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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  ult on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:52 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    ult,

    Thank you for your posts and for the selection of the videos.

    No problem. Smile

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:02 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:...............................
    They've been posted by 'ult', but I forgive you Wink because no one should be blamed for wanting to re-post rare and exotic video of the Kh/X-101...I mean for once we got to see non-makets, the Real Deal Holy Spiel...but the real question remains....why the Kh/X-101 and not some other non-stealthy cruise missiles? Probably because they want to send a message to NATO, and they (NATO) couldn't even track 3M-14's with conventional shaping, I could only imagine NATO wetting their beds over Kh/X-101's stealth shaping, and monster sized 5,500 km range.

    Message could something along the lines: "We got these babies in service and we are already testing replacement next-gen stuff"
    "We got so many of these babies in service and with the replacement coming off the production lines soon, we can afford to throw some of them now at minor targets in Syria at no real cost to us. Hope you enjoyed tracking them!"

    There, corrected it for you Smile

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  par far on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:09 pm

    Putin on terrorism: ‘To forgive them is up to God, but to send them to him is up to me’


    http://www.electronicresistance.net/2015/11/putin-on-terrorism-to-forgive-them-is-up-to-god-but-to-send-them-to-him-is-up-to-me/




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  max steel on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:11 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    max steel wrote:How exactly can Tu-160 fire towards Syria from Russian territories ? ...

    The way it could always do. It can even cover its targets in the continental US and way beyond just after takeoff from its bases in Russia.

    I have given range info in my earlier posts.


    Which thread?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Monarchist on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:43 pm

    Assad: Putin the ‘only defender of Christian civilization’

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:01 pm

    Concerning the Russian hit on the refinery.
    The fuel tank farm is nothing trivial to rebuild, so hitting is not a problem. But I noticed they hit distillation towers/pipe on the refinery installations. That's the expensive part...

    What is the location of this hit anyway? I suspect this refinery may be in danger of being "liberated" by other groups, way before SAA could ever reach it.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  OminousSpudd on Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:21 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:Concerning the Russian hit on the refinery.
    The fuel tank farm is nothing trivial to rebuild, so hitting is not a problem. But I noticed they hit distillation towers/pipe on the refinery installations. That's the expensive part...

    What is the location of this hit anyway? I suspect this refinery may be in danger of being "liberated" by other groups, way before SAA could ever reach it.

    We'll see a lot of this happening now I imagine, from both sides. US strikes will attempt to hit ISIS facilities that are close to falling into SAA hands where and when they can, while Russian jets will most likely hit targets that may fall into anti-government Western backed "rebel" (YPG?) hands. I'm assuming the Kurds will have little in the way of political clout by the end of this, and if anything a de-facto Kurdish state on the border of Turkey may just be helpful for the good guys anyway, but who knows, maybe Russia doesn't like how vulnerable to outside influence they've been in the past.

    This went on a lot during the fall of the Third Reich, even before victory was assured Allied sabotage to bridges etc. was often done with the intent of slowing the Soviets down.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  max steel on Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:24 pm

    Sorry but Kurds won't be getting any separate state . In Vienna talks it was made clear Syria will not be partitioned

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:55 pm

    max steel wrote:Sorry but Kurds won't be getting any separate state . In Vienna talks it was made clear Syria will not be partitioned

    They will get a "KRG-esque" deal, but the issue with Syrian Kurds is that their ethnically inhabited lands, apart from Derik-Kamishli do not have oil or natural gas. But recently they seem to be heading way off these lands... in central and South Hasaka and into Arab or uninhabited areas.

    oil map.
    http://assets.bwbx.io/images/iPcS8HMuxs_o/v1/-1x-1.jpg

    This has Assad worried. Where is the line drawn?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Monarchist on Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:29 am

    What will happen to syrian army controlled bases, airports, military units in kurdish controlled areas?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  ult on Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:14 am

    Another day at Hmeymim.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:15 am

    Monarchist wrote:What will happen to syrian army controlled bases, airports, military units in kurdish controlled areas?
    I would expect that Syria remained one state with normal state responsibilities. With the state there could be a semi autonomous areas, the Kurds. Logically the Syrian military/border control would be all over the country. Perhaps in the Kurd area the bulk of the military would be Kurds in the Syrian Army. It is difficult to imagine a Kurd region air force.

