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    Russia–Serbia Partnership

    Post  Jelena on Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:02 pm

    Russia To Discuss Serbia Partnership
    Aug 5, 2009

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev will attend a summit in Belgrade in October to flesh out a “strategic partnership” with Serbia, the Kremlin announced Wednesday.

    Medvedev was invited by his counterpart Boris Tadic and they spoke on the telephone about the proposed “concrete talks on bilateral cooperation,” it said.

    The two countries signed energy accords in December, including a proposal for Russian energy giant OAO Gazprom to acquire 51% of Serbian oil monopoly or Naftna Industrija Srbije.

    Another pact allows for the passage of a Russo-Italian gas pipeline through Serbia.


    The Russian president will also attend ceremonies marking the liberation of Belgrade in World War II.

    August 05, 2009
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    Tadić, Medvedev meet in Belgrade

    Post  Jelena on Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:58 pm

    Tadić, Medvedev meet in Belgrade


    20 October 2009 | 09:55 -> 14:58 | Source: B92, Beta, Tanjug

    BELGRADE -- Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is in Belgrade for a historic visit – the first by a Russian president to Serbia as a sovereign and independent country.


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    Tadić, Medvedev meet in Belgrade
    20 October 2009 | 09:55 -> 14:58 | Source: B92, Beta, Tanjug
    BELGRADE -- Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is in Belgrade for a historic visit – the first by a Russian president to Serbia as a sovereign and independent country.

    Medvedev and his delegation, that includes Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, arrived here at 11:00 CET.

    The president's motorcade reached the Palace of Serbia in New Belgrade half an hour later, where he was welcomed with a military ceremony and by his host, Serbian President Boris Tadić.

    As the two presidents emerged from their face-to-face talks, Tadić told reporters that relations between Serbia and Russia have been improving for years, and that there is mutual understanding in all the areas where the two states are active.

    He expressed his gratitude to Medvedev for the principled and strong support that Serbia has received from Russia in the fight to defend its integrity in Kosovo.

    Tadić told a joint new conference that his meeting with Medvedev in Belgrade this Tuesday was "exceptional".

    The Serbian president stated that Russia is am essential factor of international policy, world economy and international security.

    Tadić concluded that during the conversation today, he reiterated his position that the global economic crisis also represents a security challenge, and that a new economic and security architecture of Europe and the world is needed.

    The Russian president also addressed reporters to say that Moscow will defend Serbia's sovereignty "in its entirety, when it comes to Kosovo".

    Medvedev described his talks with Tadić as "excellent", and said that while relations between the two countries are developing, new projects will create and even closer bond between them.

    "We are on the right path now and these projects are showing the historical bond between Serbia and Russia. NIS modernization, participation in the construction of South Stream, Banatski Dvor underground storage, all these are big projects that Europe's energy security depends on, something we've been working on actively," stated the Russian leader.

    Medvedev also stressed that Russia supports Serbia's decision regarding EU integrations.

    He noted that there is already large-scale exchange in the area of culture, and that "relations between the people of Serbia and Russia have lasted for centuries because we are spiritually close".

    Earlier in the day, Medvedev was greeted at the airport by First Deputy PM Ivica Dačić and Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić. They, along with Prime Minister Mirko Cvetković, also arrived to the Palace of Serbia.

    After their meeting, Medvedev and Tadić joined their delegations for the signing of a series of agreements.

    Representatives of the government of Serbia and Russia signed five interstate agreements on cooperation.

    An agreement on cooperation in the area of humanitarian response in emergency situations, prevention of technological accidents and removal of their consequences was signed by Serbian Interior Minister Ivica Dačić and Russian Minister for Emergency Situations Sergei Shoigu.

    Dačić, in his capacity of first deputy PM, and Russia's FM Sergei Lavrov signed an agreement on cooperation in the area of internal affairs.

    Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić and his Russian counterpart Lavrov signed an agreement on cooperation in the areas of culture, science, sports and youth policy for the 2009-2011 period.

