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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:28 am

    max steel wrote:Got this thread from somewhere on status-6 PROGRAM : http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,26054.0.html

    Your Thoughts?

    Just cannot believe in what I´ve read! Like readsing dudes form parallel univewerse.

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    They can't possibly be worried about missile shields. If GBI achieved 100% success rate it wouldn't make a dent. For example, load up an Oscar with 24 nuclear armed land-attack P-700s, park it off Virgina, and what could stop those missiles from launching a decapitating strike. Certainly not GBI. On the other hand these Russian "torpedoes" would be the perfect terror weapon. If say, Russia decided to go into Poland, a NATO country, and the US decided to attack Russian units with conventional forces, Russia could send these torpedoes on their way to NY, DC, Seattle, Sand Diego, etc. They'd be loud enough we'd certainly detect them. But they'd be recallable. Unlike ICBMs Russia could say, "back off and we'll stop them". Imagine the pressure on a US administration to sit on it's hands and do nothing. 10 hours of bedlam.
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    I had an idea a while back and thought I'd share it. I think we're overthinking this. The weapon doesn't actually have to make sense.

    There are two obvious possibilities:

    The first is that the hierarchical non-democratic Russian government has even more opportunities for sycophants than the U.S. government, and as a result may make even worse decisions regarding military procurement.

    The second is that the Russians are using the 'Madman theory' of psychological warfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory). The goal isn't to message to the public, it is to give the impression to world governments and analysts that the Russian regime is unpredictable and irrational in its decisions.
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    and such experts Laughing Laughing Laughing say Russians do not know what they are doing just terror weapons? What a Face What a Face What a Face



    nice graphics though


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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  max steel on Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:55 am

    The Status-6 ocean-going multipurpose system is a separate representative of future Russian submarine force.A self-propelled submersible operating within 10,000-km radius and diving down to 1,000 meters would be a striking force of the system as it is designed to destroy an opponent’s coastal infrastructure. It is supposed to be mounted on nuclear submarines Belgorod (Project 09852) and Khabarovsk (Project 09851). The first one, formerly a cruise missile carrier, is being rebuilt into a special-purpose submarine, and the second one is being built from scratch. Both subs are at the Sevmash shipyard.
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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:47 pm

    max steel wrote:The Status-6 ocean-going multipurpose system is a separate representative of future Russian submarine force.A self-propelled submersible operating within 10,000-km radius and diving down to 1,000 meters would be a striking force of the system as it is designed to destroy an opponent’s coastal infrastructure. It is supposed to be mounted on nuclear submarines Belgorod (Project 09852) and Khabarovsk (Project 09851). The first one, formerly a cruise missile carrier, is being rebuilt into a special-purpose submarine, and the second one is being built from scratch. Both subs are at the Sevmash shipyard.


    A Status-6 recent update


    After making a splash in November, the Status-6 underwater drone has almost completely disappeared from the news. Probably for a good reason - the story looked like a deliberate fake from the beginning. And by all indications it was. Moreover, it appears that the appearance of that Status-6 slide on TV was an elaborate ploy that had something to do with an obscure internal power struggle in the Russian ministry of defense. Details are elusive and not particularly important, but the word is that the episode did result in some very high-level MoD officials being interrogated at Lefortovo regarding the alleged breach of security. Nothing came out of it, however.

    That does not necessarily mean, however, that there is nothing behind the story. In February, a Russian newspaper published an article that mentioned Status-6 and included a photo that shows something that looks very much as a container that can house the drone on the slide:



    The caption says that it's a mockup of a "Skif self-propelled underwater vehicle." The article also has some interesting information about the project (although, as always, some scepticism is advised). It says that tests of the vehicle began the fall of 2008 and it is expected to be ready for deployment in 2019-2023. We still have time to figure it out.

    Another photo, which shows the container from a much closer distance:



    There is nothing inside yet - it's a mockup of the real thing. But the photo appears to have been taken in 2009, so the program may have made some advances since then.

    Speaking of timing, Rose Gottemoeller was asked at the hearings back in December 2015 if the United States was aware of the Status-6 when it was negotiating the New START treaty. She said "unequivocally no." Which is interesting - on the 2009 photo the mockup seems pretty beat-up, so it had been hauled around for some time. Someone must have seen something.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:18 pm

    i presume this is on the same topic.

