's dozen times better than shitheads like D-force and the gang. There might be a genuine effort to mellow down some of the Internet rhetoric vs Turkey right now, indeed. But that's not going to fly given the bullshit they're telling. So yeah, you tell me that I play dumb, I'm telling you that if he really is a troll, then the best way to get them off is not to blow your steam at it, because that's what trolls do.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:56 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    OMg, off course he came for THAT attack. I just said it doesn't mean he's paid troll to test the waters alone. And if he was, it's dozen times better than shitheads like D-force and the gang. There might be a genuine effort to mellow down some of the Internet rhetoric vs Turkey right now, indeed. But that's not going to fly given the bullshit they're telling. So yeah, you tell me that I play dumb, I'm telling you that if he really is a troll, then the best way to get them off is not to blow your steam at it, because that's what trolls do.

    Never said anything about being paid troll, he is disgusting subhuman that joined the forum to cheer on that for no other reason so spare me this nonsense. He violates forum rules of not trolling, coming here for only one reason to troll is forum rule breakage even when he is not doing it in such disgusting manner like pakistannavy did.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:58 pm

    Mustafa wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:
    Acheron wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    I am not blaming the Turkish people for what happened (even though they voted for AKP), but directly Erdogan and co. who planned and gave the go ahead for this clearly premeditated ambush. Turkey itself regularly violates the airspaces of other countries (Greece/Armenia/Iraq/Syria) and have even gone on record saying that "minor violations of airspace should not be grounds for shooting" after its jet was downed by Syria. Since Russia is prestige-bound to not let this one simply be forgotten (NATO is closely watching), expect a certain spectrum of retaliatory measures against Turkish economic/geopolitical interests. The key here is for Erdogan to take what is probably coming on the chin and not to counter-escalate. On the bright side, there will be no genocide and mass murder.

    PS: Might I suggest voting for some Kemalists or HDP (socialists?) next time around. With them at the helm, I imagine that the status quo would not have been disturbed so brazenly...


    I hate the HDP...its inside enemy of my country. I voted CHP (kemalist). I´m not supporting the AKP. But Erdogan is our president and i don´t stand against my nations president.

    Then you are clearly a terrorist as well. I hope some Kurds (or undercover ops) put a bullet in your head.
    And I mean that absolutely literally.

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    I don´t know why you wish death on me and i don´t understand your hate. I´m not scum, my family is not scum, my people are not scum and my country is not scum. I won´t go down on your level and you won´t trigger me to a response as low as yours. You don´t speak for your nation. You speak only for yourself and propably not even that.

    Time and again I've pointed out why we are outraged at your posts.
    Time and again you have taunted us.
    This was an act of terror, one of many by your idols.
    It had no justification whatsoever, as you know full well.
    Russia acted as a FRIENDLY state throughout.
    Reread the details we have posted.
    You've been invited MANY times to denounce the evils commited by Erdogan and co.
    YOU DECLINED AND CONTINUED TO A SICKENING PR EXERCISE.

    I don't need a fucking terrorist supporter to tell ME who I do/don't speak for. Or MY country.

    Your country is the same as Nazi Germany. Not all its nationals were/are evil. But enough to justify a MASSIVE response from Russia and/or NATO or some of its members.

    You support terrorism, you defend it. And you say "I won't go down to your level".
    Let me repeat, you are scum. I wish you painful death.

    And give the family and country bullshit a break. All it does is reinforce the view that Turdkeys are braindead fanatics. A massive supporter of ISIS is evil, pure and simple.

    I don't "hate" you (my pulse is at 42), because you're a pathetic, brainless no-body, with a joke of a "God". I pity your miserable walking corpse. You're nothing but a diseased spirit spouting lies and propaganda. Ending your living dead existence would be doing the world a big favour. I say that logically and without any anger.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:59 pm

    Mustafa wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:
    Acheron wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    I am not blaming the Turkish people for what happened (even though they voted for AKP), but directly Erdogan and co. who planned and gave the go ahead for this clearly premeditated ambush. Turkey itself regularly violates the airspaces of other countries (Greece/Armenia/Iraq/Syria) and have even gone on record saying that "minor violations of airspace should not be grounds for shooting" after its jet was downed by Syria. Since Russia is prestige-bound to not let this one simply be forgotten (NATO is closely watching), expect a certain spectrum of retaliatory measures against Turkish economic/geopolitical interests. The key here is for Erdogan to take what is probably coming on the chin and not to counter-escalate. On the bright side, there will be no genocide and mass murder.

    PS: Might I suggest voting for some Kemalists or HDP (socialists?) next time around. With them at the helm, I imagine that the status quo would not have been disturbed so brazenly...


    I hate the HDP...its inside enemy of my country. I voted CHP (kemalist). I´m not supporting the AKP. But Erdogan is our president and i don´t stand against my nations president.

    Then you are clearly a terrorist as well. I hope some Kurds (or undercover ops) put a bullet in your head.
    And I mean that absolutely literally.

    Message:-
    Even the so called "nice guys in Turkey" are scum. I wish lots of death and misery on your vile type.

