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    Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:23 pm

    No rest for the wicked, another day more fire from the heavens. Looks like a major end of line stock clearance sale, before the stuff had to be scrapped. My highlight.

    MOSCOW, November 18. /TASS/. Aircraft of the Russian air group in Syria on Wednesday delivered a second massive strike at Islamic State terrorist group facilities in the Syrian provinces of Raqqa, Deir-ez-Zor, Aleppo and Idlib, the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the Russian Armed Forces General Staff, Col. Gen. Andrey Kartapolov, said.

    "Russia’s Aerospace Forces delivered a second massive strike at armed formations of terrorists in Syria at 05:00 a.m. Moscow Time," Kartapolov said at a briefing for journalists, adding that from 05:00 a.m. to 05:50 a.m., a squadron of Tu-22M3 long-range bomber aircraft delivered strikes at six Islamic State facilities in the provinces of Raqqa and Deir-ez-Zor. The targets hit were ammunition and armaments depots, hardware deployment sites, training camps of militants as well as workshops producing explosives. "From 09:00 to 09:10, Tu-160 strategic weapons carriers fired from the territory of the Russian Federation 12 air-launched cruise missiles at Islamic State facilities in the provinces of Aleppo and Idlib," the colonel general said. Three command posts, two armaments and ammunition depots and a field camp of militants were destroyed as a result. Throughout the day, strike aircraft planned 100 sorties from Khmeimim airfield at 190 facilities of various terrorist groups. As of 16:00, 59 sorties were made and 149 facilities destroyed.

    "A few minutes ago, a squadron of Tu-22M3 long-range bombers delivered a second strike at six IS facilities in the provinces of Rakka and Deir-ez-Zor," Kartapolov said. He said targets for destruction were a communications node, IS ammunition and armaments depots, a mini-plant producing explosive devices and car bombs and a militant training base.

    "The delivery of air strikes continues in line with the approved plan. To ensure security of flights, the time of strikes and aircraft transit corridors are beforehand reported to representatives of the international coalition," Kartapolov said.

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    Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Dima on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:35 pm

    Fred333 wrote:except these strikes seem to be done by the Russians, or am I being misled by the captions?
    Yes, it is most probably a Russian strike...but then they had no other option but to strike the local sources financing the war. But what looks awkward is the insane amount of trucks on the ground and its getting bombed from air...the video does show it is not possible to cover everything, better stuff would be the use of Su-25/24 and Mi-24/35 with rocket pods...but that is taking way too much risk in a sector where SAA/Russian ground presence is negligible.


    Added the link to the older thread.
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4584p990-russian-military-involvement-and-aid-to-syria-4


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    Post  Fred333 on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:37 pm

    Does anyone else have the feeling this war will be over soon now?
    For the first time a modern air force is going full out against ISIS/Nusra and the rest.
    Even France is on board now against ISIS without being against Assad at the same time.
    KSA is overstretching itself in Yemen, will soon have a resources problem to keep their groups funded.
    SAA and allies are making firm progress in areas that matter, ie. Aleppo.
    Turkey is isolated on the international stage because of the Kurdish question, Russia preempted their no fly zone in the north, so they only have losing horses in the race now (ie. Nusra and northern coalition if they keep being driven back). Only thing they can now hope for is Kurds not going for a de facto Kurdistan in Syria and Iraq, and I suspect those are terms they will discuss with Russia.
    Jordan warming up to Russia, meaning the southern front might soon lose support as well.

    All in all a swift reversal of fortune for Assad (although that happened more often during this war, so who knows what might happen next)

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    Post  Fred333 on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:38 pm

    Dima wrote:
    Fred333 wrote:except these strikes seem to be done by the Russians, or am I being misled by the captions?
    Yes, it is most probably a Russian strike...but then they had no other option but to strike the local sources financing the war. But what looks awkward is the insane amount of trucks on the ground and its getting bombed from air...the video does show it is not possible to cover everything, better stuff would be the use of Su-25/24 and Mi-24/35 with rocket pods...but that is taking way too much risk in a sector where SAA/Russian ground presence is negligible.

    yes exactly, targets like that would be the wet dream of any A-10 or Su-25 pilot

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    Post  Dima on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:43 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Infrastructure scorched earth policy. Just like Iraq and Libya so they have had plenty of practice. Mind you, in the past it seems to have been done partly in the expectation that US contractors would pick up the reconstruction business. Fat chance here.

