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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Rodinazombie on Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:26 pm

    Holy s*#t guys!

    Ive been without internet for a couple of days and i come back to see all this russian aviation porn.

    I know war is hell and poor people are dying over there, but by god its amazing to see those birds in action. Tu-160 is the most beautiful combat aircraft , its fantastic to see the footage of them. So graceful, yet so deadly.

    Has russia launched any cruise missiles from subs yet? You KNOW this is the next party trick from russia. And then maybe the kuznetsov will make an appearance and all our fantasies will be fulfilled.

    I do have a uestion about the missiles that are being used by the strategic bombers, its a newby question so dont bite my head off. How are they guided? Do they input the target data into the missile preflight or is it done during flight? Is it possible to change the targets once airborn?


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:29 pm

    Siempre_Leal wrote:
    ult wrote:The cruise missiles were launched over Iran.


    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1585491.html

    Good post ult

    That's impressive!!

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  kvs on Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:38 pm

    max steel wrote:Syrian government territorial gains just 0.4% since Russian military intervention


    http://www.janes.com/article/56134/syrian-government-territorial-gains-just-0-4-since-russian-military-intervention

    Obvious crap. They have been about 4%. Be careful in interpreting all those maps showing vast stretches of "rebel controlled"
    territory. There is no contiguous control and strategic points make a big difference. ISIS is in retreat around Aleppo even if
    there is no instant rout.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Regular on Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:50 pm

    kvs wrote:
    max steel wrote:Syrian government territorial gains just 0.4% since Russian military intervention


    http://www.janes.com/article/56134/syrian-government-territorial-gains-just-0-4-since-russian-military-intervention

    Obvious crap.  They have been about 4%.   Be careful in interpreting all those maps showing vast stretches of "rebel controlled"
    territory.   There is no contiguous control and strategic points make a big difference.   ISIS is in retreat around Aleppo even if
    there is no instant rout.
    Not to mention most of Syria is just desert

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  ult on Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:02 am

    More pics from the briefing.







    http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/296632

    I will translate the first pic.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  ult on Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:15 am



    Sorties made by:

    November 17.

    Engels:
    2 Tu-160 (launched 16 Kh-101 cruise missiles),
    3 Tu-95MS (launched 8 Kh-555 cruise missiles),

    Mozdok:
    12 Tu-22M3 sorties + 12 Tu-22M3 sorties.

    Hmeymim:
    Su-24M, Su-25SM, Su-34 - 98 sorties.

    November 18.

    Engels:
    2 Tu-160 (launched 8 Kh-555 cruise missiles)

    Mozdok:
    12 Tu-22M3 sorties + 12 Tu-22M3 sorties.

    Hmeymim:
    Su-24M, Su-25SM, Su-34 - 100 sorties.

    November 19.

    Engels:
    2 Tu-160 (launched 16 Kh-101 cruise missiles),
    2 Tu-95MS (launched 5 Kh-555 cruise missiles),

    Mozdok:
    12 Tu-22M3 sorties + 12 Tu-22M3 sorties.

    Hmeymim:
    Su-24M, Su-25SM, Su-34 - 98 sorties.

    November 20.

    Engels:
    2 Tu-160 (launched 16 Kh-101 cruise missiles),
    1 Tu-95MS (launched 6 Kh-555 cruise missiles),

    Olenya:
    2 Tu-160 (launched 8 Kh-555 cruise missiles),

    Mozdok:
    12 Tu-22M3 sorties + 12 Tu-22M3 sorties.

    Krymsk:
    8 Su-34 sorties + 8 Su-34 sorties.

    Hmeymim:
    Su-24M, Su-25SM, Su-34 - 98 sorties.

    Caspian flotilla:
    launched 18 ZM-14T Kalibr cruise missiles.

    The forces

    Engels:
    3 Tu-160
    6 Tu-95MS

    Olenya:
    2 Tu-160

    Mozdok:
    14 Tu-22M3

    Krymsk:
    8 Su-34

    Hmeymim:
    12 Su-24M
    12 Su-25SM
    4 Su-34

    Caspian flotilla:
    RK "Dagestan"
    MRK "Veliki Ustyug"
    MRK "Grad Sviyazhsk"
    MRK "Uglich"

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  max steel on Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:17 am

    Rodinazombie wrote:Holy s*#t guys!

