KoTeMoRe wrote:Not a chance in hell. This wasn't about airspace, nor is it about a Sukhoi a chopper and 3 soldiers/pilots. It's about Turkey trying to stop Russia from clearing the Syrian North from FSA. It's not exactly a week long feud, nor some BS about that. If the Pilots would have been returned safely and the search party was back flashing smiles, MAYBE the escalation would have been over three months later. Now, it's just planning time. Turkey is going down in Northern Syria. It's just the way things got right now. Short of and actual Turkish action in the ground there's no end to the Turkmen pain. Just because reasons.
Agreed, Erdogan tried to provoke Putin into doing something that would provoke NATO response, Putin is way too experienced and smart to fall for such a ploy. Erdogan is alone and is losing in Syria.
Erdogan can always try and stir up the comeuppance of the Turkmen into ZOMG genocide. From now on lesson learned, get right at the limit, bomb the shit out of the place, as in-distinctively as possible, as often as possible. If it Latakia till the border can be paved with dead bodies, then who cares. If you have to incinerated every living being in the area, who the hell cares.
People who know this shit better than me are livid, they're all adamant that there was no logic in firing AIM120/AIM9 towards the SU-24 crossing the border. It's shooting a man in the back while he's not trespassing any more. French pilot, friend of mine, told me that even at 300 km/h he finds the 17 second crossing for 1.85km absolutely nonsensical. Why would the Russians go so slow over a place they cannot be. If anything they had finished bombing so they would have been flying at least twice that speed. At least. It doesn't make sense, unless the Turks are actually lying and the Russians Never actually crossed the line. If they did, and were going that slow, the missile should have hit them way closer to the Turkish border, not at almost 5 km from their exit point. 4/5 km = 4/5 seconds of flight. for the missile. And at 100m/s remember 17/seconds for 1.8 km = ~100m/s, so the Russians were out of Turkish airspace for 40 seconds (that simply doesn't add up with what was said or then this was a head on interception, which then would show that the Turks FIRED the missile while the SU was not in Turkish airspace any more.
It's just murder.