    Serbian National Assembly President Slavica Đukić-Dejanović and Deputy Speaker of the Russian State Duma Aleksandr Babakov signed an agreement on parliamentary cooperation between the two countries.

    State Secretary in the Serbian Ministry of Economy and Regional Development Vesna Arsić and Governor of the Kursk Region Aleskandr Mikhaylov signed a memorandum of cooperation between the administration of Russia's region of Kursk and the Serbian Ministry.

    Srbijagas Director Dušan Bajatović and Gazprom CEO Aleksey Miller signed a contract on the South Stream pipeline and setting up of a joint-venture company for the Banatski Dvor gas storage facility.

    Meanwhile, security had been raised to the highest level around the venue of the meeting.

    6,000 police officers are on duty during Medvedev’s visit. The Russian president, who will be spending around eight hours in the capital, will also be addressing MPs in parliament today.

    Serbian security will be at Medvedev’s beck and call from the moment he enters Serbian airspace until the moment he leaves.

    Serbian police (MUP) and the security services (BIA) have formed a special committee made up of members of various agencies. Russian special forces arrived in Belgrade last week.

    Medvedev and Tadić, together with Belgrade Mayor Dragan Đilas and representatives of World War II veterans, are also expected to lay wreaths at the Liberators’ Cemetery in Belgrade, before moving on to an official lunch.

    At 16:00 CET, the Russian president is expected to address Serbian MPs, before attending a cocktail party for him, his delegation, as well as Serbian parliamentarians and officials at the National Parliament.

    Some 570 journalists - 55 Russian, 40 from the region and abroad - are reporting from the visit today.

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=20&nav_id=62457

    Some photographs from the meeting.






    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev (C) and his Serbian counterpart Boris Tadic (R) lay flowers at World War II Liberators Cemetery in Belgrade October 20, 2009.





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    Re: Russia–Serbia Partnership

    Post  Jelena on Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:03 am

    Russian "emergency center" to be at Niš airport


    29 October 2009

    BELGRADE -- Russian Ambassador to Serbia Aleksandr Konuzin revealed on Wednesday the location of the emergency center set to be built in Niš, southern Serbia.

    "Both Russian and Serb side are very interested in building such a center, that will be stationed at the Niš airport," said Konzin.

    The town will be home to special emergency situations aviation fleet, "and necessary equipment and materials for action".

    The Russian ambassador noted that several regional countries have already expressed their desire to participate in the work of the center – the establishment of which was agreed during the recent visit to Serbia by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

    Konuzin mentioned Greece, Montenegro and Croatia in this context, "which suffer the most from wildfires during summer".

    "We must unite forces in answering threats"


    The initiative of Russian President Dmitry Medvedev regarding the drafting of a legally binding agreement on European security is a reflection of the need to unite forces in answering huge threats that Europe and the rest of the world are faced with, Russia's Konuzin commented on Thursday.

    Reminding that the initiative had been launched last year and that Medvedev had raised the issue once again during his recent visit to Belgrade, the Russian ambassador said in an article published by the Belgrade weekly NIN that the idea was very important for Serbia, as the only country which was faced with the threat of being torn apart.

    Pointing out that the current system of European security did not correspond to reality since it was created during the Cold War with the aim to prevent a conflict between NATO and the Warsaw Pact, Konuzin reminded that the attempts of the 1990s to modernize that field had proved fruitless.

    Serbia, which is not part of any military alliance, should be interested in this proposal, Konuzin wrote, and reminded that the deadly wheels of war had rolled over the country on two occasions, in the two world wars.

    "Furthermore, Serbia is the only country which after World War II was bombed by the members of one military alliance," the ambassador added.

    Konuzin concluded "with satisfaction" that Russia's proposal was met with a positive reaction and that Serbian President Boris Tadić responded constructively to the stands which Medvedev presented during his visit last week.

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=10&dd=29&nav_id=62669

    This article was really interesting to me... There is something going on and some new strategical positions are opened.
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    Re: Russia–Serbia Partnership

    Post  Jelena on Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:01 am

    Serbia to ink South Stream company deal


    16 November 2009 | 15:07 | Source: Tanjug
    BELGRADE -- A contract that will establish the South Stream Serbia company will be signed on Tuesday in Switzerland.