    Ive been without internet for a couple of days and i come back to see all this russian aviation porn.

    I know war is hell and poor people are dying over there, but by god its amazing to see those birds in action. Tu-160 is the most beautiful combat aircraft , its fantastic to see the footage of them. So graceful, yet so deadly.

    Has russia launched any cruise missiles from subs yet? You KNOW this is the next party trick from russia. And then maybe the kuznetsov will make an appearance and all our fantasies will be fulfilled.

    I do have a uestion about the missiles that are being used by the strategic bombers, its a newby question so dont bite my head off. How are they guided? Do they input the target data into the missile preflight or is it done during flight? Is it possible to change the targets once airborn?



    There were some speculations ,see the previous thread last 5-6 pages and don't blink your eyes!

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:25 am

    Looks like the French are on station and more hell is about to be let loose.

    BEIRUT (Sputnik) — Earlier on Friday, Lebanese Transport Minister Ghazi Zeaiter said Lebanon was unable to satisfy Moscow’s request to reroute civilian aircraft flying over a coastal region over the three-day Russian military drills planned in the Mediterranean, as the country's civil aviation had no alternative routes.

    "Tonight and until Monday we will close the airspace over the Mediterranean Sea, where there are three Lebanese air corridors. It was decided to open a previously not used corridor along the border with Israel. Only this corridor could be used in such conditions…," the source told RIA Novosti.

    Multiple cancellations and delays to flights to and from Beirut are expected in this regard, the source added.

    According to Zeaiter, Russia has notified authorities of Lebanon, Turkey and Cyprus that its navy would begin exercises in the Mediterranean Sea at midnight on Friday. Russian officials have not commented on the issue yet.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151120/1030486782/lebanon-suspends-flights-russian-manoeuvre.html#ixzz3s4q9wgKf

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:34 am

    max steel wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:

    Has russia launched any cruise missiles from subs yet? You KNOW this is the next party trick from russia. And then maybe the kuznetsov will make an appearance and all our fantasies will be fulfilled.


    There were some speculations ,see the previous thread last 5-6 pages and don't blink your eyes!
    As Max says, we have not been told. All that Moscow has announced is that six ships have been involved in the Med along with those in the Caspian but no breakdown as to who did what other than the TV cameras on the Caspian flotilla. The RuN seems to have at least the Rostov-na-Donu as one of its Kalibr assets in the Med.

    We have also had no indication as to why they are using so many cruise missiles. A guess would be that they are in a major hurry to hit these targets, say before the contents can be dispersed, so speed trumps cost.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  franco on Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:37 am

    Apparently the ASF now has 69 aircraft in Syria. Newcomers include 8 more Su-34 plus some Su-27SM3's. Does anyone have an exact count?

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:13 am

    franco wrote:Apparently the ASF now has 69 aircraft in Syria. Newcomers include 8 more Su-34 plus some Su-27SM3's. Does anyone have an exact count?

    I understood that the total planes participating was indeed 69 including those who operate through Iran.

    So in fact only 12 more Su27 family planes were brought in for the VKS and they're at Krymsk.

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    Post  franco on Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:18 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    franco wrote:Apparently the ASF now has 69 aircraft in Syria. Newcomers include 8 more Su-34 plus some Su-27SM3's. Does anyone have an exact count?

    I understood that the total planes participating was indeed 69 including those who operate through Iran.

    So in fact only 12 more Su27 family planes were brought in for the VKS and they're at Krymsk.

    Link below, a flight could be either 2 or 4.

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/838162

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:32 am

    franco wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    franco wrote:Apparently the ASF now has 69 aircraft in Syria. Newcomers include 8 more Su-34 plus some Su-27SM3's. Does anyone have an exact count?

    I understood that the total planes participating was indeed 69 including those who operate through Iran.

    So in fact only 12 more Su27 family planes were brought in for the VKS and they're at Krymsk.

    Link below, a flight could be either 2 or 4.