    This is where our holiday money goes...

    I don´t know why you wish death on me and i don´t understand your hate. I´m not scum, my family is not scum, my people are not scum and my country is not scum. I won´t go down on your level and you won´t trigger me to a response as low as yours. You don´t speak for your nation. You speak only for yourself and propably not even that.

    BTW there is an ignore function somewhere in your user profile, you might find it more useful to ignore the more hateful posters rather than bothering to respond to them.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:02 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:
    Acheron wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    I am not blaming the Turkish people for what happened (even though they voted for AKP), but directly Erdogan and co. who planned and gave the go ahead for this clearly premeditated ambush. Turkey itself regularly violates the airspaces of other countries (Greece/Armenia/Iraq/Syria) and have even gone on record saying that "minor violations of airspace should not be grounds for shooting" after its jet was downed by Syria. Since Russia is prestige-bound to not let this one simply be forgotten (NATO is closely watching), expect a certain spectrum of retaliatory measures against Turkish economic/geopolitical interests. The key here is for Erdogan to take what is probably coming on the chin and not to counter-escalate. On the bright side, there will be no genocide and mass murder.

    PS: Might I suggest voting for some Kemalists or HDP (socialists?) next time around. With them at the helm, I imagine that the status quo would not have been disturbed so brazenly...


    I hate the HDP...its inside enemy of my country. I voted CHP (kemalist). I´m not supporting the AKP. But Erdogan is our president and i don´t stand against my nations president.

    Then you are clearly a terrorist as well. I hope some Kurds (or undercover ops) put a bullet in your head.
    And I mean that absolutely literally.

    Message:-
    Even the so called "nice guys in Turkey" are scum. I wish lots of death and misery on your vile type.

    This is where our holiday money goes...

    I don´t know why you wish death on me and i don´t understand your hate. I´m not scum, my family is not scum, my people are not scum and my country is not scum. I won´t go down on your level and you won´t trigger me to a response as low as yours. You don´t speak for your nation. You speak only for yourself and propably not even that.

    Time and again I've pointed out why we are outraged at your posts.
    Time and again you have taunted us.
    This was an act of terror, one of many by your idols.
    It had no justification whatsoever, as you know full well.
    Russia acted as a FRIENDLY state throughout.
    Reread the details we have posted.
    You've been invited MANY times to denounce the evils commited by Erdogan and co.
    YOU DECLINED AND CONTINUED TO A SICKENING PR EXERCISE.

    I don't need a fucking terrorist supporter to tell ME who I do/don't speak for. Or MY country.

    Your country is the same as Nazi Germany. Not all its nationals were/are evil. But enough to justify a MASSIVE response from Russia and/or NATO or some of its members.

    You support terrorism, you defend it. And you say "I won't go down to your level".
    Let me repeat, you are scum. I wish you painful death.

    And give the family and country bullshit a break. All it does is reinforce the view that Turdkeys are braindead fanatics. A massive supporter of ISIS is evil, pure and simple.

    I don't "hate" you (my pulse is at 42), because you're a pathetic, brainless no-body, with a joke of a "God". I pity your miserable walking corpse. You're nothing but a diseased spirit spouting lies and propaganda. Ending your living dead existence would be doing the world a big favour. I say that logically and without any anger.

    You talk about evil terrorists but with your rhetoric you are very much approaching their standards, and how they view the world and other human life. My advice is to calm down, you'll be ashamed over what you're saying now later on.

    And again as mad as it may make you, I'll repeat it again - we share some of the blame too.


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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:05 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Why join this forum now? To cheer for terrorist action and your worthless life who supports terrorism by that you are by definition a terrorist yourself because terrorism comes from Terror, spreading fear by verbal and mostly physical progroms and since you come here only for one reason on a specific russian forum not some kurd forum not some syrian forum but a russian forum your intentions are very clear. He is right a bullet to the head to all terrorists.

    Jesus, come on. There are dozens of things that count. There were a lot of Arab people trying to make it less harder by 9/11. There were also a lot of arab people screaming death in forums back when Iraqi war started, they weren't all paid trolls of Saddam. Maybe the he's a sent guy who would like to say hello. Maybe.

    And as this forum isn't like others, let him be. He's replied lke 5 times. He's the better solution to a guy like D-force. Cool. And what ever he says, Turkey lined up for a dose of revenge. Period.

    I remember the amount of time I spent attacking the USA AND Blair for their attack on Iraq.
    I only look at whats right and wrong. None of this "I back the president" filth.

    This snake is trying to portray US as fanatics, while he spouts his "it was Russia's fault and I stand by my president" filth.

    The truth is that being a two faced snake is "normal" in Arab/Turk cultures. Russians and Europeans (English upper class excluded) cant act in such a duplicitous way.

    Look at this Mustafa's posts and it's just a terrorist using some pr words. It deserves only death and misery.


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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:05 pm

    It seems that the most hot-headed and emotional Russia-supporters come from the Balkan countries and the actual Russians are a lot less emotional. Is that correct?


