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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  jhelb on Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:15 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:

    I saw part of Pres. Obama giving condolences, etc to French ppl.

    It's a crying shame he could not/ did not do the same re persons on Russia airplane.

    It's a crying shame that so many ppl have demonized Russia, to such that they no longer have any compassion for innocent victims.

    Obama and his ilks created ISIS. Remember, Obama said ISIS is a JV team of the US.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/sep/07/barack-obama/what-obama-said-about-islamic-state-jv-team/


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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:57 pm

    Might be true, might not, but it is strange, make up your own mind.

    http://bosniapress.info/index.php/news-in-english-articles/2459-paris-attack-reported-on-wikipedia-and-twitter-before-it-happened

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  jhelb on Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:12 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Might be true, might not, but it is strange, make up your own mind.

    http://bosniapress.info/index.php/news-in-english-articles/2459-paris-attack-reported-on-wikipedia-and-twitter-before-it-happened

    Some well know terror experts are suggesting that Paris attacks are a retaliation for France threatening to pull out of Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) negotiations.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Regular on Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:42 pm

    Ukrainian media - Or maybe it was retaliation because of Mistrals?

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:01 am

    Questions, questions and more questions. Again, form your own opinion.

    Look at it from your own experiences. At every rock concert aren't there are dozens of phones up in the air, recording on automatic the event to show friends etc? When the shooting started the instinct is to turn towards the noise and most if not all those phones would still record even if cast on the floor. Why has no such recording surfaced? Not a single one! Where are those phones?

    As the guy says in the blog, ISIS is not stupid why would they do this.

    Cui bono? Who profits? Just about every state player except ISIS, who could have predicted that they would get slaughtered (the plan?).

    http://sitsshow.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/paris-attacks-mexican-girl-was-alive.html?m=1

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  nemrod on Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:39 am

    JohninMK wrote:Questions, questions and more questions. Again, form your own opinion.
    Look at it from your own experiences. At every rock concert aren't there are dozens of phones up in the air, recording on automatic the event to show friends etc? When the shooting started the instinct is to turn towards the noise and most if not all those phones would still record even if cast on the floor. Why has no such recording surfaced? Not a single one! Where are those phones?
    Iam not an expert about this, but those terrorists as U said understood well this kind of thing. In my view, as far as I heard, they shot on every hostage they could. They are 129 dead, around 100 sorely wonded, 250 others injured. These bastards were there to kill, and to die, they fed up if they were heard by police or not. But if there are record of sound what is the useless ?


    As the guy says in the blog, ISIS is not stupid why would they do this.

    Cui bono? Who profits? Just about every state player except ISIS, who could have predicted that they would get slaughtered (the plan?).

    http://sitsshow.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/paris-attacks-mexican-girl-was-alive.html?m=1

    DAECH is not ghost, is the mere US creation in order to destroy Iraq, and syrian's governments. The chief responsible of the abroad operational Kamikazes do U know who is he ? He was an ex general of republican guard in the time of Saddam Hussain. In fact he is a close very close US ally. He is not islamist, but he handles islamists, in order to obtain something. But the questions are why, how, what and for who ? Turkey is leaving all kamikazes crossing its territories, as Greece too. In fact two NATO key nations. Why did Turkey, and Greece behave like this ? Who is blackmailing France now ? And why ? The questions around these events are more, more complex than we could never imagine.


    Other news, today BRI, and RAID, the french SWAT launched an assault in Saint Denis against terrorists. Do U know all how much time this strike lasted ? 7 hours. We were said that only 5 french policemen were slightly injured....official communiqué, but....
    We were said that two, maybe three terrorists were killed, and 8 were arrested, as official communiqué.
    See here :
    http://www.bbc.com/news


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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:08 am

    nemrod wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Questions, questions and more questions. Again, form your own opinion.
    Look at it from your own experiences. At every rock concert aren't there are dozens of phones up in the air, recording on automatic the event to show friends etc? When the shooting started the instinct is to turn towards the noise and most if not all those phones would still record even if cast on the floor. Why has no such recording surfaced? Not a single one! Where are those phones?
    Iam not an expert about this, but those terrorists as U said understood well this kind of thing. In my view, as far as I heard, they shot on every hostage they could. They are 129 dead, around 100 sorely wonded, 250 others injured. These bastards were there to kill, and to die, they fed up if they were heard by police or not. But if there are record of sound what is the useless ?