    Mind you, very surprised that the RuAF hit that tank farm. Trucks yes, but infrastructure?
    Russia does not have any other option to stop that illegal oil trade. See the video and we can see the large caravan of trucks and even the bombs are falling short in numbers to cover it all. So probably they went in for the production/storage facility to disrupt the trade.


    Also, now that the message have been given to all those concerned, hope VKS will now shift from the cruise missile to more precise carpet bombing. From the video we see that Tu-22M3 carries 12 numbers in their weapons bay. Would love to see the FOAB in Tu-160 belly....but for that we need some good target area where terrorists are concentrated. Idlib and Aleppo would have been good if it was just the terrorist coalition, but unfortunately its still having large number of civilians including those who support Syrian Govt.

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    Post  ult on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:44 pm

    Are you seriously discussing who's airstrikes are those? The video is published on the official Russian Ministry of Defense channel...

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    Post  max steel on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:54 pm

    JohninMK wrote:No rest for the wicked, another day more fire from the heavens. Looks like a major end of line stock clearance sale, before the stuff had to be scrapped. My highlight.

    MOSCOW, November 18. /TASS/. Aircraft of the Russian air group in Syria on Wednesday delivered a second massive strike at Islamic State terrorist group facilities in the Syrian provinces of Raqqa, Deir-ez-Zor, Aleppo and Idlib, the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the Russian Armed Forces General Staff, Col. Gen. Andrey Kartapolov, said.

    "Russia’s Aerospace Forces delivered a second massive strike at armed formations of terrorists in Syria at 05:00 a.m. Moscow Time," Kartapolov said at a briefing for journalists, adding that from 05:00 a.m. to 05:50 a.m., a squadron of Tu-22M3 long-range bomber aircraft delivered strikes at six Islamic State facilities in the provinces of Raqqa and Deir-ez-Zor. The targets hit were ammunition and armaments depots, hardware deployment sites, training camps of militants as well as workshops producing explosives. "From 09:00 to 09:10, Tu-160 strategic weapons carriers fired from the territory of the Russian Federation 12 air-launched cruise missiles at Islamic State facilities in the provinces of Aleppo and Idlib," the colonel general said. Three command posts, two armaments and ammunition depots and a field camp of militants were destroyed as a result. Throughout the day, strike aircraft planned 100 sorties from Khmeimim airfield at 190 facilities of various terrorist groups. As of 16:00, 59 sorties were made and 149 facilities destroyed.

    "A few minutes ago, a squadron of Tu-22M3 long-range bombers delivered a second strike at six IS facilities in the provinces of Rakka and Deir-ez-Zor," Kartapolov said. He said targets for destruction were a communications node, IS ammunition and armaments depots, a mini-plant producing explosive devices and car bombs and a militant training base.

    "The delivery of air strikes continues in line with the approved plan. To ensure security of flights, the time of strikes and aircraft transit corridors are beforehand reported to representatives of the international coalition," Kartapolov said.


    How exactly can Tu-160 fire towards Syria from Russian territories ? How much range it is btwn terrorist syrian areas and Russian territory.

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    Post  Dima on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:55 pm

    Fred333 wrote:Does anyone else have the feeling this war will be over soon now?
    I would have loved to see this war end as soon as possible with the annihilation of the international terrorists.

    But.... from the start of the Russian campain, I was expecting and thinking about a 18 month period to completely reverse and stabilize the situation with nothing less than a complete victory in this large scale counter-terrorist operation.

    i.e 6-8 months to retake lost territory which might also create numerous small enclaves isolated from the outside suppliers/supporters. Rest of 8-12 months to clear these enclaves in lower profile & low intensity counter-terrorists ops. Also, if need an election in parallel after quarantining these terrorists pockets.

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    Post  Dima on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:58 pm

    ult wrote:Are you seriously discussing who's airstrikes are those? The video is published on the official Russian Ministry of Defense channel...
    Well after seeing all those drone footage all these months, for a moment had a slight doubt. But clear now. Very Happy

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    Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:03 pm

    That will not end soon, as long there are still the regimes that support and finance them. That is their daily bread to spread terror. If you want to destroy terrorism destroy the countries or their capabilities to finance them. No money no spread of terrorism. ISIS is not financing itself by oil trade that is just a reasoning to give the stupid population why they are so spread around to whitewash the fact that US, Israel, France, Turkey, Saudis, Kuwait and who not are financing their mercenaries.