    Experts Warn ‘NATO has no Chance’ Against Russia's Secret Super Submarines

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160730/1043791769/russia-putin-secret-submarines-NATO.html

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    Project 1083.1 Losharik

    Post  rambo54 on Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:41 pm

    Since the “Arctic-2012” expedition in 2012 where it was sent down to 3000m it was not in the focus.
    AS-12 saw some repairs after that journey at Severodvinsk.
    Now (June 2016) it seems back at Olenya Guba.
    Terraserver has a nice image. There she is together with a Paltus class (AS-35)


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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  Austin on Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:12 pm

    [url=http://www.hisutton.com/Analysis -Russia seeks submarine advantage in Arctic.html]Analysis -Russia seeks submarine advantage in Arctic[/url]


    http://www.hisutton.com/Analysis%20-Russia%20seeks%20submarine%20advantage%20in%20Arctic.html

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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  Honesroc on Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:29 pm

    Austin wrote:

    [url=http://www.hisutton.com/Analysis -Russia seeks submarine advantage in Arctic.html]Analysis -Russia seeks submarine advantage in Arctic[/url]



    http://www.hisutton.com/Analysis%20-Russia%20seeks%20submarine%20advantage%20in%20Arctic.html

    Lol careful - Gary blasted me for using HI Sutton as a source last month.

    ...screwy forum, this.
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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:44 am


    Lol careful - Gary blasted me for using HI Sutton as a source last month.

    ...screwy forum, this.

    It has in giant letters:

    "turning the Arctic into Russia's own back yard"

    I mean really... the bald face temerity of Russia to even consider turning its own back yard into its own back yard.

    Doesn't it realise that the US does not understand geography and the Arctic obviously belongs to the US.

    Lots of interesting information but ruined by so much western STUPID.

    It is like a fan boy site that peppers its articles with western stereotypes to get some credibility with a western audience... and to be honest that turns my stomach... it is just creepy. And ignorant.


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    BS 64 Podmoskovye

    Post  Ned86 on Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:39 pm

    Special purpose nuclear submarine BS-64 Podmoskovye started sea trials in white sea, after spending 16 years at Zvezdochka.
    Originally, Submarine was built 1986 as third boat in Delta IV class SSBN.
    Later it was decided to convert it to special purpose submarine.
    After finishing all trials, she will become part of 29 separate submarine brigade of Northern fleet.


    https://defence.ru/article/atomnaya-podlodka-podmoskove-vishla-na-pervie-khodovie-ispitaniya-v-more/
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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  zg18 on Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:09 pm

    Special purpose sub BS-64 Podmoskovye goes to sea trails


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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:17 pm

    zg18 wrote:Special purpose sub BS-64 Podmoskovye goes to sea trails



    Any idea whats this things mission or what it's meant to do.
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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  franco on Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:24 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Special purpose sub BS-64 Podmoskovye goes to sea trails



    Any idea whats this things mission or what it's meant to do.

    Originally built to be a SSBM but converted to be a mini-sub carrier.
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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:42 pm

    franco wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Special purpose sub BS-64 Podmoskovye goes to sea trails



    Any idea whats this things mission or what it's meant to do.

    Originally built to be a SSBM but converted to be a mini-sub carrier.

    Oh I assume for various special missions that require mini subs will this be the only sub carrier russia fields or will there be more?
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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  franco on Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:55 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    franco wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Special purpose sub BS-64 Podmoskovye goes to sea trails



    Any idea whats this things mission or what it's meant to do.

    Originally built to be a SSBM but converted to be a mini-sub carrier.

    Oh I assume for various special missions that require mini subs will this be the only sub carrier russia fields or will there be more?

    There is a second, the BS-136 Orenburg which is a converted SSBM sub also but of an older version.
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    Special purpose sub BS-64 Podmoskovye goes to sea trails

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:25 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    franco wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Special purpose sub BS-64 Podmoskovye goes to sea trails



    Any idea whats this things mission or what it's meant to do.

    Originally built to be a SSBM but converted to be a mini-sub carrier.

    Oh I assume for various special missions that require mini subs will this be the only sub carrier russia fields or will there be more?

    They'll definitely build more, fitted with autonomous sub "Kanyon", with Status-6 munition load outs.

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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:22 pm

    Seems to be a fair write-up.

    https://warisboring.com/russias-secret-spy-submarine-returns-to-sea-after-16-years-ea06e513f953#.pj4rzq1b6

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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  Ned86 on Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:42 pm

    Another video of BS-64 Podmoskovye submarine going for sea trials.

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    B-90 "Sarov" project 20120

    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:14 pm

    The Russian towing submarine B-90 "Sarov" project 20120 was made allegedly autonomous underwater shock test apparatus, conventionally referred to the US as Kanyon. Kanyon device associated with the sensational "ocean multipurpose system" status-6, developed by JSC" CDB ME "Rubin".