    Serbia's public gas enterprise Srbijagas and Russia's Gazprom will sign the founding act, Srbijagas CEO Dušan Bajatović has confirmed.

    A statement from his office said on Monday that this will be the first in a series of companies that will be established with the countries participating in the project.

    South Stream is Russia's natural gas pipeline project that is set to ship gas to Europe circumventing Ukraine.

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=11&dd=16&nav_id=63080
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    DSS and United Russia sign cooperation deal

    Post  Jelena on Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:42 am

    DSS and United Russia sign cooperation deal


    21 November 2009 | 13:40 | Source: Beta
    BELGRADE -- Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS) officials have signed a cooperation agreement for the period of 2010-2012 with the United Russia party.

    DSS states that the agreement includes ten points which relate to cooperation between non-governmental organizations founded by the two parties.

    DSS leader Vojislav Koštunica said that United Russia, which is led by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, is an important party in an important country for Serbia, and that the signing of the agreement is very significant.
    He said that DSS signed an agreement for general cooperation with the party in 2007, which was made more concrete through several other agreements that enabled full cooperation between the parties.

    The agreement signed on Saturday will focus on NGO cooperation, including the work of the Slobodan Jovanović Fund, founded by DSS, and the Center for Social Conservative Politics, which United Russia founded.

    Koštunica said that DSS officials attended the United Russia congress for the second time, adding that many participators from Russia and all of Europe were in attendance.

    “We attended the congress this year and last year, and today I spoke at a round table which was dedicated this year to the question of social responsibility in the conditions of the world financial crisis,” the DSS president said.

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=11&dd=21&nav_id=63199
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    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:17 am

    "Russia and Serbia bound by past, present, future"

    Nikolić stated during the meeting that "it is good that Serbia and Russia are bound by the present as they are by the past, and will with the constant development of bilateral cooperation, also be bound by the future."

    The Russian delegation included Konstantin Kosachev, head of the Federal Agency for the Commonwealth of Independent States, Compatriots Living Abroad and International Humanitarian Coopearion, and Valery Ryazansky, president of the Committee of the Council of the Federation for Social Policy.

    Kosachov and Ryazansky informed Nikolić about the completion of restoration works on the Russian Necropolis complex in Belgrade - the resting place of Russian soldiers and officers who died during the liberation of the Serbian capital in WW1. The Russian officials expressed their gratitude for the support of Serbia's public administration for the repair of the memorial site.

    Kosachev also said he hoped that the president of Serbia, along with other world leaders, would attend the celebration of the 70th anniversary of WW2 victory over fascism, to be held in Moscow next year.

    In October, at the invitation of Nikolić, Russian President Vladimir Putin is expected to arrive in Belgrade and take part in the marking of the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Serbia's capital city, a statement issued by the president's press service noted.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:18 am

    Russia joined WW1 because it had to protect Serbia - Putin

    MOSCOW -- The tragedy of the Great War is a reminder of the consequences of aggression, egotism, and excessive ambition taking precedence over common sense.

    This is what Vladimir Putin said in Moscow on Friday during a ceremony to honor the First World War Heroes.

    "Instead of guarding the safest continent in the world, Europe, they put it in danger,," the Russian leader said, Itar-Tass reported.

    "We should not forget that today. We should learn to see at least one step ahead," he said, adding that "violence begets violence," while "a path to peace and prosperity rests on goodwill and dialogue, and memory and lessons of past wars. And about who and why started them."

    "On the even of the First World War Russia did everything to resolve the conflict between Serbia and Austria-Hungary peacefully, without bloodshed. But Russia was not listened to. As a result Russia had to answer the challenge to defend the brotherly Slavic people," Putin said.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:18 am

    Serbia producers get big chance as Russia orders retaliatory sanctions

    BELGRADE, August 07. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia’s response to Western sanctions opens “vast prospects” for exports from Serbia, which has not joined sanctions against Russia over Ukraine, the president of the Serbian Chamber of Commerce and Industry said on Thursday.