    As the guy says in the blog, ISIS is not stupid why would they do this.

    Cui bono? Who profits? Just about every state player except ISIS, who could have predicted that they would get slaughtered (the plan?).

    http://sitsshow.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/paris-attacks-mexican-girl-was-alive.html?m=1

    DAECH is not ghost, is the mere US creation in order to destroy Iraq, and syrian's governments. The chief responsible of the abroad operational Kamikazes do U know who is he ? He was an ex general of republican guard in the time of Saddam Hussain. In fact he is a close very close US ally. He is not islamist, but he handles islamists, in order to obtain something. But the questions are why, how, what and for who ? Turkey is leaving all kamikazes crossing its territories, as Greece too. In fact two NATO key nations. Why did Turkey, and Greece behave like this ? Who is blackmailing France now ? And why ? The questions around these events are more, more complex than we could never imagine.


    Other news, today BRI, and RAID, the french SWAT launched an assault in Saint Denis against terrorists. Do U know all how much time this strike lasted ? 7 hours. We were said that only 5 french policemen were slightly injured....official communiqué, but....
    We were said that two, maybe three terrorists were killed, and 8 were arrested, as official communiqué.
    See here :
    http://www.bbc.com/news

    All you say is true, probably.

    The killers, killed and died. But they didn't wipe all the phones. So where are they? All those injured people's phones?

    I had heard about the ex Saddam General as the 'managing director' of ISIS, reporting to a controlling body.

    A big thing in the MSM here is that a police dog got killed in the latest raids in Paris!

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  whir on Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:04 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The killers, killed and died. But they didn't wipe all the phones. So where are they? All those injured people's phones?
    It's not a conspiracy if that's what you're implying. Take a look to the disco that burned down a few weeks ago in Bucharest trapping inside dozens of people and injuring many more, there are only a few videos where you can see what was happening clearly even with the fire lighting most of the venue.

    Scattered belongings are in police custody and as usual the rest is in the hands of medical staff so probably once families are given the personal belongings of those that died or are in serious condition is possible that some new footage may surface but don't hold your breath since the tiny sensors are not capable of recording quality video in low light situations much less without stabilisation.

    Oh, and also take into account that many survivors may have recorded some embarrassing footage of themselves talking nonsense that don't want to share with the rest of the world.

    JohninMK wrote:A big thing in the MSM here is that a police dog got killed in the latest raids in Paris!
    Why it shouldn't be? At least is more sensible than the endless stream of nonsense police commentators are spouting round the clock since last Friday.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Militarov on Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:49 pm

    "Yugoslavian/Serbian built M70 Zastava assault rifles used in Paris attack traced to Slovenian, Bosnina, and Macedonian military depots"

    "Milojko Brzakovic, director of the Zastava (Banner) Arms factory in the city of Kragujevac in central Serbia, said that they were part of a batch of M70 assault rifles, a improved Yugoslav copy of the Soviet-designed AK47, produced in 1987 and 1988. "We have checked seven, maybe eight serial numbers received from the police in our database and found that guns from that particular batch were sent to military depots in Slovenia, Bosnia and Macedonia," Brzakovic told Reuters. Zastava Arms, then called Zavodi Crvena Zastava, served as the sole state arsenal for small arms for the now-defunct Communist Yugoslav army and police. It still produces weapons for the Serbian government, hunting and sports. In the 1970s and 1990s the company was also a major arms exporter to the then-Yugoslavia's allies in Africa, Asia and the Middle East and it is still a exports to a number of markets including the United States."

    Zastava M70AB2/AB3 are the models still in production: http://www.zastava-arms.rs/sr/militaryproduct/automatska-puška-m70-ab3 and http://www.zastava-arms.rs/sr/militaryproduct/automatska-puška-m70-ab2

    Most likely terrorists used most common M70AB2




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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:32 pm

    Ahi, bre you're not alone, Two Chinese Type 56 have been also incriminated, wouldn't surprise me they come from home.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:42 am

    Beside my first guess that they used M70AB2, seems terrorists also managed to lay hands on M92, basically shortened version of Serbian M70. Take note that in US they are mostly and very often sold without stock so they can be classified as "automatic pistols".



    Zastava M92 is exact model i personally served with due to my basically non combatant role. Even tho i prefered and abused my non-comissioned officer right to carry only sidearm around most of the time. M92s are not very widespread in service dompared to full sized M70 variants but you can see them around, alot of them was in storages so if you get one to serve with its probably still almost new.

