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    Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  Kyo on Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:50 pm

    Anyone heard of this? It's supposed to be top-secret.

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150112/1016805883.html

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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  Kyo on Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:13 pm

    Russian Wiki says the following (Google translator):

    AS-12, also known as "Losharik" - Russian deep nuclear submarine (the official Russian naval classification - deep nuclear station), not carrying weapons and can dive to depths of up to 1000 [3] , and according to some sources even before 6000 meters [4] . Can be used for special operations of various kinds, according to unconfirmed reports, can dive to a depth of six kilometers and is equipped with various equipment for underwater work [5]
    Nuclear Power Plant Project 10831 [1] , serial number 01210 [citation 1,057 days] , some sources indicate the side number [6] or project number 210 [2] was developed by designers Bureau "Malachite" in the 1980s . The chief designer of the project - General Designer of deep-technical means, the Hero of Russia Yu M. Konovalov . Project 10831 was a further development of nuclear stations deepwater projects in 1910 "Sperm Whale" and 1851 "Halibut" . [3] The construction of the submarine was carried out in 1988, and in the 1990s due to lack of funding and the rejection of the concept of operations for special purposes, it was conserved and early 2000s was continued.

    Design and construction of the submarine was carried out under conditions of high secrecy . The number of people employed in the process of construction workers and engineers submarines rigidly regulated in the course of 15 years, who had gone to her building [7] [8] .

    The submarine, which was given the tactical number AS-12, 13 August 2003 [3], [4] was derived from the slipway shop number 42 factory "Sevmash" . At the ceremony O submarine from the slipway attended Navy Commander Vladimir Kuroyedov and representatives of CB "Malachite" . Three days later, was promoted to the descent of the submarine water [7] [8] .

    At the end of September 2012 the submarine participated in a research expedition "Arctic-2012", during which collect soil and rock samples at a depth of 2.5-3 km for 20 days. [9] [10]

    In January 2015, the Russian edition of " Top Gear "published the first picture quality AC-12. The submarine was accidentally sfotografirovanna car during a photo shoot on the shores of the White Sea [11] .

    Robust housing PL - polisferichesky , that is assembled from several spherical compartments (implemented the principle bathysphere ) made ​​of titanium and located inside the elongated body light "classical" form. Due to this, the rugged to withstand the water pressure at great depth.

    According to experts, "Sevmash" appearance "Losharika" nothing can be said about this project embodied in the submarine capabilities [7] . According to open sources, the power plant is a small submarine nuclear reactor . The presence of weapons in the base of the submarine project information is not available.

    Carrier "Losharika" is a special-purpose submarines BS-136 "Orenburg" [1] project 09786.

    The name of the boat was on the cartoon character - horse of the balls.

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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  Kyo on Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:57 pm


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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:27 am

    Thing i want to ask is of course.. How they can be sure if it's Losharik ?

    In my view that sub above is kinda similar of earlier Kashalot.

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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:05 am

    In Sep this year, the NYT quoted USN officials about 'suspicious' activities of Russian ships and subs around underwater fibre optic cables that are crucial for internet traffic between Europe and the US and China & Japan and US. Apparently at best, they are worried they are planting bugs and sensors on the cables and at worst, that they could cut the cables in times of a crisis....they're also worried about sensors being placed on the SOSUS underwater cables designed to monitor the movements of Russian subs

    The Russians deny the accusations, but various military commentators are saying those sort of activities were going on during the cold war and haven't really ceased since then....one of the vessels mentioned as specifically tasked with such a role is the Losharic sub



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    Post  artjomh on Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:34 pm



    A sad day for OPSEC on Russian TV today...

    Anyway, for those who don't recognize the silhouettes: top left is Belgorod (project 09852, a rebuilt Oscar II class SSGN), top right is Khabarovsk (project 09851), bottom center is Sarov (project 20120)

    Middle center: Skif, a rocket/torpedo/who-the-fuck-knows-what-it-is, that has been tested on Sarov and will be deployed on Begorod and Khabarovsk.

    That is all for now.


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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:23 pm

    artjomh wrote:

    A sad day for OPSEC on Russian TV today...

    Anyway, for those who don't recognize the silhouettes: top right is Belgorod (project 09852, a rebuilt Oscar II class SSGN), top left is Khabarovsk (project 09851), bottom center is Sarov (project 20120)

    Middle center: Skif, a rocket/torpedo/who-the-fuck-knows-what-it-is, that has been tested on Sarov and will be deployed on Begorod and Khabarovsk.