    “The Russian market is open for supplies, first of all plums and other agricultural products, as well as dairy products and confectionery,” Zelijko Sertic said, adding that the Chamber had already sent inquiries to all municipalities to make up the list of companies that could supply products to the Russian market.

    He warned possible exporters that the Russian market “differs a lot at present from the way it used to be. The Russian market is more complex nowadays, demands are more concrete and high, while control of inspection services is much stricter than before,” he said.

    Russia plans to boost food imports from Uruguay
    Sertic said last year 768 Serbian companies were exporting their products to Russia, and all of them have received instructions on demands of Russian sanitary control agencies to vegetables and fruit.

    He said Russia’s retaliatory sanctions against the West were offering vast possibilities to Serbia’s agricultural sector, as “it is obvious that Russia will need imports of new products in place of earlier imports”.

    Apart from dried plum, he also mentioned exports of meat and meat products, the quotas on which were not exhausted. “The development of livestock breeding is one of priority directions in Serbia, as well as the growing of such cultures as plums, which used to be Serbia’s strong point,” Sertic said. He added, however, that plum crop this year was insufficient even for the production of domestic rakia (fruit vodka).

    “The Russian market is also open for all dairy products, cheese based on vegetable fats, confectionery, a wide range of agricultural products and food, but conditions for us are the same as for all the others,” he said.

    President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday signed a decree on countermeasures to Western sanctions, which prohibits or restricts, for one year, the import of certain kinds of agricultural products, raw materials and food originating in a country that has imposed economic sanctions against Russian companies and (or) individuals or has joined such sanctions.

    Russia to negotiate with Belarus to prevent banned food re-exports
    Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev announced on Thursday that the Russian government imposed a one-year ban on imports of beef, pork, poultry, fish, cheeses, fruit, vegetables and dairy products from Australia, Canada, the European Union, the United States and Norway.

    The list of the banned products includes cattle meat (fresh, chilled and refrigerated), pork (fresh, chilled and refrigerated), poultry meat and all poultry edible by-products, salted meat, pickled meat, dried meat, smoked meat, fish and shell fish, clams and other water invertebrates, milk and dairy products, vegetables, edible roots and tuber crops, fruits and nuts, sausage and analogous meat products, meat by-products or blood, as well as products made of them, ready-to-eat products including cheeses and cottage-cheese based on vegetable fats.
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    Re: Russia–Serbia Partnership

    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:21 pm

    Russian Sappers Defuse Almost 300 Projectiles in Serbia This Year

    MOSCOW, August 25 (RIA Novosti) – Russian Emergencies Ministry Sappers have defused about 300 projectiles of various calibers in Serbia this year, a ministry spokesman told RIA Novosti on Monday.

    "The experts examined an area of more than 400,000 square meters and neutralized 283 explosive objects," the spokesman said.

    The group has been defusing projectiles in Serbia since 2008, and in the town of Paracin, 150 kilometers south of Belgrade, since 2009. Sappers are seeking and defusing explosive objects that have been left buried in the ground since the First and Second World Wars, the NATO bombing of 1999 and an explosion at a local army warehouse in 2006. The mission is expected to end in 2017.

    The Russian Emergencies Ministry cooperates with many international organizations, such as the UN Office for the Organization of Humanitarian Affairs and the Office of the High Commissioner for Refugees, the World Food Programme, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), Stepanov said.

    One of the largest international humanitarian operations conducted by the ministry was to help the people of Yugoslavia, who suffered from the 1999 NATO bombing. Russia worked with Switzerland, Greece and Austria in the battle-torn country in the spring and summer of 1999.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:28 pm

    Russian, Serbian Presidents to Discuss South Stream Project: Kremlin Aide

    MOSCOW, October 15 (RIA Novosti) – Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Serbian counterpart Tomislav Nikolic will discuss the South Stream project, as well as a number of bilateral issues during their meeting in Belgrade on October 16, Kremlin aide Yuri Ushakov said Wednesday.