    To sell oil in such quantities it needs more than just some illiterate terrorists to sustain the supply chain, direct and admin the financials with accounts that are under the SWIFT, to have the personal at raffineries work in line, to sustain the maintenance and find distribution to customers. That is beyond capability of that scum.

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    Post  Dima on Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:15 pm

    Werewolf wrote:That will not end soon, as long there are still the regimes that support and finance them. That is their daily bread to spread terror. If you want to destroy terrorism destroy the countries or their capabilities to finance them. No money no spread of terrorism. ISIS is not financing itself by oil trade that is just a reasoning to give the stupid population why they are so spread around to whitewash the fact that US, Israel, France, Turkey, Saudis, Kuwait and who not are financing their mercenaries.



    To sell oil in such quantities it needs more than just some illiterate terrorists to sustain the supply chain, direct and admin the financials with accounts that are under the SWIFT, to have the personal at raffineries work in line, to sustain the maintenance and find distribution to customers. That is beyond capability of that scum.
    +1

    But we need to wait for few more months so that there are minimum credible assets to enlarge the scope of operation and successfully enforce the plan.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:17 pm

    Werewolf wrote:That will not end soon, as long there are still the regimes that support and finance them. That is their daily bread to spread terror. If you want to destroy terrorism destroy the countries or their capabilities to finance them. No money no spread of terrorism. ISIS is not financing itself by oil trade that is just a reasoning to give the stupid population why they are so spread around to whitewash the fact that US, Israel, France, Turkey, Saudis, Kuwait and who not are financing their mercenaries.



    To sell oil in such quantities it needs more than just some illiterate terrorists to sustain the supply chain, direct and admin the financials with accounts that are under the SWIFT, to have the personal at raffineries work in line, to sustain the maintenance and find distribution to customers. That is beyond capability of that scum.

    It's around 3000 barrels worth of oil per day so far (although I suspect the actual volume is close to 10K bbl. That's about 40 million year according to "pro-Moderate beheaders, and about 120 million USD (a barrel is sold 40 USD to Turkey) to Syrian sources.

    So my question is where do the rest of the roughly 600 million USD (the 2bln USD year is bogus) come from? Selling oil in such quantities can be done by illiterates if you enforce a L/C type of sale. We did the same with smuggled cigarettes back in Albania, we'd sell Turkish cigarettes to Italy (or stash them) and we'd just get paid by the box. What needs brain, is the situation behind the Turkish border and the refining process in Syria. That's more damning instead the number of oil trucks.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:29 pm


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    Post  Fred333 on Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:31 pm

    they should consider it an honor to be killed by the most beautiful bombers ever built

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    Post  zorobabel on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:17 pm

    Russia reportedly brokered a 15 day ceasefire in East Ghouta between the rebels and the SAA. It's not clear yet, but I think it is the beginning of what I suspected, which is the de-escalation of fighting between FSA, SAA, YPG/SDF and a sole focus on radical Islamist groups.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:18 pm

    Fred333 wrote:they should consider it an honor to be killed by the most beautiful bombers ever built

    Indeed, like monkeys in "2001:A Space Odyssey" their entire existence has been elevated to a whole new level simply by managing to attract the attention of something as superior and exalted.

    Same applies to those idiots in Aleppo who are dancing around jettisoned fuel tank of a cruise missile like it is a Monolith. russia


    Some extra videos, don't know if repost:








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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:31 pm

    Moscow keeping quiet on this?

    The Russian military fired cruise missiles from ships in the Caspian Sea in the latest attack against the Islamic State on Tuesday, Operation Inherent Resolve spokesperson Col. Steve Warren said in briefing.

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — However, Russia's General Staff said Wednesday that Russian strategic bombers had launched cruise missiles on ISIL targets.

    On Tuesday, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that the Russian Aerospace Forces doubled the number of sorties against Islamic State targets in Syria during the first day of a newly-planned air campaign that now involves strategic bombers.