    That is all for now.

    Actually, it seems to me that the Russian "OPSEC" successfully scores again. Most probably, that's not a real depiction of the Sarov-affiliated Skif.

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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  artjomh on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:18 pm

    Revealing the fact that Khabarovsk has a pump jet is relevant information in of itself, tbh.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:23 pm

    Ι think these submarines' role is R & D for new weapons, just this


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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:26 pm

    artjomh wrote:Revealing the fact that Khabarovsk has a pump jet is relevant information in of itself, tbh.

    True if true.


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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:27 pm

    artjomh wrote:Revealing the fact that Khabarovsk has a pump jet is relevant information in of itself, tbh.
    Quite possibly the data is only released when they are aware that the 'other side' already knows something about the subject. That is the point that more details, sorry disinformation, can be published.

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    Post  artjomh on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:44 pm



    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:59 pm

    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.

    Thank you, Artjomh.

    Does it say it can be deployed to a depth of 1000 m?

    It also mentions the caliber, doesn't it? Is it 1.1 m? I can't really discern it.

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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:51 am

    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.

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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  zg18 on Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:58 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:Revealing the fact that Khabarovsk has a pump jet is relevant information in of itself, tbh.
    Quite possibly the data is only released when they are aware that the 'other side' already knows something about the subject. That is the point that more details, sorry disinformation, can be published.

    Yes , US knows something:

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-building-nuclear-armed-drone-submarine/

    This from 2 months ago.


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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  zg18 on Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:01 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.

    "Ocean Multipurpose System" status-6

    Application: loss of important economic facilities of the enemy in the vicinity of the coast and causing assured unacceptable damage to the country through the establishment of zones of extensive radioactive contamination, unsuitable for implementation in these areas of military, economic, business or other activity for a long time."

    English translation.

    No wonder US is upset.

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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:42 pm

    zg18 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.

    "Ocean Multipurpose System" status-6

    Application: loss of important economic facilities of the enemy in the vicinity of the coast and causing assured unacceptable damage to the country through the establishment of zones of extensive radioactive contamination, unsuitable for implementation in these areas of military, economic, business or other activity for a long time."

    English translation.

    No wonder US is upset.


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:57 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.

    I did some calculations, it can reach it's max range in 2.25 days....looks like the U.S. based Neocons bit off more than they can chew. By wrecking all US/Russia relations, the Neocons have forced the Russian's to develop whole new concepts and strategy of Hybrid/Asymmetrical Warfare, such as this cruise missile equivalent of a torpedo, or cruise torpedo perhaps.

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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:05 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.

    I did some calculations, it can reach it's max range in 2.25 days....looks like the U.S. based Neocons bit off more than they can chew. By wrecking all US/Russia relations, the Neocons have forced the Russian's to develop whole new concepts and strategy of Hybrid/Asymmetrical Warfare, such as this cruise missile equivalent of a torpedo, or cruise torpedo perhaps.
    Its one hell of a tactical, say around 200 miles, as well as strategic weapon, exactly as you say, an underwater cruise missile. Guidance will be an interesting challenge, perhaps it pops up to the surface every few hours for location and target data. Even if it was just loitering passively on the surface, searching for them would a classic needle in a haystack job.

    Was there any indication of diameter in the info?

    Could probably be launched from many ships,military or civil, perhaps by crane or helicopter, as oppose to just pushing it over the side.

    They should call it the SubSeaKalibr

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:33 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.

    I did some calculations, it can reach it's max range in 2.25 days....looks like the U.S. based Neocons bit off more than they can chew. By wrecking all US/Russia relations, the Neocons have forced the Russian's to develop whole new concepts and strategy of Hybrid/Asymmetrical Warfare, such as this cruise missile equivalent of a torpedo, or cruise torpedo perhaps.

    I think "Skif's" functionality consists of first being fired from a sub; subsequently, it usually rests on the seabed awaiting a launch command, and then raises to the surface with the ICBM stages of the weapon completing the ballistic journey to the target in about 30 minutes (for approximately the "max" range).

    The following images may be those of the "Skif" being loaded onto Sarov.







