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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Monarchist on Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:25 pm

    Russian delivered RPO-A Shmels and two T-62s captured by the Islamic State in Mahin.

    https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/675370938003808256

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    Poor sunnis in the NDF just deserted.
    I remember that Strelkov executed people in the Donbass for desertion.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:29 pm

    a counterattack was conducted and the lost ground was recovered the same day Why you always miss such "details"? Rolling Eyes

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:35 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:a counterattack was conducted and the lost ground was recovered the same day Why you always miss such "details"? Rolling Eyes

    There's no confirmation that Mahin and Huwarin have been recovered by SAA. News about an attempted counterattack, sure. But not complete recovery.
    Unless I'm missing something.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:37 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:a counterattack was conducted and the lost ground was recovered the same day Why you always miss such "details"? Rolling Eyes

    There's no confirmation that Mahin and Huwarin have been recovered by SAA. News about an attempted counterattack, sure. But not complete recovery.
    Unless I'm missing something.

    Ignore Monarchist, he is still butthurt because Moscow refuses to put him in charge. Razz lol1

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:42 pm

    Ok. I checked twitter and it appears that part of the town was recovered and clashes are still ongoing. There are no grounds to spread defeatist BS. Rolling Eyes

    Monarchist is a strange fellow. He ignores the dramatic change of strategic situation since late September, hardly even cheers when SAA captures something - but when SAA loses one village, he suddenly appears and screams "OMFG SAA is incompetent they are losiiiing!!!". Dunno if it's deliberate defeatist propaganda or just a very peculiar case of pessimism, mixed with built-in information filter.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:52 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Ok. I checked twitter and it appears that part of the town was recovered and clashes are still ongoing. There are no grounds to spread defeatist BS. Rolling Eyes

    Monarchist is a strange fellow. He ignores the dramatic change of strategic situation since late September, hardly even cheers when SAA captures something - but when SAA loses one village, he suddenly appears and screams "OMFG SAA is incompetent they are losiiiing!!!". Dunno if it's deliberate defeatist propaganda or just a very peculiar case of pessimism, mixed with built-in information filter.

    Be that as it may, the fashion which they lost places like Banis or Mahin is far from competent retreat under heavy fire, superior enemy, etc. There's something rotten in Denmark.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:55 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Ok. I checked twitter and it appears that part of the town was recovered and clashes are still ongoing. There are no grounds to spread defeatist BS. Rolling Eyes

    Monarchist is a strange fellow. He ignores the dramatic change of strategic situation since late September, hardly even cheers when SAA captures something - but when SAA loses one village, he suddenly appears and screams "OMFG SAA is incompetent they are losiiiing!!!". Dunno if it's deliberate defeatist propaganda or just a very peculiar case of pessimism, mixed with built-in information filter.

    Simple: he wants Russia to wage some Holy Orthodox War in Ukraine and is pissed off that they are bombing ISIS instead. Like Ukraine and it's population is something worth fighting over. Let the place rot and pick up the pieces I say.

    Add to that a fact that he is not even Russian and it gets interesting.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:56 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Ok. I checked twitter and it appears that part of the town was recovered and clashes are still ongoing. There are no grounds to spread defeatist BS. Rolling Eyes

    Monarchist is a strange fellow. He ignores the dramatic change of strategic situation since late September, hardly even cheers when SAA captures something - but when SAA loses one village, he suddenly appears and screams "OMFG SAA is incompetent they are losiiiing!!!". Dunno if it's deliberate defeatist propaganda or just a very peculiar case of pessimism, mixed with built-in information filter.

    Be that as it may, the fashion which they lost places like Banis or Mahin is far from competent retreat under heavy fire, superior enemy, etc. There's something rotten in Denmark.

    Nothing rotten, just incompetent. SOP in the Mid East. There is an idiot in every class...

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:56 pm

    Dead Daesh'is, killed in recent clashes


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV-GGSEUkAAp8Xz.jpg

    When posting images of a potentially objectionable nature always post as a link and a warning... ie this picture shows dead bodies.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Monarchist on Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:03 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Ok. I checked twitter and it appears that part of the town was recovered and clashes are still ongoing. There are no grounds to spread defeatist BS. Rolling Eyes

    Monarchist is a strange fellow. He ignores the dramatic change of strategic situation since late September, hardly even cheers when SAA captures something - but when SAA loses one village, he suddenly appears and screams "OMFG SAA is incompetent they are losiiiing!!!". Dunno if it's deliberate defeatist propaganda or just a very peculiar case of pessimism, mixed with built-in information filter.

    Simple: he wants Russia to wage some Holy Orthodox War in Ukraine and is pissed off that they are bombing ISIS instead. Like Ukraine and it's population is something worth fighting over. Let the place rot and pick up the pieces I say.