    “There were sea-based cruise missiles came out of the Caspian,” Warren stated on Wednesday when asked to confirm Russia’s sea-based strikes against the terrorist group.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151118/1030351879/pentagon-russia-caspian-based-cruise-missiles.html#ixzz3rsRQEu3w

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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:34 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:


    Some extra videos, don't know if repost:  

    Yes, but in the other thread, may as well have them here as well, good news is always good news!

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:37 pm

    max steel wrote:How exactly can Tu-160 fire towards Syria from Russian territories ? ...

    The way it could always do. It can even cover its targets in the continental US and way beyond just after takeoff from its bases in Russia.

    I have given range info in my earlier posts.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:39 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Fred333 wrote:they should consider it an honor to be killed by the most beautiful bombers ever built

    Indeed, like monkeys in "2001:A Space Odyssey" their entire existence has been elevated to a whole new level simply by managing to attract the attention of something as superior and exalted.

    Same applies to those idiots in Aleppo who are dancing around jettisoned fuel tank of a cruise missile like it is a Monolith.  russia


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    They've been posted by 'ult', but I forgive you Wink because no one should be blamed for wanting to re-post rare and exotic video of the Kh/X-101...I mean for once we got to see non-makets, the Real Deal Holy Spiel...but the real question remains....why the Kh/X-101 and not some other non-stealthy cruise missiles? Probably because they want to send a message to NATO, and they (NATO) couldn't even track 3M-14's with conventional shaping, I could only imagine NATO wetting their beds over Kh/X-101's stealth shaping, and monster sized 5,500 km range.

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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:44 pm

    Some people saying Cruise missiles can be shot down with regular artillery or machine guns
    have to check reality. You need andavanced /real anti air defenses (like Pansirs) to shot down missiles flying so fast ,that will only show up for ~2 seconds in your view distance .  If any cruise missile collapse it had to be because it autodestroyed itself..after missing its target.. all cruise missiles have this capability.

    Russia latest manpads could do it.. but it require previous knowledge with radar of the route and real proffessionals with major training to do it ,  and is very dangerous.. if a missile explode 500meters from you it can kill you even if you intercept it . So good luck trying to "shot down one" using machine guns or anti air artillery not a chance.  The videos around of one cruise missile falling have to be that it self destructed.

    Thanks.


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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:45 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    They've been posted by 'ult', but I forgive you Wink because no one should be blamed for wanting to re-post rare and exotic video of the Kh/X-101...I mean for once we got to see non-makets, the Real Deal Holy Spiel...but the real question remains....why the Kh/X-101 and not some other non-stealthy cruise missiles? Probably because they want to send a message to NATO, and they (NATO) couldn't even track 3M-14's with conventional shaping, I could only imagine NATO wetting their beds over Kh/X-101's stealth shaping, and monster sized 5,500 km range.

    Because Kh-101 is a very old system by the Russian standards; I would have been surprised if they were using Kh-987889.


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    Post  ult on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:45 pm

    Yeah. Everyone who follows this thread should just subscribe to the official Russian Ministry of Defense youtube channel - http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQGqX5Ndpm4snE0NTjyOJnA

    The press briefings usually happen either at 15:00-16:00 or 18:00-19:00 Moscow time. The video updates get posted around that time.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:47 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:...............................
    They've been posted by 'ult', but I forgive you Wink because no one should be blamed for wanting to re-post rare and exotic video of the Kh/X-101...I mean for once we got to see non-makets, the Real Deal Holy Spiel...but the real question remains....why the Kh/X-101 and not some other non-stealthy cruise missiles? Probably because they want to send a message to NATO, and they (NATO) couldn't even track 3M-14's with conventional shaping, I could only imagine NATO wetting their beds over Kh/X-101's stealth shaping, and monster sized 5,500 km range.

    Message could something along the lines: "We got these babies in service and we are already testing replacement next-gen stuff"

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:47 pm

    ult wrote:Yeah. Everyone who follows this thread should just subscribe to the official Russian Ministry of Defense youtube channel - http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQGqX5Ndpm4snE0NTjyOJnA

    The press briefings usually happen either at 15:00-16:00 or 18:00-19:00 Moscow time. The video updates get posted around that time.

    ult,

    Thank you for your posts and for the selection of the videos.

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