    Its to be replaced in future with M21ABS, which is shortened future service rifle M21 in 5,56 NATO.



    "At least one of several Kalashnikov automatic assault weapons used in the November 13th Paris terror attacks was originally purchased from Serbia by a US-based weapons dealer who has been involved in several dubious global arms deals. A Florida-based firm purchased an M92 Kalashnikov-style short carbine from the Zastava Arms factory, the same location that produced eight other weapons used in the terror acts in Paris. The M92 assault carbine, a “shortened Kalashnikov,” was sold to Century International Arms, a family-owned arms dealer in Delray Beach, Florida, according to Milojko Brzakovic, the head of the Zastava factory, as told to the Associated Press.

    The Century International Arms company, owned and run by the Sucher family for over 50 years, first made headlines in the fall of 2011. WikiLeaks releases from that time suggest that an Israeli gun merchant named Ori Zoller was the middlemen in an illegal sale to the Century International Arms of WW-2-era M1 rifles originally donated by the US to Guatemala."




    M92 as sold in the US.



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    Source: http://sputniknews.com/us/20151217/1031870792/paris-kalashnikov-from-florida.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FSQ65pZCA6M&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=arup&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:05 am

    Fucking hell, there's no such thing as a Krinkov.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:13 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Fucking hell, there's no such thing as a Krinkov.

    Yeah, they refer to everything shortened of AK design as "Krinkov". Here we refer to it just as "Automat", literally submachine gun, coz its so much shorter than service rifle Smile

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:22 am

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Fucking hell, there's no such thing as a Krinkov.

    Yeah, they refer to everything shortened of AK design as "Krinkov". Here we refer to it just as "Automat", literally submachine gun, coz its so much shorter than service rifle Smile

    Americans are the most peculiar people when it comes to firearms. They usually are very bad judges when it comes to quality and very bad shots when the rifle they have isn't a rifle they're used to. Mauser sights are a riot. "Don't you have a Mauser with peep sight?", heard this in Budapest this year...It's a mauser...It has Mauser sights. Only the US does Mausers without their sights.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Zivo on Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:58 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Fucking hell, there's no such thing as a Krinkov.

    Yeah, they refer to everything shortened of AK design as "Krinkov". Here we refer to it just as "Automat", literally submachine gun, coz its so much shorter than service rifle Smile

    Americans are the most peculiar people when it comes to firearms. They usually are very bad judges when it comes to quality and very bad shots when the rifle they have isn't a rifle they're used to. Mauser sights are a riot. "Don't you have a Mauser with peep sight?", heard this in Budapest this year...It's a mauser...It has Mauser sights. Only the US does Mausers without their sights.

    What's strange is that so many Americans complain about open sights and how hard they are to use, yet practically every handgun ever made has open sights...  their operation is the same. dunno

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:17 pm

    Did anyone post this?

    Gun linked to Paris attacks traced back to Florida arms dealer implicated in Iran-Contra scandal

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/gun-linked-to-paris-attacks-traced-back-to-florida-arms-dealer-implicated-in-iran-contra-scandal/

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:01 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Did anyone post this?

    Gun linked to Paris attacks traced back to Florida arms dealer implicated in Iran-Contra scandal

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/gun-linked-to-paris-attacks-traced-back-to-florida-arms-dealer-implicated-in-iran-contra-scandal/

    Militarov did.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:04 am

    Zivo wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Fucking hell, there's no such thing as a Krinkov.

    Yeah, they refer to everything shortened of AK design as "Krinkov". Here we refer to it just as "Automat", literally submachine gun, coz its so much shorter than service rifle Smile

    Americans are the most peculiar people when it comes to firearms. They usually are very bad judges when it comes to quality and very bad shots when the rifle they have isn't a rifle they're used to. Mauser sights are a riot. "Don't you have a Mauser with peep sight?", heard this in Budapest this year...It's a mauser...It has Mauser sights. Only the US does Mausers without their sights.

    What's strange is that so many Americans complain about open sights and how hard they are to use, yet practically every handgun ever made has open sights...  their operation is the same. dunno

    Yeah, but clearly there's something about it, they're good with those god awful peep-sights, and bad with even simpler mauser/open sights...also, speed reloads.

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