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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Firebird on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:07 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:
    Acheron wrote:
    Mustafa wrote:Look...i already said that i´m sorry for what happened and alot of my people share this idea. I find it strange that i must read here genocide comments from people who want our country destroyed and genocide put on us.

    Russia had similar events with much greater desaster. MH17 for example or the shot down of the korean 747. Things like this happen and it is sad when such things happen. I believe that our nations will figure this out.

    Russia did provocate alot and corssed our boarder multiple times. Our boarder must be protected and i´m sure russia would defend its boarder as well. I already said shooting down the airplane was propably too much.

    We aren´t your enemy and if a mistake was done we will try to compensate it. Unfortunately no life that was lost can be brought back, but we aren´t evil or bad people.

    And please it would be nice if some here scale down their wishs for genocide and mass murder.

    I am not blaming the Turkish people for what happened (even though they voted for AKP), but directly Erdogan and co. who planned and gave the go ahead for this clearly premeditated ambush. Turkey itself regularly violates the airspaces of other countries (Greece/Armenia/Iraq/Syria) and have even gone on record saying that "minor violations of airspace should not be grounds for shooting" after its jet was downed by Syria. Since Russia is prestige-bound to not let this one simply be forgotten (NATO is closely watching), expect a certain spectrum of retaliatory measures against Turkish economic/geopolitical interests. The key here is for Erdogan to take what is probably coming on the chin and not to counter-escalate. On the bright side, there will be no genocide and mass murder.

    PS: Might I suggest voting for some Kemalists or HDP (socialists?) next time around. With them at the helm, I imagine that the status quo would not have been disturbed so brazenly...


    I hate the HDP...its inside enemy of my country. I voted CHP (kemalist). I´m not supporting the AKP. But Erdogan is our president and i don´t stand against my nations president.

    Then you are clearly a terrorist as well. I hope some Kurds (or undercover ops) put a bullet in your head.
    And I mean that absolutely literally.

    Message:-
    Even the so called "nice guys in Turkey" are scum. I wish lots of death and misery on your vile type.

    This is where our holiday money goes...

    I don´t know why you wish death on me and i don´t understand your hate. I´m not scum, my family is not scum, my people are not scum and my country is not scum. I won´t go down on your level and you won´t trigger me to a response as low as yours. You don´t speak for your nation. You speak only for yourself and propably not even that.

    Time and again I've pointed out why we are outraged at your posts.
    Time and again you have taunted us.
    This was an act of terror, one of many by your idols.
    It had no justification whatsoever, as you know full well.
    Russia acted as a FRIENDLY state throughout.
    Reread the details we have posted.
    You've been invited MANY times to denounce the evils commited by Erdogan and co.
    YOU DECLINED AND CONTINUED TO A SICKENING PR EXERCISE.

    I don't need a fucking terrorist supporter to tell ME who I do/don't speak for. Or MY country.

    Your country is the same as Nazi Germany. Not all its nationals were/are evil. But enough to justify a MASSIVE response from Russia and/or NATO or some of its members.

    You support terrorism, you defend it. And you say "I won't go down to your level".
    Let me repeat, you are scum. I wish you painful death.

    And give the family and country bullshit a break. All it does is reinforce the view that Turdkeys are braindead fanatics. A massive supporter of ISIS is evil, pure and simple.

    I don't "hate" you (my pulse is at 42), because you're a pathetic, brainless no-body, with a joke of a "God". I pity your miserable walking corpse. You're nothing but a diseased spirit spouting lies and propaganda. Ending your living dead existence would be doing the world a big favour. I say that logically and without any anger.

    You talk about evil terrorists but with your rhetoric you are very much approaching their standards, and how they view the world and other human life. My advice is to calm down, you'll be ashamed over what you're saying now later on.

    No I wont. But hopefully you will be about some statements. I've formulated my views over a very long time.
    The civilised world had to defeat Nazism. It has to defeat Islamic terror.
    There really is nothing for any civilised person to argue about.

    I'm done here. Mr "Smiley Happy Terrorist" can spout his shit to someone else.
    It had its chances to show good will.

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  Fred333 on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:08 pm

    "remove kebap!!!"

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    Re: Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:10 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:It seems that the most hot-headed and emontional Russia-supporters come from the Balkan countries and the actual Russians are a lot less emotional. Is that correct?

    Well Russians have no reasons to hate Turks, we had plenty of wars ofc but we left that all in the past.

    The Balkan nations on the other hand have really had some bad history with the Turks, the issues run deep.

    But nonetheless, to say that Russians aren't emotionally reacting to yesterday's events wouldn't be correct. I'm sure we have plenty of our own nutters too.
    I myself want a response but now thinking about it with a clear head, killing even Turkish servicemen in revenge over their next airspace violation would just bring more suffering, I would feel sorry for their families. The best thing to do would be to retaliate economically/politically, and put in measures (Su-30 escorts, overlapping S-400 & S-300F coverage) to make sure that no-one dares to challenge Russian aircraft in the vicinity again.

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