    "As for the talks in Belgrade, energy will be discussed, including the South Stream, the situation with the Serbian oil company NIS. As you know, there are still several problems,” the Russian presidential aide said.

    “They will also discuss issues related to the Russian Railways cooperation. JSC Russian Railways is actively involved in various projects related to the reconstruction of Serbian railways,” Ushakov added.

    On October 7, Serbia reaffirmed its commitment to build a leg of the South Stream pipeline, a Russia-led project that would bypass Ukraine to bring natural gas to Europe. Russia's Gazprom energy giant started building the pipeline in 2012 and it is expected to be fully operational by 2018.

    Over the past few months, Russia has been seeking to strengthen its cooperation with Serbia amid a freeze with its ties with the European Union, which Belgrade has plans to join.

    Putin will commence the official visit to Belgrade on Thursday. The trip is timed to coincide with the 70th anniversary of Belgrade’s liberation from Nazi Germany’s occupation. The Russian leader is expected to attend a remembrance ceremony, in what Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov earlier described as the “central event” of the president’s visit. Putin is then expected to meet with President Nicolic and Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic to discuss the key issues of bilateral cooperation, first of all in the trade and economic sphere.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:20 pm

    Russia's airborne units arrive for joint SREM-2014 anti-terror drills

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    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:37 pm

    Serbia pays first $100 million for gas debt to Russia

    BELGRADE, December 31. /TASS/. Serbia has paid to Russia $100 million as first part of its natural gas debt from $224 million overall gas debt, the B92 newspaper reported on Wednesday.

    Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic said back in October that Serbia could pay this sum in the short term.

    Decisions regarding future pipelines to Europe to accommodate Serbia's interests — Lavrov

    “This would be very difficult to pay all the debt until March. This would immediately affect the state debt which we want to reduce,” Vucic noted.

    The prime minister noted that Serbian budget indicators in September were good and he hoped that they would be even better by the year-end, primarily thanks to good collectability of excise duties.

    The payment of $100 million in second tranche is expected before the end of 2015 and the remaining part of $24 million in 2016.

    Serbia’s debt to Russia has grown sharply from $30 million in 2012 to current $224 million for the last several years. Serbia has recently insisted on debt payment by assets. Serbia is ready to pass its state-run oil refining company Petrohemija under control of Russian energy giant Gazprom, but the Russian gas monopoly always opposed this option.

    Gas debt resulted in Russian gas supplies to Serbia being cut by about 30% by mid-November.


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    Re: Russia–Serbia Partnership

    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:28 pm

    Russia, Serbia to Carry Out Joint Air Force Drills

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150312/1019401477.html#ixzz3UC2qp5cu
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    Re: Russia–Serbia Partnership

    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:42 pm

    Russia and Serbia to hold a joint military exercise
    Russian Aviaton » Wednesday March 25, 2015 19:59 MSK

    The armed forces of Russia and Serbia will hold a joint military exercise in September 2015. According to Russian Ministry of Defense, the decision was made at a conference with the participation of members of Command of Russian air forces and Serbian air forces held on March 12th 2015 in Moscow, IA REGNUM reports.

    «Pilots of tactical aviation and army aviation of Russia and Serbia will take part in the exercise. The pilots will form a combined crews and perform different missions,» said in the statement.

    In the network of the military exercise pilots of MiG-29 fighters will intercept air targets, while crews of Mi-8 military-transport helicopters will carry out landing of troops, provide air support to the army, destroy ground targets at a firing range using missiles and will also carry out search-and-rescue operations.