    Add to that a fact that he is not even Russian and it gets interesting.
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    Your right. There are no russians there, russian cities, holy land and people are in Syria. We should just abandon people that died for Russia and showed themselves to be more russian than those living in Moscow, Piter etc. Rolling Eyes
    I'm pissed of at the lack of results of the bombing campaign, much of the SAA is totally useless and just deserts.
    Many of you just post Kremlin propaganda that's no way close to reality. There are no major successes so far.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:13 pm

    Monarchist wrote:There are no major successes so far.

    There are, just two though.
    Hadher at SW Aleppo and lift of Kuweiris with associated ring expansion at NE Aleppo. Both are major.

    Of course this does not bring back the war to where it was in 2013.

    SAA still needs to:

    > regain Palmyra and lift the siege of Deir er Zor
    > seal off Latakia border and clear the province
    > recapture Jisr Shugur
    > reach and capture Saraqib
    > lift the siege of Foua
    > do something about the presence of IS in eastern Hama/Homs and Suwaida


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:13 pm

    German troops weren't out of USSR two months after Stalingrad... neither Kursk.

    Wars take time to win.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:22 pm

    Monarchist wrote:............................................................

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    Your right. There are no russians there, russian cities, holy land and people are in Syria. We should just abandon people that died for Russia and showed themselves to be more russian than those living in Moscow, Piter etc. Rolling Eyes
    I'm pissed of at the lack of results of the bombing campaign, much of the SAA is totally useless and just deserts.
    Many of you just post Kremlin propaganda that's no way close to reality. There are no major successes so far.

    -There are no Russians in Ukraine, 90% of those outside Novo chose to be Ukrainians.

    -There are Russian cities and holy land in Ukraine, yes. But cities and land aren't going anywhere. They can pick that stuff up when it is convenient and cost effective for them.

    -In addition to killing jihadists (always admirable and entertaining endeavor) having foothold and bases in the Mediterranean (and other locations) means that NATO & gang will have to dedicate resources to those places that would otherwise be directed at Russian mainland. Strategy.    

    -Results are there. SAA still exists and grinds on. They may bleed a lot but it is their land and their blood. They have no one to blame for their incompetence and casualties but themselves.

    -Russia has plenty of planes, bombs and fuel. Use what you have, let SAA do the ground work. Fast or slow, it is SAA's problem.

    -I already told you: nations run on money. You said USA are broke. You are wrong, but that notwithstanding, USA also own global economy. They play the game with cheat code. Other players do not have cheat codes and have to play the game differently.  

    -I honestly do not give two sh*ts what Kremlin says. Also, please explain how building can speak?

    -I posted article today on Ukraine tread that explains a lot. Read it.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:29 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:SAA still exists and grinds on. They may bleed a lot but it is their land and their blood. They have no one to blame for their incompetence and casualties but themselves.

    True that. They may possess formations/groups that are utter failures e.g. in defending important cities and locations. But, they've done a great job in utilising alliances, foreign volunteers, maintaining control of routes from the coast down to Daraa and to the north up to Aleppo. It's important that the capital is pretty much under their control, most of Aleppo and last but not least the access to the Med. The population centres, commercial locations and a bit less than half of the gas/oil infrastructure is theirs.

    Their greatest problem is their inability to control the border with Turkey and to a lesser extent Jordan and Iraq.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Max Italy on Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:54 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Monarchist wrote:There are no major successes so far.

    There are, just two though.
    Hadher at SW Aleppo and lift of Kuweiris with associated ring expansion at NE Aleppo. Both are major.

    Of course this does not bring back the war to where it was in 2013.

    SAA still needs to:

    > regain Palmyra and lift the siege of Deir er Zor
    > seal off Latakia border and clear the province
    > recapture Jisr Shugur
    > reach and capture Saraqib
    > lift the siege of Foua
    > do something about the presence of IS in eastern Hama/Homs and Suwaida


    >seal off Syrian-Jordan border.... attack

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:03 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:a counterattack was conducted and the lost ground was recovered the same day Why you always miss such "details"? Rolling Eyes

    There's no confirmation that Mahin and Huwarin have been recovered by SAA. News about an attempted counterattack, sure. But not complete recovery.
    Unless I'm missing something.

    Hawareen actually can't be defended properly, both sides leave it when the attack is serious. It's Mheen I don't get. You can basically mine that city/village to the brim and have zero issues with mechanized forces, you don't even need to fortify it. About 100 people with a firebase in Sadad, should do the trick. The issue I see with Mheen is that the SAA doesn't want to deploy there any sizeable force because it would be picked off overtime. And they're short on hands.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:36 pm

    From Gurkhan:

    The Russian military has restored the plant for repair of tanks in HOMS
    http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2015/12/blog-post_82.html

    Russian Armed forces restored tank repair plant in Syria's HOMS.
    Now the company is working at full capacity. This information was reported by the Russian defense Minister Sergei Shoigu during today's Collegium of the military Department.
    In addition, according to him, during the entire Syrian operation VKS RF our planes and naval ships have transported 214 tons of various cargoes that are needed for its implementat
    ion.