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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  max steel on Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:20 pm

    Well US has its own  : Navy Plans To Deploy A Submarine Drone Squadron by 2020


    Large Displacement Unmanned Underwater Vehicle, or LDUUV, a 10-foot, highly autonomous, and very, very yellow subdrone, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus said .It’s not yet clear just what missions will be performed by the LDUUV, which resembles a giant robot canary fish crossed with a sausage. Some Navy watchers expect it to boost attack submarines’ intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities, but officials with the Office of Naval Research pushed back against such speculation. “Right now, it’s just an empty platform with some innovative power production things that will help increase its endurance.The LDUUV currently has an undersea endurance of 30 days but the eventual goal is to stretch that to years.




    Maybe they have different objectives they are going for a drone whereas russia is going for sub but I also read that Russia has its own underwater unmanned drones for Yasen Class Sub.


    From ABC : Secret nuclear torpedo schematics accidentally leaked, Russia admits

    This so-called “leak” of “secret documents” is, of course, no leak at all. This is a completely deliberate action. To imagine that a Russian journalist could, just by mistake, film a secret document (helpfully held up for him by a general) and then just walk away, get it passed his editor and air it is laughable. Any footage taken in a meeting of the President with his senior generals would be checked many times over. No, this was a deliberate way to remind the USA that if they really are hell-bent on spending billions of dollars in a futile quest to create some kind of anti-missile system Russia could easily develop a cheap weapon system to still threaten the USA with total annihilation. Because, make no mistake, the kind of long range torpedo being suggested here would be rather cheap to build using only already existing technologies. I would even add that rather than setting such a weapon off the US coast the system could also be designed to fire off a secondary missile (ballistic or cruise) which could then fly to any inland target. Again, such technologies already exist in the Russian military and have even been deployed on a smaller scale.






    The long range torpedoes, on the other hand, have existed since the Soviet Union. The “Tsar Torpedo” or T-15, designed in the 80-s by the Rubin Institute, was 1.6 m (5 feet) in diameter and op. depth of 1,000 m (3,000 feet). The main goal of that monster was to create a tsunami, but without long-lasting effects of radiation on the targeted area.


    The new system “Status-6” would turn huge coastal areas into a Fukushima/Chernobyl-like exclusion zones for centuries to come.





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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  artjomh on Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:35 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:The following images may be those of the "Skif" being loaded onto Sarov.

    I don't think that's Status-6.

    The Status-6 UUV has to be around 35-40 meters long, if the proportions on the slide are correct (just take the 1.6 meter diameter and extrapolate the length).

    That thing is much smaller.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:38 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.

    I did some calculations, it can reach it's max range in 2.25 days....looks like the U.S. based Neocons bit off more than they can chew. By wrecking all US/Russia relations, the Neocons have forced the Russian's to develop whole new concepts and strategy of Hybrid/Asymmetrical Warfare, such as this cruise missile equivalent of a torpedo, or cruise torpedo perhaps.

    I think "Skif's" functionality consists of first being fired from a sub; subsequently, it usually rests on the seabed awaiting a launch command, and then raises to the surface with the ICBM stages of the weapon completing the ballistic journey to the target in about 30 minutes (for approximately the "max" range).

    The following images may be those of the "Skif" being loaded onto Sarov.






    It seems that Skif and Status-6 are different. Status-6 is more in line with T-5 and T-15. It should be noted that Status-6 seems to have a diameter of 1.6 m (nominal?), and T-15 had a diameter of 1.55 m (again, nominal?).

    Here is an image apparently of T-5 (21'').



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    Re: Special Purpose Nuclear Submarines

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:25 am

    Considering the range of the torpedo/cruise weapon... I would think it would be easy enough to launch them from ports and coastal areas... you could have a half dozen attached to a central core pylon that could be towed to open ocean by a tug and released... the bottom one drops off and the change in weight balance rotates the cluster with the now bottom weapon released and so on till there is just an empty pylon left to be towed back to shore... either for reloading or storage.

    Just like a real cruise missile you could programme it to take an unexpected route and have it appear from a very unexpected direction... perhaps every hour it could approach the surface and update its inertial navigation system...

    Excellent idea... because when you think your sneak attack has won the day your ports start exploding... I would expect these things could even be used to navigate up large rivers too...

    Of course there is not much value in having such weapons if the enemy don't know you have them so letting the other side know about them hopefully will make WWIII less likely.


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    Post  Rmf on Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:37 pm

    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.

    then this thing cannot be intercepted by anything in military today.
    how does it navigate by inertial/ geomagnetic then scaning ocean bottom closer to shore?
    50% of world population lives within 150km from sea. this is a radiation boosted weapon and water nuclear explosions can be very dirty.

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