    It was reported in late February by Serbian mass-media (with reference to the country’s Ministry of Defense) that despite displeasure about Russian-Serbian military exercise (held last autumn), expressed by EU and USA, Belgrade is going to hold several military exercises in cooperation with Russia over the next few months. We remind you that the first joint military exercise with the participation of armed forces of Russia and Serbia was held on November 14th 2014 at Nikintsi firing range located near Belgrade. Over 400 soldiers and officers took part in the exercise. After that Brussels expressed concern about these military exercises held in the middle of confrontation between Moscow and EU.
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    Re: Russia–Serbia Partnership

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:10 am

    Nice gesture from Russia....donated firefighting vehicles and equipment for the joint Serbo-Rus humanitarian centre

    Arrow http://ruskiekspres.rs/2015/04/2131/

    including one of these 'robots'

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    Re: Russia–Serbia Partnership

    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:09 pm

    Serbia Asks Russia to Veto British UNSC Resolution on Srebrenica

    Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic sent a letter to Russian leader Vladimir Putin, asking him to veto a resolution on Srebrenica massacre proposed by Britain at the UN Security Council, Večernje Novosti reported.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The United Kingdom presented the fourth draft of the resolution earlier this week, but Serbia considers the text inappropriate.

    In July 1995, according to UN estimates, over 8,000 Muslim men and boys were killed in the Bosnian city of Srebrenica after the city had been taken by units of the Army of Republika Srpska.

    The document names the Srebrenica massacre “a genocide” 27 times, while using the word “reconciliation” 7 times only.

    The resolution is expected to be considered in the UN Security Council on July 7, four days before the 20th anniversary of tragic events in Srebrenica.

    The Serbian president has sent letters to other heads of UN Security Council member states, as well as to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon. The letters highlight that the resolution puts blame only on one side of the conflict, thus escalating tensions.

    Earlier in the day, Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic in an exclusive interview with the RTS said that if Russia decided not to veto a resolution, this would not be a tragedy, meaning that the country could only "rely on itself.

    In June, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that the resolution on Srebrenica proposed at the UN Security Council could trigger new ethnic friction in the Balkans.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150705/1024231179.html#ixzz3f29HbJS7


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    Re: Russia–Serbia Partnership

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:41 pm

    I don't understand why Serbia wants to defend such atrocities anyway. It was perpetrated by the Bosnian Serbs and the criminals that led them.

    That doesn't mean that there weren't criminals and atrocities on the other sides either; but that has nothing to do with recognizing Srebrenica as a mass-warcrime.
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    Re: Russia–Serbia Partnership

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:03 pm

    flamming_python wrote:I don't understand why Serbia wants to defend such atrocities anyway. It was perpetrated by the Bosnian Serbs and the criminals that led them.

    That doesn't mean that there weren't criminals and atrocities on the other sides either; but that has nothing to do with recognizing Srebrenica as a mass-warcrime.

    Well, for starters, Serbia does not want to defend any atrocities.

    Timeline of events and events themselves are highly dubious and only criteria for random corpse being labeled Srebrenica "victim" is if NGO says so. Thats it.

    It was (if it did happen as Jihadists,  EU and USA claim) a vendetta caused by mass atrocities against civilian population in Serbian towns around Srebrenica.

    Perpetrators were under full protection of UN troops and they used UN safe zone in Srebrenica as staging area for several  campaigns of terror against civilians, most infamous (but not largest) of which was so called Christmas Slaughter of 1993.

    Jihadist commandeer in charge of the slaughters was Naser Oric. Just couple of weeks ago he was arrested in Switzerland. Serbia requested extradition so he could be tried for war crimes against Serb civilians.
    This would have been seen here as major step towards justice. He was instead released by Swiss.

    Purpose of this resolution is not to condemn war crimes but to facilitate removal of Serbian autonomy in Bosnia and lay groundwork for further destruction of Serbian country, people and nation as a whole.

    Serbian side is labeled as criminals while massive crimes committed by other participants are ignored, whitewashed and swept under a carpet.  



    I could go on for 10 pages like this but instead I will ask you one thing:

    Why did Russia object when they were accused by UN, USA and EU of invading Chechnya, intentionally murdering hostages in Nord Ost, oppressing it's own population, assassinating political dissidents abroad, robbing, imprisoning and murdering honest businessmen, Invading peaceful nation of Georgia, oppressing and exterminating homosexuals, suppressing democratic non-nazi movement in Ukraine, brutally invading and annexing Ukrainian territory of Crimea, starting civil war in Ukraine, invading Ukraine and carrying out numerous atrocities in Ukraine, etc, etc, etc...........???

