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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  Regular on Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:07 pm

    Did You mean UAZ 469?
    If You are talking about stock version then it's not good too. Weak unreliable engine, bad suspension, bad quality of bit newer models. That's why there UAZ 469 project models can be found even on year 20 old chasis, they last long. Same like with some cars, stock version is bad, but it's very good for modifications thats why their are still popular. Same Civic EK9 in Drag racing:) Stock is terrible, modification posibilities are endless.
    But even older Nissan Patrol or Land cruiser 75 have better engines and more reliable if You want to go with stock. But most of the people modify their cars anyway.
    I Didn't own any of them, only know that from friends offroaders.
    Gaz-66 on other hand is a beast. They use this truck parts to build smaller vehicles. Very cheap and simple.
    Still there is a saying- the better off roader the further You have to go to get towing tractor (Чем круче джип, тем дальше трактор)Smile

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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  BTRfan on Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:14 pm

    Regular wrote:Did You mean UAZ 469?
    If You are talking about stock version then it's not good too. Weak unreliable engine, bad suspension, bad quality of bit newer models. That's why there UAZ 469 project models can be found even on year 20 old chasis, they last long. Same like with some cars, stock version is bad, but it's very good for modifications thats why their are still popular. Same Civic EK9 in Drag racing:) Stock is terrible, modification posibilities are endless.
    But even older Nissan Patrol or Land cruiser 75 have better engines and more reliable if You want to go with stock. But most of the people modify their cars anyway.
    I Didn't own any of them, only know that from friends offroaders.
    Gaz-66 on other hand is a beast. They use this truck parts to build smaller vehicles. Very cheap and simple.
    Still there is a saying- the better off roader the further You have to go to get towing tractor (Чем круче джип, тем дальше трактор)Smile

    Filmed in Rukla, military village
    Uaz with Nissan patrol frame and transmission and engine, Gaz-66 axles
    Amazing performance



    Ah crap did I write GAZ... I was looking at pictures of GAZ in one window and UAZ in another and just got confused and wrote GAZ.

    Yes I meant UAZ, the UAZ 469.
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    Soviet Communism

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:09 am

    Is it poor now? I know people who left their countries and went for New Zealand. They said they had to work in a farm to get permission to stay there (Good decision in my opinion).

    Poor is a relative term... Compared with some countries New Zealand is very rich, but compared with most western countries we are not.

    Then what's left? There is no perfect system.

    That is the key... todays Americans hate big government because they think it is too corruptable... I would argue that big business is no better and often even worse when it is foreign controlled and even less likely to consider public opinion... they would rather spend a million on an add campaign to muddy the waters than spend half that and fix the problem.

    There is no perfect system, democracy leads to big business... bigger companies can ride out fluctuations in the market, small companies disappear over time... they either fail or get bought out by bigger companies.

    Just saw that oliver stone doco on the US and found it very interesting... it mentioned a US official in 1948 who mentioned that when 6 percent of the worlds population control 50% of the worlds wealth then there will be avarice... but that if that percent wants to retain its position of wealth it needs to forget such ideals as democracy and human rights to retain its position and to maintain that wealth disparity in its favour.

    The doco goes on to talk about US influence to get their companies into countries so they can take advantage of the resources and cheap labour with bribes of the top officials and military men in that country... the usual result is a popular uprising... or simply an election of officials that want to stop the drain of resources to the US or the west. Those democratically elected officials are called dictators and despots or commies or worse... Chavez? is just one and the US tactics are the same... the CIA is sent in to either murder them or overthrow them with economic sanctions against the country and funding of the opposition and a media blitz with CIA money and the nationalist is either murdered or thrown from power in a coup. Worked with Pinochet and throughout central and south america... didn't work with Chavez or Castro...

    On the face it it the human rights and the high morals... US democracy looks great and civilised, but the simply don't practise what they preach... just like the commies...

    but it was time when You were spoon-fed with propaganda, sometimes so blatantly stupid even people spreading it didn't believe it.

    The west was even worse at it... most of its zealots actually believe the west is interested in peace and democracy and human rights... the commies prided themselves on their propaganda, but it was one area the west well and truly had them beat.

    So Australia played You out and You are economically dependent on them. It's a sign of weak government. Same thing with Swedish banks buying Easter European banks too.

    There are still New Zealand owned banks, but the largest and richest banks in NZ are Australian owned.

    Nothing new really... New Zealand used to be governed from Australia for a while too.

    Still better than only having state controlled media. You can choose what to watch.

    No it isn't. At least your own government has some interest... foreign controlled media will just tell you that your laws need changing because opening up your large areas of ocean for oil drilling will bring money and wealth to the country... when in actual fact it will just make an effing mess and a few people will earn good wages for a few years and then they will move on. If... When there is a huge spill unless it effects US interests it will be brushed under the carpet... big spill near the US and it is a disaster... the 500th oil spill in Africa because of leaky pipes and nobody knows about it...

    I presume You get loads of Japanese import cars in You country.
    Japanese import always seemed to be interesting, but it wasn't for my pocket.

    The Japs protected their car industry by making it very expensive to own a car more than a few years old, so Japanese people are always buying new cars and they have an enormous number of practically new cars for sale.

    The very first imports were rubbish, but by the 1980s they got them sorted out and have some very good reliable cars that can be bought at very reasonable prices here...

