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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:00 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    max steel wrote:Possibly the Tu-22M rain caught on video pale  What a Face

    Nothing escapes the cameras these days
    Interesting that the cluster of bombs was still very close together after their trip to ground level. Quite different to a B-52 pattern.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:05 pm

    Using the Tu-22M has a small logistics benefit, especially if heavily loaded. It reduces the amount of airborne munitions that have to be put through the probably pretty congested Syrian Express supply chain, allowing more capacity for artillery ammo.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Regular on Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:16 pm

    max steel wrote:Sorry but Kurds won't be getting any separate state . In Vienna talks it was made clear Syria will not be partitioned
    So pretty much US just playing them. Russia was always supporter of Kurds from Soviet Union era.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  max steel on Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:26 pm

    As of Nov. 17th:

    Over these 48 days, the Russian aviation group has made 2,289 sorties and delivered 4,111 missile strikes on the terrorists’ main infrastructure facilities, munitions depots and manpower locations.

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50714

    and for the mathematically challenged:

    2289/48 = 47.7 sorties per day

    4111/48 = 85.6 missile strikes per day

    4111/2289 = 1.8 missile strikes per sortie

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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:34 pm


    Scalps... thumbsup

    Official says 160 Russian IS fighters killed in Syria

    http://news.yahoo.com/official-says-160-russian-fighters-killed-syria-103312696.html

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  ult on Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:35 pm

    New videos from Ru MoD.










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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:59 pm


    Russian bomber fleet is really going loco. russia

    Long range aviation and Caspian Fleet, two most boring post in Russian Armed Forces no longer...lol1

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Fred333 on Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:11 pm

    jeeezz this is just military porn...russia really took a leaf out of Nato's playbook and running a very streamlined weapon sales show, the folks at the pentagon must be butthurt that Russia is beating them at their own propaganda game

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Kimppis on Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:24 pm

    Very good PR. This should make the "new" Russian military even more popular among Russians (and non-Russians alike)?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:29 pm

    John McCain still wanted for comment. clown

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Bidoul on Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:50 pm

    It would be nice if they could deploy the Tu-22M closer, that way they could fly at full load (with external pylons) and make two strike per sortie.

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    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:09 pm

    Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future




    Ankara--- Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey's National Intelligence Organization, known by the MİT acronym, has drawn a lot of attention and criticism for his controversial comments about ISIS.

    Mr. Hakan Fidan, Turkish President's staunchest ally, condemned Russian military intervention in Syria, accusing Moscow of trying to 'smother' Syria's Islamist revolution and serious breach of United Nations law.

    “ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries,” Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

    Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey’s firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

    Recently as the fierce clashes between Russian army and ISIS terrorists raging across the war-torn Syria, countless number of ISIS injured fighters enter the Turkish territory and are being admitted in the military hospitals namely those in Hatay Province. Over the last few days, the Syrian army with the support of Russian air cover could fend off ISIS forces in strategic provinces of Homs and Hama.

    Emile Hokayem, a Washington-based Middle East analyst said that Turkey's Erdoğan and his oil-rich Arab allies have dual agendas in the war on terror and as a matter of fact they are supplying the Islamist militants with weapons and money, thus Russian intervention is considered a devastating setback for their efforts to overthrow Syrian secular President Assad.

    Hokayem who was speaking via Skype from Washington, D.C. highlighted the danger of Turkish-backed terrorist groups and added that what is happening in Syria cannot be categorized as a genuine and popular revolution against dictatorship but rather it is a chaos orchestrated by Erdoğan who is dreaming to revive this ancestor's infamous Ottoman Empire.

    http://www.awdnews.com/top-news/turkish-intelligence-chief-putin-s-intervention-in-syria-is-against-islam-and-international-law,-isis-is-a-reality-and-we-are-optimistic-about-the-future

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:22 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    Anyone knows the difference in bomb munition capabilities
    between the Su-34 and Tu-22m  in KAB-250 and KAB-500 bombs and Kab-1500?

    How much bombs of each one each plane can drop ?