    I mean, you guys are totally guilty, USA, EU and, above all, CNN said so?


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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:35 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:I don't understand why Serbia wants to defend such atrocities anyway. It was perpetrated by the Bosnian Serbs and the criminals that led them.

    That doesn't mean that there weren't criminals and atrocities on the other sides either; but that has nothing to do with recognizing Srebrenica as a mass-warcrime.

    Well, for starters, Serbia does not want to defend any atrocities.

    Timeline of events and events themselves are highly dubious and only criteria for random corpse being labeled Srebrenica "victim" is if NGO says so. Thats it.

    It was (if it did happen as Jihadists,  EU and USA claim) a vendetta caused by mass atrocities against civilian population in Serbian towns around Srebrenica.

    I don't know what happened in the Serbian towns around Srebrenica, for sure it can be viewed in context, but one crime cannot excuse another.

    Srebrenica was a refugee ghetto for Muslim Bosnians; which was surrounded by Bosnian Serb forces and cut-off from supplies. The civilian population there was under extreme threat of bombardment, starvation and everything else.

    After a period of UN protection, it was eventually taken over by the Bosnian Serbs and people ran in all directions; many were intercepted and shot dead.

    Perpetrators were under full protection of UN troops and they used UN safe zone in Srebrenica as staging area for several  campaigns of terror against civilians, most infamous (but not largest) of which was so called Christmas Slaughter of 1993.

    Jihadist commandeer in charge of the slaughters was Naser Oric. Just couple of weeks ago he was arrested in Switzerland. Serbia requested extradition so he could be tried for war crimes against Serb civilians.
    This would have been seen here as major step towards justice. He was instead released by Swiss.

    Then it should be treated as a seperate crime to seek justice for.

    Purpose of this resolution is not to condemn war crimes but to facilitate removal of Serbian autonomy in Bosnia and lay groundwork for further destruction of Serbian country, people and nation as a whole.

    I doubt anyone can accomplish that, at least w/o restarting the war.
    I don't doubt there are ulterior motives for this resolution but Serbia nontheless gains nothing from defending the perpetrators in this case.

    Serbian side is labeled as criminals while massive crimes committed by other participants are ignored, whitewashed and swept under a carpet.

    That's true, but still I think by any objective measure - the Bosniaks were the victims in this conflict; their country was divided like a roast Tukrey between Croatia and Serbia, masses of people were forced from their homes, bombarded or put into camps where they starved to death.

    I could go on for 10 pages like this but instead I will ask you one thing:

    Why did Russia object when they were accused by UN, USA and EU of invading Chechnya, intentionally murdering hostages in Nord Ost, oppressing it's own population, assassinating political dissidents abroad, robbing, imprisoning and murdering honest businessmen, Invading peaceful nation of Georgia, oppressing and exterminating homosexuals, suppressing democratic non-nazi movement in Ukraine, brutally invading and annexing Ukrainian territory of Crimea, starting civil war in Ukraine, invading Ukraine and carrying out numerous atrocities in Ukraine, etc, etc, etc...........???

    I mean, you guys are totally guilty, USA, EU and, above all, CNN said so?

    Because most of what you listed is BS; although Russia would no doubt object anyway. But that doesn't mean that Russia didn't do some bad things. If someone wants to create a UN Resolution about Russia levelling Grozny to the ground and causing untold civilian suffering in a completely bungled war; be my guest.

    However we are not talking about Serbia, but about the Bosnian Serbs. Why should Serbia defend their brutal behaviour? Even Milosevic in private considered them cowards.

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    Post  Prince Darling on Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:12 pm

    Serbian side is labeled as criminals while massive crimes committed by other participants are ignored, whitewashed and swept under a carpet.

    That's true, but still I think by any objective measure - the Bosniaks were the victims in this conflict; their country was divided like a roast Tukrey between Croatia and Serbia, masses of people were forced from their homes, bombarded or put into camps where they starved to death.