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2311949.html



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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  George1 on Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:42 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:

    The Belgorod will be completed in 2018.
    Rumors that it is 11m longer than the others.

    http://www.i-mash.ru/news/nov_predpr/90432-sevmash-peredast-apl-belgorod-vmf-rossii-na.html

    http://izvestia.ru/news/688769

    Yes..Some news on it:

    Belgorod "will become the longest nuclear submarine in the world


    The newspaper Izvestia published an article by Dmitry Litovkin on April 21, 2017, The Navy will receive the largest nuclear submarine in the world. The updated "Belgorod" will surpass even the legendary underwater cruiser Typhoon, in which it is reported that the research nuclear submarine project 09852 Belgorod will become the largest submarine in the Russian Navy. According to its size and displacement, it will overtake the heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Project 941 of the Typhoon type entered in the Guinness Book of Records.

    Project 09852 is designed to carry out research missions. It will be the carrier of uninhabited deep-sea vehicles and bathyscaphes, as well as special scientific equipment. It will be engaged in studying the bottom of the Russian Arctic shelf, searching for greater depth of minerals, and also laying underwater communications.

    The submarine is created on the basis of the unfinished strike missile carrier 949A of the project of type "Antey". These boats were built in the USSR as a response to the deployment of American aircraft carrier compounds in the World Ocean. Twenty launchers of supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles "Granit" were on board.

    As Izvestia was told in the Navy command, the work on upgrading the submarine will be completed in 2018. At the moment, Belgorod is located on the stocks of the Severodvinsk machine-building enterprise. It redesigned the central part. Instead of a rocket compartment, a new one, almost 30 m in, is slammed in. Special equipment will be placed in it, lock chambers for the transition of seamen to deep-sea vehicles, and also the divers exit will be installed. As a result, the size of the Antey increased from the original 154 to 184 meters. That is eleven meters more than the largest nuclear submarine Typhoon.

    Professor of the Academy of Military Sciences Vadim Kozyulin told Izvestia that the submarine "Belgorod" will become not only the largest, but also the most unique submarine of the Russian fleet.

    - According to some information, Belgorod will become a carrier of the AS-31 autonomous deepwater station "Losharik", the expert said. - It will transport and install on the seabed autonomous nuclear submarine modules designed to charge uninhabited submarines. The submarine will ensure the deployment of a global underwater monitoring system, which the military is building on the bottom of the Arctic seas.

    Before the appearance of Belgorod, the 941-class Typhoon submarine was one of the most unique weapons systems in the world. Its full displacement is almost 50 thousand tons. Length 173 m, width 23 m. Inside the light (external) superstructure there are five solid shells. They contain combat posts, crew cabins, a sauna, a swimming pool, a sports hall and the most unusual - a smoking room, which is not on any other submarine in the world.

    The bmpd comment. Even if the information given by Izvestia is correct, then Belgorod will become the only largest longest nuclear submarine, and by displacement (surface and underwater) will still yield to the ships of Project 941.

    Recall that the ceremony of laying the atomic research submarine of project 09852 (serial number 91664) was held on December 20th, 2012 in the shed of OAO Severnoye Mashinostroitelnoye Oblast (SME) Production Association in Severodvinsk. Project 09852 was developed by TsKB MT Rubin (St. Petersburg) within the framework of the R&D "Remounting" based on the design of the 949A nuclear missile submarine. In fact, a new project 09852 of the nuclear missile submarine K-329 Belgorod (plant number 664) of the modified project 949A was actually re-laid. "Belgorod" was started construction in 1990 and was formally laid down on July 24, 1992, becoming the first ship of the modified project 949A. Finally, the construction of Belgorod was stopped in 2006 with a total technical readiness of about 76%. Now "Belgorod" is being completed on the project 09852 as a large nuclear submarine-carrier of inhabited and uninhabited submarines. The customer is the Main Directorate of Deepwater Research (GGI) of the Russian Ministry of Defense (some details).

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2563588.html


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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:34 pm

    There is the reason why Russia doesn't bother to make sea patrol airplanes. : )


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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:43 am

    It has a fleet of recently upgraded Il-38s in service that should be fine for the next decade or so.

    Or are you one of those kids that see the P-8 and want a Russian equivalent to crow about on the internet?


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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  Singular_Transform on Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:50 pm

    GarryB wrote:It has a fleet of recently upgraded Il-38s in service that should be fine for the next decade or so.

    Or are you one of those kids that see the P-8 and want a Russian equivalent to crow about on the internet?

    Russia has a small fleet of maritime patrol aircrafts.

    Because those are complement only the sensor network.
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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  franco on Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:50 am

    Article on the changes to the Belgorod special sub.

    https://topwar.ru/114198-novosti-modernizacii-apl-belgorod.html

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