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    Project 955: Borei class SSBN

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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:10 pm


    I've been thinking: is it possible that Russia is sitting on Borei-K SSGN project because they are waiting for START treaty for fizzle out before starting construction to avoid needless bad PR?

    I know that it's not in contradicton to the treaty and that USA is already operating Ohio SSBNs but I would 100% expect USA to use it as one of excuses to pin the blame for treaty getting scraped on Russia.

    Waiting several months before ordering them would cost them nothing and USA would have one less possible excuse for letting START expire.






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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:32 am

    Don't you mean the Borei-K SSGN project... and you answer it yourself... the US does not want to sign it to renew it so they wont... any excuse they use would never be the real reasons anyway and whether they can justify it or not they wont be signing a new agreement any time soon so who cares what reasons they use.

    I rather suspect they want to include hypersonic weapons in both a replacement for the INF treaty and the New New START treaty... and I hope the Russians wont give up that... I am also sure the US will demand China be included but wont demand the UK or France be included too... including France and or China would mean no change of an agreement... why would they give up anything when the US and Russia have so many more much more powerful weapons?
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    Post  Hole on Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:30 am

    A few pics from the fat fellow. Very Happy

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    Post  owais.usmani on Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:16 am

    If these are recent pics of going out to white sea then we may hear about a Bulava launch in coming days.
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    Post  dino00 on Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:17 am

    Source: the head "Borey-A" "Prince Vladimir" at the end of June will resume running trials

    TASS interviewer confirmed that the missile carrier will serve in the Northern Fleet

    MOSCOW, June 14. / Tass /. Strategic missile cruiser “Prince Vladimir” of Project 955A (code “Borey-A”) at the end of June 2019 will go to sea to the second stage of factory trials. About this TASS reported a source in the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.

    “After the measurement of magnetic electric fields at the berth wall of Sevmash, Prince Vladimir will be released into the sea at the end of June to pass the second stage of the factory test run (ZHI), which will last several months,” the agency’s source said.

    He recalled that "Prince Vladimir" first went to sea at the first stage of the ZHI at the end of November 2018 and returned to Sevmash at the beginning of January 2019.

    "During the tests, some technical problems emerged, which, however, should not affect the delivery of the ship to the fleet at the end of 2019," said the source and confirmed that the missile carrier would serve in the Northern Fleet.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6548581
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    Post  hoom on Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:04 am



    Those April pics have it sitting much lower in the stern, bow up & I think generally lower.
    These new pics show it more properly as a direct variant of the original Boreis.
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:37 am

    Source: Russian Defense Ministry and USC will sign a contract for two more Boreas and two Yasen-Mattack

    The construction of four ships is expected to begin within the framework of the state armament program until 2027.



    "At the Army-2019 forum, it is planned to sign a contract of the Ministry of Defense with USC to build two more Boreev-A and two Yaseni-M in addition to the already contracted submarines of these types," the agency’s source said. He added that "the construction of four ships will begin as part of the state armament program until 2027, but they will be handed over to the fleet after it is completed."

    The construction of the Boreyev and Ash-m for the Russian Navy is being conducted by the defense shipyard Sevmash. In accordance with the state armament program, designed for the period up to 2027, eight Boreans and seven Ash trees should be built and transferred to the fleet. To date, there are three Boreas of the basic project 955 (Yuri Dolgoruky, Alexander Nevsky and Vladimir Monomakh) in the naval squadron and one Project 855 Yasen (Severodvinsk). The head submarines of the upgraded projects 955A "Prince Vladimir" and 885M "Kazan" were built and are at the stage of factory trials.


    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6588073

    2 more Yasen-M is surprising.
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    Post  Tingsay on Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:48 pm

    2 Yasens is a very happy news, indeed!

    Still not enough tho.

    Boreis are really coming along just fine.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:30 am

    Borei-A seems to be longer.

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    Post  dino00 on Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:24 pm

    Russia to complete Borei and Yasen series of nuclear-powered submarines in 2023-2024

    KUBINKA /Moscow Region/, June 27. /TASS/. Russia will complete the Borei/Borei-A series of nuclear-powered underwater strategic missile-carrying cruisers in 2023 and Yasen/Yasen-M nuclear-powered multirole subs in 2024, Sevmash Shipyard CEO Mikhail Budnichenko told TASS at the Army-2019 international military and technical forum on Thursday.

    .https://tass.com/defense/1065841

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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:34 pm

    dino00 wrote:Russia to complete Borei and Yasen series of nuclear-powered submarines in 2023-2024

    KUBINKA /Moscow Region/, June 27. /TASS/. Russia will complete the Borei/Borei-A series of nuclear-powered underwater strategic missile-carrying cruisers in 2023 and Yasen/Yasen-M nuclear-powered multirole subs in 2024, Sevmash Shipyard CEO Mikhail Budnichenko told TASS at the Army-2019 international military and technical forum on Thursday.

    .https://tass.com/defense/1065841



    What a pointless statement...

    What are​ they saying here exactly?

    That they will not cancel ships currently under construction? That they will finish only ones currently laid down? That they will complete​ all planned ships including ones not yet laid down?

    Should have just kept his mouth shut.
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    Post  hoom on Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:08 am

    I think they're saying with the special purpose subs & 'first serial' Borei-A/Yasen-M done they can focus efforts & build serial boats quicker?

    Looking at the HI Sutton drawing above with absent flank arrays & recent suggestion that Yasen-M has a Lada style conformal array, might Borei-A have same? (or modular variant)

    Makes sense to share that same tech on both types.
    Bow torps on the Borei-Adoesn't preclude the conformal array since Lada has bow torps but might mean a somewhat different setup than on the Yasen-M.
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    Post  dino00 on Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Russia to complete Borei and Yasen series of nuclear-powered submarines in 2023-2024

    KUBINKA /Moscow Region/, June 27. /TASS/. Russia will complete the Borei/Borei-A series of nuclear-powered underwater strategic missile-carrying cruisers in 2023 and Yasen/Yasen-M nuclear-powered multirole subs in 2024, Sevmash Shipyard CEO Mikhail Budnichenko told TASS at the Army-2019 international military and technical forum on Thursday.

    .https://tass.com/defense/1065841



    What a pointless statement...

    What are​ they saying here exactly?

    That they will not cancel ships currently under construction? That they will finish only ones currently laid down? That they will complete​ all planned ships including ones not yet laid down?

    Should have just kept his mouth shut.

    Don't understand your point. They are saying WHEN the current submarines being built will be completed.
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:29 am

    Russian Navy will receive several submarines of the Yasen-M and Borey-A projects in 2020

    At the same time, the construction of nuclear submarines such as "Borey-K" is not planned


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    Post  Isos on Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:49 pm


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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:23 am

    Their cruise missile armed subs will be used in conventional war so they don't need to be state of the art super stealthy... the vast majority of the countries on the planet couldn't track down a Foxtrot off their coast let alone a more modern sub like a Delta IV which could carry cruise missiles in two stacks or one stack with a greatly reduced hump size....

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