    [quote]I could go on for 10 pages like this but instead I will ask you one thing:

    Bosnia wasnt owned by Muslims, they tried to take over the entire country, not to mention illegal seccession which needed the go ahead of all three constitutional nations.
    People tend to asume ownership rights for Bosniaks (a term invented in the 1960s) because its a derivaton of the word Bosnia
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:47 pm

    Wow...just...Wow....  No

    I'll keep it short....

    flamming_python wrote:I don't know what happened in the Serbian towns around Srebrenica, for sure it can be viewed in context, but one crime cannot excuse another..........

    Hence you ignorance

    flamming_python wrote:Srebrenica was a refugee ghetto for Muslim Bosnians; which was surrounded by Bosnian Serb forces and cut-off from supplies. The civilian population there was under extreme threat of bombardment, starvation and everything else....

    It was UN protected staging zone for jihadist war criminals

    flamming_python wrote:After a period of UN protection, it was eventually taken over by the Bosnian Serbs and people ran in all directions; many were intercepted and shot dead.

    After years of slaughter ignored by UN and perpetrated by jihadist who operated from that  "refugee ghetto for Muslim Bosnians" (  lol1  ) vendetta was carried out against war criminals. "People" were fine, criminals were punished- you will notice that all corpses were adult males. There is a reason for that.

    flamming_python wrote:Then it should be treated as a seperate crime to seek justice for.

    It was and we did. We got the middle finger going on for two decades straight

    flamming_python wrote:I doubt anyone can accomplish that, at least w/o restarting the war.
    I don't doubt there are ulterior motives for this resolution but Serbia nontheless gains nothing from defending the perpetrators in this case.

    It's lot easier than you think and they never stopped trying, it's an ongoing process.

    We gain a lot by getting to the truth and punishing all war criminals regardless of their nationality, religion, geopolitical sponsor or lack of one.

    flamming_python wrote:That's true, but still I think by any objective measure - the Bosniaks were the victims in this conflict; their country was divided like a roast Tukrey between Croatia and Serbia, ..................................

    There was no such thing as "Bosnian country" until 1995 when it was proclaimed by USA. Nothing was divided, "Bosniaks" as you call them or more precisely Bosnian muslims were not victims, they were instigators of the genocidal religious and ethnic conflict that has roots in WW2.

    flamming_python wrote:............masses of people were forced from their homes, bombarded or put into camps......

    And exiled and ethnically cleansed, predominantly Serbs. And where is justice for them? Or do they need to be of the right religion and ethnicity in order to be allowed to seek  justice?

    flamming_python wrote:............ where they starved to death.

    Urban legend. There were no starving campers in 90's wars, not even muslims were guilty of this. You need to lay off the CNN, Which ties into next item on the agenda:

    flamming_python wrote:Because most of what you listed is BS.............

    Exactly, just like the version and interpretation of events you presented here is BS

    flamming_python wrote:However we are not talking about Serbia, but about the Bosnian Serbs. Why should Serbia defend their brutal behaviour?

    And back to square one. We are not defending that behavior. More than one side committed crimes in Srebrenica. We are making a stand against whitewashing crimes and protecting the perpetrators regardless of ethnicity and religion.

    This approach would actually benefit "Bosnian country" in the long run. Not that I personally care about that commie invented Frankensteinian abomination.

    flamming_python wrote:Even Milosevic in private considered them cowards.

    Milosevic would have f*cked his own mother for the right price. He could not consider anyone or anything because he was a traitor doing what he was payed to do.

    Republic of Srpska will never give up it's fight for independence, freedom and reunification with Serbia.  

    I do not insult your people by calling them cowards, please return the courtesy.


    I will give you same advice that I gave Monarchist because your behavior is identical ATM:
    Do not tell people on the other end of the planet what to do and how to live their lives since you are not from here and do not know anything about what happened here decades ago.

    Stick with making observations and polite suggestions like most of us do when dealing with foreign topics.

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