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/838162
    Are the 69 aircraft those flying over Syria or those based there?

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    Post  franco on Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:34 am

    Recap of aircraft;

    12 Su-24M
    12 Su-25SM
    12 Su-34
    4 Su-30SM
    12 Mil-25
    4 Mil-8
    1 Il-20M
    2-4 Su-27SM3

    = 59-61 aircraft

    missing 8-10

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  franco on Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:38 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    franco wrote:Apparently the ASF now has 69 aircraft in Syria. Newcomers include 8 more Su-34 plus some Su-27SM3's. Does anyone have an exact count?

    I understood that the total planes participating was indeed 69 including those who operate through Iran.

    So in fact only 12 more Su27 family planes were brought in for the VKS and they're at Krymsk.

    Link below, a flight could be either 2 or 4.

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/838162
    Are the 69 aircraft those flying over Syria or those based there?

    The Su-34 and 27SM3 flying out of Russia would have to go through Turkish or Bulgarian airspace. Not happening...
    Also the bomber fleet is 14 Tu-22M3, 5 Tu-160 and 6 Tu-95MS out of Russia.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:48 am

    franco wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    franco wrote:Apparently the ASF now has 69 aircraft in Syria. Newcomers include 8 more Su-34 plus some Su-27SM3's. Does anyone have an exact count?

    I understood that the total planes participating was indeed 69 including those who operate through Iran.

    So in fact only 12 more Su27 family planes were brought in for the VKS and they're at Krymsk.

    Link below, a flight could be either 2 or 4.

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/838162
    Are the 69 aircraft those flying over Syria or those based there?

    The Su-34 and 27SM3 flying out of Russia would have to go through Turkish or Bulgarian airspace. Not happening...
    Also the bomber fleet is 14 Tu-22M3, 5 Tu-160 and 6 Tu-95MS out of Russia.

    Look at the page before, you have break down of forces.

    The 12 new Su27 family have to be used from Krymsk according to the Russians themselves.

    BTW: Syrians drilling the Formerly Seen Alive.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:16 am

    franco wrote:Recap of aircraft;

    12 Su-24M
    12 Su-25SM
    12 Su-34
    4 Su-30SM
    12 Mil-25
    4 Mil-8
    1 Il-20M
    2-4 Su-27SM3

    = 59-61 aircraft

    missing 8-10

    According to spotters, there is more than 12 Su-24's in Latakia and they've got aircraft numbers from various videos as proof....or maybe they've just rotated some of the aircraft with new ones from Russia


    ult wrote:More pics from the briefing.

    I will translate the first pic.

    Thanks Ult

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  franco on Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:01 am

    You would have to wonder how those old Su-24M's will hold up under that daily action. I suspected a rotation may have been in play when they showed that list of 24 aircraft.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:14 am

    Bomber fleet is based temporally in Iran?


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  franco on Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:19 am

    George1 wrote:Bomber fleet is based temporally in Iran?

    No Russia, the Tu-22M3's are flying out of Mozdok, while the Tu-160's and Tu-95MS's are out of Engels.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:26 am

    ult wrote:

    Sorties made by:

    November 17.

    Engels:
    2 Tu-160 (launched 16 Kh-101 cruise missiles),
    3 Tu-95MS (launched 8 Kh-555 cruise missiles),

    Mozdok:
    12 Tu-22M3 sorties + 12 Tu-22M3 sorties.

    Hmeymim:
    Su-24M, Su-25SM, Su-34 - 98 sorties.

    November 18.

    Engels:
    2 Tu-160 (launched 8 Kh-555 cruise missiles)

    Mozdok:
    12 Tu-22M3 sorties + 12 Tu-22M3 sorties.

    Hmeymim:
    Su-24M, Su-25SM, Su-34 - 100 sorties.

    November 19.

    Engels:
    2 Tu-160 (launched 16 Kh-101 cruise missiles),
    2 Tu-95MS (launched 5 Kh-555 cruise missiles),

    Mozdok:
    12 Tu-22M3 sorties + 12 Tu-22M3 sorties.

    Hmeymim:
    Su-24M, Su-25SM, Su-34 - 98 sorties.