    60 or 70 x FAB-250 if I remember correctly. In any case, the Tu-22M3 can carry significantly more... in internal bay + a few more on 5 external pylons if needed



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    The FOAB 'might' be tested in Syria according to K. Sivkov, president of the academy for geopolitics



    Arrow http://warfiles.ru/show-100451-rossiya-mozhet-primenit-v-sirii-sverhmoschnuyu-bombu-moschnostyu-40-tonn.html

    nice... thanks for the info..

    Hopefully Russia will use many FOAB hundreds if possible.. lol   or many dozens
    and drop it on them.

    Update.. found something..

    Su-34


    Tu-22m



    Its that information is correct the difference is huge.. in Kab-500 alone
    the Su-34 carry apparently only x6..  while the Tu-22m up to 30x..  Shocked  

    This is the plane Russia needs to produce.. in real mass. screw pak-da ..
    just make a new modern stealthy version of Tu-22m with fully digital avionics and heavy
    jamming capabilities and you have a real winner. as a bonus the backfire is supersonic.  Cool

    So if those charts are correct one Tu-22m can drop as many kab-500 as FIVE Su-34.  

    So Five Tu-22m planes in Syria will have the same fire power of 25 x Su-34. Shocked
    but with way more range .and the flexibility to carry way more weapons including
    nukes.

    Well, Russia has around 50+ of them in active service. And a couple years ago, was rumored to eventually get radar placed in the nose; an Irbis E equivelant.  Tu-22M is by far one of the best planes in RuAF service.  It is speculated that Pak Da is indeed closer to Tu-22M than others. But that is pure speculation with no real evidence or info to back that up.  Just word of mouth.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:35 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:John McCain still wanted for comment. clown

    He is probably going to accuse Russia of polluting his precious bodily fluids... lol1

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:37 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future

    Not one bit surprised really.  It was evident that Trukey was the one at the forefront in Syrias spread of terror.  This comes as no surprise.  I used to have respect for Turkey but that is all gone now.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Regular on Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:56 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future

    Not one bit surprised really.  It was evident that Trukey was the one at the forefront in Syrias spread of terror.  This comes as no surprise.  I used to have respect for Turkey but that is all gone now.
    It's Erdocunt and his cronnies. Wants to be part of rich arabs supporting their wet dream.

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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:10 pm

    And his population are also to blame. I saw a video posted on Ria of football game in turkey, where the fans (during moment of silence, guess over the Paris ordeal) were shouting Allah Ahkbar.

    Sad really.  Shows which directing the country is heading. Better go to Istanbul before it really turns into a Mecca.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Boshoed on Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:29 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:John McCain still wanted for comment. clown

    He is probably going to accuse Russia of polluting his precious bodily fluids... lol1

    Off topic.
    Great. Now I have to watch that again. Brilliant movie.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Fred333 on Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:32 pm

    sepheronx wrote:And his population are also to blame. I saw a video posted on Ria of football game in turkey, where the fans (during moment of silence, guess over the Paris ordeal) were shouting Allah Ahkbar.

    Sad really.  Shows which directing the country is heading. Better go to Istanbul before it really turns into a Mecca.

    TBH, football matches tend to attract the lowest common denominator of society

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:25 pm

    Fred333 wrote:jeeezz this is just military porn...russia really took a leaf out of Nato's playbook and running a very streamlined weapon sales show, the folks at the pentagon must be butthurt that Russia is beating them at their own propaganda game
    The video editors must be working flat out selecting, cutting and pasting. Quite a lot seems to appear more than once, so maybe they don't have enough original video to satisfy the PR need.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  ultron on Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:42 pm

    The Russian embassy in Damascus was hit was mortars again today. Does SAA have counter mortar radars? If not then Russia should supply some to SAA to locate and destroy rebel mortars.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:49 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:John McCain still wanted for comment. clown

    He is probably going to accuse Russia of polluting his precious bodily fluids... lol1

    Hanoi Hilton does that to people.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Dima on Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:03 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future

    Not one bit surprised really.  It was evident that Trukey was the one at the forefront in Syrias spread of terror.  This comes as no surprise.  I used to have respect for Turkey but that is all gone now.
    +1

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    Post  ult on Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:12 pm

    KAB-500KR.


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