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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  max steel on Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:46 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    One terrorist has been identified as a refugee who transited trough Balkans route under name Ahmed Almuhamed.

    Entered Serbia from Macedonia on October 7th and left for Croatia and Austria some time later. Our cops have pretty good database on all who cross trough here.

    Serbian language article:
    http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Drustvo/606473/SVETSKA-EKSKLUZIVA-Ovo-je-terorista-koji-je-prosao-Grcku-Srbiju-Hrvatsku-Austriju-DA-BI-SEJAO-SMRT-U-PARIZU



    Well one should also remember that identity theft with fake passports do happen and do you know who is an expert in doing such kind of things ? ( Just a theory though )

    Read : 'Mossad' hit snares Australians

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:58 am

    andalusia wrote:Do you guys on this forum think people having guns at the concert would have prevented the terrorists from killing so many people? Donald Trump thinks so.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-paris-massacre-nobody-204712964.html

    Many conservative politicians here think teachers in K-12 schools should be armed.  I have my doubts about that.

    Do you think carrying guns to movie theaters, concerts and schools would deter bad guys or bad thinking?

    How many were in the concert? 3? with aks, bullet proof vests, and suicide vests? did they have bullet proof vests?

    If you had 3 ex military, or 3 cops in there with guns, I think they 'may' could have shot them, or here in Texas, just 3 guys with concealed carry who have hunted since knee high to a grasshopper. It's better to be armed and defend yourself than not.

    I once heard a story about an attack in a church in South Africa, by persons attacking soft targets. the attackers used guns and grenades. Because someone in the church, attending the church, had a gun and shot one of them and wounded another, I believe, they fled, and it saved lives. I remember there was Russians visiting the church as well.

    If teachers are ex military or ex cops, or have the back ground and psychological ability to deal with shooting and killing another human, then yes.

    The story said that things were so unsettled in S. Africa at the x, everyone was packing.

    People imho, are in a false sense of security. People need to be taught how to react, what to do, etc in such situations, not just be stupid and let them kill you.

    This S. Africa story, it was raining fiercely outside and people fled the church, rolled under cars, and laid there.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:03 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    One terrorist has been identified as a refugee who transited trough Balkans route under name Ahmed Almuhamed.

    Entered Serbia from Macedonia on October 7th and left for Croatia and Austria some time later. Our cops have pretty good database on all who cross trough here.

    Serbian language article:
    http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Drustvo/606473/SVETSKA-EKSKLUZIVA-Ovo-je-terorista-koji-je-prosao-Grcku-Srbiju-Hrvatsku-Austriju-DA-BI-SEJAO-SMRT-U-PARIZU


    So now we know without a doubt that they are coming in with the "refuges".

    God help us all. From what y'all have said, the West has a window of opportunity to work with Russia against terrorism, and imho, if our government chooses not to, God help us. Sad

    I'm glad I live in the boonies.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:07 am

    Just send those refugees to the US.

    A typical EU country spends about $10,000 per year on one refugee - how much would it take to transport them through the Mexican border to the US? Perhaps half as much money. Send them to Mexico, pay for transport through the border, give them $1,000 as a gift together with an instruction on how to get food stamps and other welfare benefits. Americans certainly wouldn't be pleased seeing crowds with ISIS flags in California.

    Makes sense, doesn't it? Once you send one guy, repeat x500,000

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:34 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Just send those refugees to the US.

    A typical EU country spends about $10,000 per year on one refugee - how much would it take to transport them through the Mexican border to the US? Perhaps half as much money. Send them to Mexico, pay for transport through the border, give them $1,000 as a gift together with an instruction on how to get food stamps and other welfare benefits. Americans certainly wouldn't be pleased seeing crowds with ISIS flags in California.

    Makes sense, doesn't it? Once you send one guy, repeat x500,000

    Yes, persons in Texas have been talking about this since the 1980's. Odds are they came in long ago, years ago.
    I once worked in a clinic at a prison for INS.
    I was shocked where all ppl was from and how young some of them were.
    They arrested them, and they deported them. They didn't fool around.
    What is happening today, only God knows.

    edited to add: back then it was 99.9 % Mexico, Central and South America, altho I did see one S. African (white guy).

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:39 am

    Had the attack been carried out in Russia, they would of been called 'Rebels', with articles entertaining causes and motives with intrigue instead of disgust:




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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:21 am

    http://www.newschannel10.com/story/28603897/isis-releases-kill-list-seven-texas-cities-included


    ISIS releases 'Kill List'; Seven Texas cities included
    Posted: Mar 24, 2015 3:15 PM CDT
    Updated: Jul 24, 2015 1:03 AM CDT

    Video Courtesy of CBS Evening News with Scott Pelley

    The Pentagon has responded to a globally-released 'Kill List', asking law enforcement to give extra protection for military personnel whose personal information was released.

    CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports the Pentagon spent the weekend notifying the soldiers who appeared on the list, and urged city police departments and military police to increase patrol in the neighborhoods where the targeted live.

    The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) published the list days ago, a report that contained names, photos, and home addresses of U.S. Armed Forces personnel, causing alarm in cities potentially at high-risk.

    According to the publication, ISIS urges followers and sympathizers in the U.S. to kill the servicemen. Specific personnel on the list are largely from the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy - branches of the country's military that have conducted massive air strikes against ISIS.

    The air strikes have left ISIS mostly defenseless, killing over 8,000 fighters with attacks carried out on more than 5,000 targets. But ISIS appears to be fighting back through forms of social media.

    The Pentagon says the the targeted appeared to be compiled from public sources -- anything from news articles to Facebook posts that could have linked them to attacks on the terrorist group. Officials with the Pentagon say some members were incorrectly identified, but right or wrong, it's still a threat.

    Seven Texas cities were included on the list: Abilene, New Braunfels, San Antonio, Wyle, Fort Hood, Bedford, and Killeen.

    Cities expected to increase in security due to the threat are below:

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    Texas: Abilene, New Braunfels, San Antonio, Wyle, Fort Hood, Bedford, Killeen

    Indiana: Michigan City, Bolivar

    Michigan: Dearborn Heights, Lake Orion

    Connecticut: Barkhamsted, Manchester

    Nevada: Reno

    Georgia: Griffin

    Maryland: Upper Marlboro, Warrensburg, Lexington Park

    Arizona: Phoenix

    Louisiana: Shreveport, Bossier City

    South Carolina: Daniel Island, Charleston

    North Carolina: Fayetteville, New Bern

    Virginia: Burke, Virginia Beach, Suffolk, Springfield, Norfolk, Chesapeake

    Colorado: Colorado Springs

    California: Hanford, Solvang, San Ardo, Monterrey, Newberry Park, Carlsbad

    New Mexico: Farmington

    North Dakota: Minot

    South Dakota: Rapid City

    Florida: Merritt Island, Palm Coast, Saint John, Middleburg, Saint Augustine

    Washington: Colton, Cheney, Seattle, Spokane, Anacortes

    Nebraska: Bellevue

    Illinois: Orland Park

    Rhode Island: Newport

    Idaho: Bonners Ferry


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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:52 am


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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:02 am

    Two months ago, French authorities arrested a suspect that allegedly planned an attack on concert hall

    http://www.politico.eu/article/paris-shootings-live-blog/#liveblog-entry-379574

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:09 am

    We are now in the 14th year of war on terror. Since then, terror attacks have increased by 6,500%



    ...Let that sink in, and start asking questions. Oh by the way...



    Terrorists in Syria using same weapons as French Police, and they were sent by Fabius and Hollande:




    The attack happened not too far where Hollande and Steinmeier were meeting, and you could even hear the explosions:



    https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/665286908155715584

    Someone was sending a message!

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  max steel on Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:30 am

    I have used that french police gun in Counter strike. It sucks.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Bidoul on Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:30 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    Terrorists in Syria using same weapons as French Police, and they were sent by Fabius and Hollande:

    If you had eyes you would see the differences between a croatian VHS and a Famas.

    Eastern Europe oligarchs are the best allies of the jihadist since forever.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:39 am

    Bidoul wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    Terrorists in Syria using same weapons as French Police, and they were sent by Fabius and Hollande:

    If you had eyes you would see the differences between a croatian VHS and a Famas.

    Eastern Europe oligarchs are the best allies of the jihadist since forever.

    Elaborate

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    Novembre 2015 attentats de Paris

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:04 am

    RIP to all the innocent people who died in this barbaric act.

    I have questions:

    -At a time when ISIS is under pressure and being squeezed by the Russian Air Force, Syrian Army, Iranian units, Iraqis, Hezbollah fighters, Kurds etc.  why would ISIS seek to incite Europeans into entering the fight as well? Are they that stupid? Makes no sense.

    -Why enrage Europeans to the point where you know they will have to retaliate forcefully against you? Makes no sense.

    -Are they really trying to get Europeans and Americans to retaliate? Makes no sense.

    -Are they trying to get Europeans and Americans to send ground troops into Syria? Is that their plan? Is that the plan that Russia preempted by sending in troops first?

    -Is this whole things staged by dark forces in the West perhaps for political reasons? Is it a false flags attack that was totally faked, partially faked or simply allowed to happen?

    -It was earlier reported that a Syrian passport was found on one of the terrorists. How convenient! So nowadays the terrorists are making sure they are carrying their passports with them while perpetrating their crimes! Does this make any sense?

    I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I keep an open mind. Often, things are not what they seem at first sight. Let's wait a few days while keeping the above in mind.