    November 20.

    Engels:
    2 Tu-160 (launched 16 Kh-101 cruise missiles),
    1 Tu-95MS (launched 6 Kh-555 cruise missiles),

    Olenya:
    2 Tu-160 (launched 8 Kh-555 cruise missiles),

    Mozdok:
    12 Tu-22M3 sorties + 12 Tu-22M3 sorties.

    Krymsk:
    8 Su-34 sorties + 8 Su-34 sorties.

    Hmeymim:
    Su-24M, Su-25SM, Su-34 - 98 sorties.

    Caspian flotilla:
    launched 18 ZM-14T Kalibr cruise missiles.

    The forces

    Engels:
    3 Tu-160
    6 Tu-95MS

    Olenya:
    2 Tu-160

    Mozdok:
    14 Tu-22M3

    Krymsk:
    8 Su-34

    Hmeymim:
    12 Su-24M
    12 Su-25SM
    4 Su-34

    Caspian flotilla:
    RK "Dagestan"
    MRK "Veliki Ustyug"
    MRK "Grad Sviyazhsk"
    MRK "Uglich"



    This is completely crazy and insane.. Russia spending so much money ,using so many expensive
    cruise missiles and wasted in cheap targets like Oil trucks ,that can be destroyed with a home made barrel bomb. just a weak earlier Russia was reducing its strikes for target adquisition ,(that they were lacking of places to strikes) and now they are bombing like if there is no tomorrow and spending like $100 millions each day on bombing. Not even US navy used so many expensive cruise missiles in a single day in the IRAQ invasion.  

    So something is going on here.. The idea that Russia can maintain that level of bombing without going broke in a week or two and wasting all its inventory of cruise missiles on civilians trucks
    and civilian unprotected buildings in crazy.. when Russia could easily just do the same using
    cheap bombs like Kab-250 and for the money it cost one Kh-101, they could drop ~x300.. unguided KAB free fall bombs that will do the same. So this is really rare..

    The only possible explanation is that Russia had been stocking a ridiculous amount of cruise
    conventional missiles , in the hundred of thousands.. for a long time and that they are simply
    sending a message to US and Turkey ,with their nuclear capable bombers ,that will NOT allow them to invade Syria and try to create a buffer zone to protect the terrorist against them.
    Because if Russia drops too many bombs ,it will not allow civilians refugees from Turkey to be used in the thousands as human shield. To stop Russia from Bombing ISIS and Alqaeda.

    In any case.. the power in nuclear bombers alone and missiles ,if armed with tactical nukes variants of the cruise missiles  ,Russia nuclear airforce deployed in Syria are more than enough to totally destroy a combined Turkey and Israel army  invasion of Syria if a major war start and provoked by them.

    Russia using 2x Tu-160 White Swans , x2 Tu-95 bears bombers and 24 ti-24m backfires
    is not a small thing.. don't think even in the soviet times Russia did an operation so big..is like the Russia Airforce is already preparing for war and take the fight to another nation.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:59 am

    The key here is not the money spend but the main focus is to train crew of every single system they have in active service so that they get combat experience and familiarize themselfs with new aircrafts and weapons under combat conditions and not just polygons. Also to test new weaponary by itself by letting cruise missiles overfly foreign territory and see adoption of enemies of their vessels which are prone to the US in entire waters especially around Gulf states and meditteranean sea. They are not blind and see US wants a war in europe and getting ready now is high priority because appearantly detterance wasn't enough so far the yanks are still madmen and want to sacrifice europeans just to piss off russia and they will fight against russia untill the very last pole,german,french, czech, romanian and with no doubt every single estonian, latvian and lithunian crazy there is.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  max steel on Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:13 am








    Brits joining the party ?


    Britain's HMS Defender to support French carrier against Islamic State

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    Post  Zivo on Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:21 am


    Brits joining the party ?


    Britain's HMS Defender to support French carrier against Islamic State

    Pretty worthless for an anti-Daesh operation.

    It would have been cheaper but equally effective to just send ISIS an angry letter. Rolling Eyes

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    Tu-160 bombing raid


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