    The militants now control up to 70 percent of Syrian territory. Meanwhile, the number of terrorists exceeds 60 thousand persons, — added the Minister.
    We will remind, Russia since September 30, conducts an air operation in Syria. With the request for military assistance to counter terrorist activities, including from prohibited in the Russian Federation "Islamic state" and "jabhat al an-Nusra"Moscow asked Syria's President Bashar al-Assad.








    The Syrian army has received a batch of Russian tanks T-90A
    http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2015/12/90_45.html

    The Syrian armed forces received a batch of main battle tanks of the Russian production of T-90A.
    As it became known, the Syrian Arab Army has received an undisclosed number of tanks T-90A for the purpose of training combat crews. It is expected that in the near future in Syria can be delivered a large batch of T-90A to equip advanced troops of the land forces of Syria near the border with Turkey.


    On this moment the most modern tanks of the Syrian army is modernized Russian tank T-72B, earlier, Russia delivered the first batch of tanks of this type. T-90 tanks are also armed with a limited Russian military contingent in Syria and conduct air cover and defense of Russian military facilities.
    According to military experts, this type of tank is best suited for the defense of the stationary object in the desert. T-90 has improved compared to the T-72 protection of the tower, is modern, integrated with the main gun thermal imager, improved stabilizer weapons and an improved automatic loader.
    Mounted on a tank fire control system is superior to the world analogues. It allows the T-90 to hit a moving target on the move from first shot in virtually all weather conditions. During state testing, the vehicle with an inexperienced crew released 24 missiles and they all hit the target at a distance of four to five kilometers. An experienced gunner for 54 seconds at a speed of 25 kilometers per hour struck seven shells real armoured targets at the distance of 1500-2500 meters. German Leopard 2 under similar conditions struck six goals, and the American Abrams — five.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:43 pm

    What's wrong with Hawareen? A typical village on a flat desert, with nothing but artillery fire being a danger to it. No more than a company would be needed to defend it.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:09 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:a counterattack was conducted and the lost ground was recovered the same day Why you always miss such "details"? Rolling Eyes

    There's no confirmation that Mahin and Huwarin have been recovered by SAA. News about an attempted counterattack, sure. But not complete recovery.
    Unless I'm missing something.

    Hawareen actually can't be defended properly, both sides leave it when the attack is serious. It's Mheen I don't get. You can basically mine that city/village to the brim and have zero issues with mechanized forces, you don't even need to fortify it. About 100 people with a firebase in Sadad, should do the trick. The issue I see with Mheen is that the SAA doesn't want to deploy there any sizeable force because it would be picked off overtime. And they're short on hands.

    Once they lost the nearby high ground they pull out quick to avoid heavier losses....according to local sources/reporters.

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:The Russian military has restored the plant for repair of tanks in HOMS

    Important development

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Militarov on Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:12 am



    Homs - left, Idlib - right. Opression and stuff vs freedom and stuff.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Erk on Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:44 am

    Militarov wrote:

    Homs - left, Idlib - right. Opression and stuff vs freedom and stuff.

    The ones on the left are mostly covering in pink, the ones on the right in black.



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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Militarov on Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:47 am

    Erk wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Homs - left, Idlib - right. Opression and stuff vs freedom and stuff.

    The ones on the left are mostly covering in pink, the ones on the right in black.



    Not only that. Their hair/face is not covered, also i doubt they are forced to wear long sleeves during summer. Its winterish in Syria after all now.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:47 am

    5 villages reported to have been taken today by #SAA & Allies in South #Aleppo
    https://twitter.com/2Rook14/status/675593262770479104

    Not sure if I'm seeing this correctly, but if the info is confirmed, it seems they've crossed (cut off) the highway  Question



    And this was from earlier...

    Syrian Army and Hezbollah enter the strategic town of Al-Zorba in southern Aleppo:
    https://t.co/O3qwrAIrI9

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  Zivo on Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:39 am

    Cyberspec wrote:5 villages reported to have been taken today by #SAA & Allies in South #Aleppo
    https://twitter.com/2Rook14/status/675593262770479104

    Not sure if I'm seeing this correctly, but if the info is confirmed, it seems they've crossed (cut off) the highway  Question



    And this was from earlier...

    Syrian Army and Hezbollah enter the strategic town of Al-Zorba in southern Aleppo:
    https://t.co/O3qwrAIrI9

    No, this area is SE of the SAA's hub in Al Hader.

    Here, I centered the map at the same point as the image:

    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.923115&lon=37.118511&z=14&m=b&search=ALEPPO

    Al Zorba is here, right on the M-5.

    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.067695&lon=36.980152&z=13&m=b&search=ALEPPO



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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #4

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:38 am

    Looks like SAA expands south and this can secure a second route to Khanasir plain and open a path to Abu Duhur air base.

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