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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Bidoul on Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:30 am

    [quote="flamming_python"]
    Bidoul wrote:
    Elaborate

    Most of their gear and ammo come from romania/croatia/bulgaria. Whether they are in Syria, in Mali, in Iraq, in Afghanistan or in France. I'm sure that even in Russia the amount of gear the FSB find on militants that aren't from soviet stocks is significant.

    Somebody is making money from the slaughter of it's fellow Christians and Europeans.

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    November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  berhoum on Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:07 pm

    Le bataclan...


    RIP




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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:23 pm

    Bidoul wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Bidoul wrote:
    Elaborate

    Most of their gear and ammo come from romania/croatia/bulgaria. Whether they are in Syria, in Mali, in Iraq, in Afghanistan or in France. I'm sure that even in Russia the amount of gear the FSB find on militants that aren't from soviet stocks is significant.

    Somebody is making money from the slaughter of it's fellow Christians and Europeans.

    FIrst Bidoul, allow me to reset the clock here.

    I hope you're not concerned in any other way with this, bar being French.
    I really feel like having dodged a huge one personally, so whenever people talk about false flags or pointing fingers to "political leadership" (and I did a bit of that too, before really realising the magnitude of the damage) it doesn't matter, it's still a terrorist attack, a very abject one.
    I concur with you, there are assholes that are bidding for one of the armament programs the US has set up to supply the moderates. Mack8, provided us with a list detailing at least 1000 tons of ammo. There's the whole Bulgarian wing we still don't know much about (until they're outed by Jihadi John flashing his Arsenal rifle). Then there's Croatia, Ukraine (famous LCZ whose stocks pop up left and right although it is supposed to have ceased operations since 2010), Russia, especially with the Syrians and Iraqis having lost whole dumps of ammo and weapons.
    There's probably over 6 billions paid for from the US over the course of the last 2 years for death and destruction and the check book is nowhere near to be empty.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:09 pm

    Its a great cartoon, but did you really have to post it, as an original rather than quoting it, a second time on the same page?

    Grumpy old man.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:17 pm

    Bidoul wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Bidoul wrote:
    Elaborate

    Most of their gear and ammo come from romania/croatia/bulgaria. Whether they are in Syria, in Mali, in Iraq, in Afghanistan or in France. I'm sure that even in Russia the amount of gear the FSB find on militants that aren't from soviet stocks is significant.

    Somebody is making money from the slaughter of it's fellow Christians and Europeans.

    Last time I checked France and Europe had no problem whatsoever with slaughter of neither Europeans nor Christians when it suited their ideology nor with providing and financing arms shipments to terrorists from various legal and illegal sources.

    You seem to willingly ignore the fact that people who carried out this atrocitiy are the very same people that France and her allies have been financing, supplying, protecting and using as geopolitical tool and that they more than once bit the hand that feeds and protects them.

    I have used term ''allies'' loosely here, more accurate term would be ''owners''.


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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:58 pm

    Bidoul wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Bidoul wrote:
    Elaborate

    Most of their gear and ammo come from romania/croatia/bulgaria. Whether they are in Syria, in Mali, in Iraq, in Afghanistan or in France. I'm sure that even in Russia the amount of gear the FSB find on militants that aren't from soviet stocks is significant.

    Somebody is making money from the slaughter of it's fellow Christians and Europeans.

    Croatia has been a major transit port for the supply of weapons to the Libyan and then Syrian rebels; but that's a CIA operation.

    I'm sure in the 90s plenty of arms from ex-Soviet and ex-Warsaw Pact stocks were sold to the Middle East including to various shady groups, sometimes via arms traffickers or dealers, sometimes directly in government deals.

    But Bulgarian/Romanian/Yugoslav weapons have been in the Middle East for decades; they were supplied to Socialist Bloc allied Arab governments.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:00 pm

    BTW some of you guys really need to pipe down with the rants and raging.

    Yes we get it, Western media is propagandist and biased, and Charlie Hedbo are stooges and hypocrites. BTW this is nothing we didn't know before.

    Now's not the time for it, the dust hasn't even settled and already new fires are raging over the corpses of those killed. How about observing some respectful silence for the time being, in memory of the victims.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:03 pm

    The first thing French people had to do was to demand Hollande to step down.

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    Re: November 2015 Paris attacks

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:09 pm

    My teeth clench whe I see various "experts" and "analysts" saying that the reasons for these attacks are socioeconomic - while all signs in heaven and the earth point out to the reason being somethign totally different.

    Seriously, if yhe reasons are socioeconomic, then what are these cretins angry at? That they have to move their asses and fill papers for welfare benefits?

    We all know that the root of terrorism lies in the palaces of Al Saud.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:17 pm

    They are partially socioeconomic in the sense that many Islamists cannot rely assimilate in communities like Paris.
    They bring their own traditions and values and they are quite stubborn in maintaining them.
    This is evident in their own manifest as well as from the fact that most perpetrators where 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants.

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