    Much would have to be done with at least some kind of acceptance from Turkey, given their Kurdish problem.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Siempre_Leal on Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:59 am

    KiloGolf wrote:Concerning the Russian hit on the refinery.
    The fuel tank farm is nothing trivial to rebuild, so hitting is not a problem. But I noticed they hit distillation towers/pipe on the refinery installations. That's the expensive part...

    What is the location of this hit anyway? I suspect this refinery may be in danger of being "liberated" by other groups, way before SAA could ever reach it.

    Omar Oil Field is north-east of Mayadin in Deir Ezzor
    http://wikimapia.org/32057358/Omar-GTP

    other installations that were hit are just a tat north-west of the main Omar plant
    http://wikimapia.org/27266270/Central-Processing-Facility-oil

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  ult on Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:37 am


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:47 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Monarchist wrote:What will happen to syrian army controlled bases, airports, military units in kurdish controlled areas?
    I would expect that Syria remained one state with normal state responsibilities. With the state there could be a semi autonomous areas, the Kurds. Logically the Syrian military/border control would be all over the country. Perhaps in the Kurd area the bulk of the military would be Kurds in the Syrian Army. It is difficult to imagine a Kurd region air force.

    Much would have to be done with at least some kind of acceptance from Turkey, given their Kurdish problem.

    Turkeys "Kurdish problem"? I think its more like Kurds "Turkish problem" given the endless hostility of the Turkish state to granting the Kurdish people even a minimal level of self-autonomy, which even extends to outright aggression against Kurdish autonomy in neighbouring states.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:51 am



    Anyone knows the difference in bomb munition capabilities
    between the Su-34 and Tu-22m in KAB-250 and KAB-500 bombs and Kab-1500?

    How much bombs of each one each plane can drop ?


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:09 am

    Here is the the thing.  Syria under Assad or anyone else can grant Kurds special autonomy in Syria.  So it stays part of Syria but they govern themselves more or less.  Much like Chechens and others in Russia.  This would be a good move for Syria as a whole and bad news for the Turks regardless.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:12 am

    I did a quick update on the website regarding about the recent strikes:

    (Video)RuAF pounds ISIS with cruise missile strike

    Any suggestions, improvements or such I should add in?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:36 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    Anyone knows the difference in bomb munition capabilities
    between the Su-34 and Tu-22m  in KAB-250 and KAB-500 bombs and Kab-1500?

    How much bombs of each one each plane can drop ?


    60 or 70 x FAB-250 if I remember correctly. In any case, the Tu-22M3 can carry significantly more... in internal bay + a few more on 5 external pylons if needed






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    The FOAB 'might' be tested in Syria according to K. Sivkov, president of the academy for geopolitics



    Arrow http://warfiles.ru/show-100451-rossiya-mozhet-primenit-v-sirii-sverhmoschnuyu-bombu-moschnostyu-40-tonn.html

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:18 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    Anyone knows the difference in bomb munition capabilities
    between the Su-34 and Tu-22m  in KAB-250 and KAB-500 bombs and Kab-1500?

    How much bombs of each one each plane can drop ?


    60 or 70 x FAB-250 if I remember correctly. In any case, the Tu-22M3 can carry significantly more... in internal bay + a few more on 5 external pylons if needed



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    The FOAB 'might' be tested in Syria according to K. Sivkov, president of the academy for geopolitics



    Arrow http://warfiles.ru/show-100451-rossiya-mozhet-primenit-v-sirii-sverhmoschnuyu-bombu-moschnostyu-40-tonn.html

    nice... thanks for the info..

    Hopefully Russia will use many FOAB hundreds if possible.. lol   or many dozens
    and drop it on them.

    Update.. found something..

    Su-34


    Tu-22m



    Its that information is correct the difference is huge.. in Kab-500 alone
    the Su-34 carry apparently only x6..  while the Tu-22m up to 30x..  Shocked  

    This is the plane Russia needs to produce.. in real mass. screw pak-da ..
    just make a new modern stealthy version of Tu-22m with fully digital avionics and heavy
    jamming capabilities and you have a real winner. as a bonus the backfire is supersonic. Cool

    So if those charts are correct one Tu-22m can drop as many kab-500 as FIVE Su-34.  

    So Five Tu-22m planes in Syria will have the same fire power of 25 x Su-34. Shocked
    but with way more range .and the flexibility to carry way more weapons including
    nukes.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:20 am

    The aircraft enthusiasts and spotters at Scramble.nl, claim there is over 20 Su-24's in Latakia...possibly a 24 aircraft regiment

    Following Su-24 based at Latakia.

    6980th Air Base - Chelyabisk Shagol (unit 69806) (10 Su-24M, 4 Su-24MR off Cool.

    04 white (белый) RF-90943 0615332 Su-24M/pic TASS
    05 white (белый) RF-90942 0615334 Su-24M 43-й ОМШАП/RT TBTs
    07 white (белый) Su-24/Defence Ministry
    08 white RF-9040 Su-24/Djoker
    16 white (белый) RF-93812 Su-24M/RT
    18 white Su-24
    24 white Su-24/RT
    25 white RF-90933 Su-24M/pic TASS
    26 white RF-90932 0615326 Su-24/RT pic TASS
    27 white RF-90981 Su-24/RT
    71 white (белый) Su-24M/RT (a Su-24M2?)/defence ministry
    77 white (белый)
    80 white RF-90xx1 Su-24/17 Nov defence ministry
    83 white (белый)/defence ministry
    RF-95197/pic TASS
    RF-95199/pic TASS
    0715323 Su-24M

    277th BAP – Komsomolsk Khurba (8 Su-24M2 off 4).
    72 white (белый) RF-95103 1341611 Su-24M2/Djoker
    73? white (белый) RF-95104? 1341612 Su-24M2
    74 white (белый) RF-95105 1341613 Su-24M2/pic TASS
    75 white (белый) RF-95106 1341614 Su-24M2/RT+day 24
    76 white (белый) RF-95107 1341615 Su-24M2/RT defence ministry
    77 white (белый) RF-95108 1341616 Su-24M2/day 24
    78 white (белый) RF-95109 1341617 Su-24M2/RT day 29

    http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=117582&start=75

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:23 am

    Looking forward to seeing more videos of the strategic bombers hitting stuff with their massive payloads. Anyway, I saw a tweet recently from a journalist that spoke to Al-Jazeera on the degree of anonymity. The journalist said that the Surrender Monkeys (French) were hitting targets abandoned by ISIS a while ago. I may have gotten some of the details mixed up but that was the general gist of it. I don't have a lot of spare time so I can't find that tweet.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Regular on Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:34 am

    Russian mod tweeted that they will cooperate with French in their air attacks as soon as their aircraft carrier arrives. So pretty much establish joint control. This is very popular among french, look at this poll.
    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualites/2015/11/17/01001-20151117QCMWWW00145-etes-vous-favorable-a-l-elargissement-de-la-coalition-contre-daech-a-la-russie.php
    Well I do hope those tragedies make two countries bond closer. Back in Soviet times french culture was something we used to adore. Movies, music, arts. Now it is in decline, but still plenty of Russians my age still have warm feeling for french.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  max steel on Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:01 am

    Next strikes today (+12 long-range cruise missiles): http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12066265@egNews



    Possibly the Tu-22M rain caught on video pale What a Face


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:12 am

    max steel wrote:Possibly the Tu-22M rain caught on video pale  What a Face

    Nothing escapes the cameras these days

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