    Paradoxically, socialist countries with oversized bureaucracy are more prone to corporate lovvying than more liebral ones.

    By lobbying you mean corruption and it is an industry in Washington that is openly practised.

    And communism itself can be described as one big corporation, controlling every aspect of economy, with no competition.

    That is clearly not true... this is a military site so lets keep it in terms of military... there were plenty of design bureaus making aircraft and for every requirement lots of aircraft were tendered... in fact I would say that there were about four designs competing for the PAK FA program... Sukhoi, Mig, Myasichev, and Yakovlev all put forward designs... compare that with two for the F-35... LM and Boeing.


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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  dino00 on Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:42 pm

    I think you dont know what is a democracy.
    Communism was not an excuse for nothing, was, is, and always will be THEY biggest enemy, because if every person could see the real communism, they power will disappear in days.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:41 am

    dino00 wrote:I think you dont know what is a democracy.
    Communism was not an excuse for nothing, was, is, and always will be THEY biggest enemy, because if every person could see the real communism, they power will disappear in days.
     

    It's truly unbelievable that people still refer to China as a "communist" country, if it was truly a communist country than why would Wallstreet and the City of London heavily lobby D.C. to ship all the manufacturing jobs to China back in the late 90's early 00's? If anything China is a mixed economy on the Charles De Gaulle model.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:48 am

    FYI, there was not a single country through the entire human history that was actual communistic, not a single one.

    Soviet Union was never communistic in first place, North Korea isn't it today and china isn't it or was it either.

    Just because people keep telling such nonsense doesn't mean its true. It is same bullshit like repeating USA is a democracy or germany or majority of western countries.
    Pseudo communism and pseudo democracy doesn't mean anything.

    Presidents in USA don't get elected, they get selcted. No money to run campaignes no presidency, if the unwanted would win just use manipulated counting machines, like the US does and those machines are even forbidden in the so called "undemocratic" countries like venezuela. Or cheat and get exposed at your precidency and the "judge" will decide it wouldn't matter anyway, like in Bushes "election".

    No democracy, no communism just a big fat show for everyone who is stupid enough to believe it.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:30 am

    Communism was not an excuse for nothing, was, is, and always will be THEY biggest enemy, because if every person could see the real communism, they power will disappear in days.

    Actually to me communism makes rather more sense than democracy.

    The business of running a country is tremendously complicated... by what measure can anyone suggest that the average voter has any idea about the best way to do anything right? Yet their vote has the same value as the most clued up economist...

    Voting these days is as much about marketing as it is about substance... how often are elections about one or two mundane and often vague promises... I will fix the economy... I will balance the books... they didn't do it the last 5 times they were in power but now you suddenly forget all the stupid sht they have done because there is so much recent BS the current regime has been caught doing.

    Communism and democracy is how often you clean out the horse stall.

    Some look at China and think it is a semi democracy when in actual fact it is totally communist but with a semblance of a free market economy. Very soon however the result will be the same problem as in the US... a theme that has created every Zombie Movie ever written... Zombie movies are about the gap between rich and poor except when they are coming for their money they are coming for fresh brain.


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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  dino00 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:07 pm

    Actually to me communism makes rather more sense than democracy.

    Garry B. my reply was not supposed to be rude...
    I realy appreciate your posts, and think you a have a great knowledge about almost everything hehe.

    Communism is democracy, its not different or make more sense is
    a democracy.
    The contrary of democracy is ditatership not communism.
    The only real democracy( power to the people) can be achieved by communism.

    China is a social-fascist dictatorship ruled by a "communist" party.

    URSS was a socialist country until de death of Joseph Stalin than slowly but progressebly become a capitalist country with gorbachov.

    Cuba is a socialist country.

    Never existed a communist country, and probably never will because de elites will never let that hapen, it will destroy they power.

    Democracy is not elections 4 or 5 years apart.

    There is no real democracy in the intire world except Cuba and Belaurus.
    Sorry my bad English.


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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  dino00 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:10 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    dino00 wrote:I think you dont know what is a democracy.
    Communism was not an excuse for nothing, was, is, and always will be THEY biggest enemy, because if every person could see the real communism, they power will disappear in days.
     

    It's truly unbelievable that people still refer to China as a "communist" country, if it was truly a communist country than why would Wallstreet and the City of London heavily lobby D.C. to ship all the manufacturing jobs to China back in the late 90's early 00's? If anything China is a mixed economy on the Charles De Gaulle model.

    Where thid i say China was a Communist country?
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:51 pm

    Imo, sure sell them engines- tho it should be a couple hundreds- more like 600 engines, enough to fund the next-gen engines for russia.
    Regarding offtopic, I think the best system of government would be a totalitarian one- tho the one at the top is not human, more like a supreme intelligence- like a super AI. Said AI is guided by the feelings and sentiments of the majority so there would be no BS about culture and whatnot.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:36 pm

    Communism, Democracy,Oligarchy,Plutocracy,Capitalism,theocracy all this forms and more all Dictatorships.

    Communism is the Dictatorship of no rich no poor, a shared pool of resources managed for the bright public.

    Democracy is the dictatorship of majority over the minority (Which in reallity is the opposite, Banks and Big companies select their politicians) so it's an oligarchic plutocracy.

    Oligarchy a dictatorsip by minority usually rich.

    Plutocracy dictatorship by rich people.

    Capitalism is actually not a political systeme but an economical systeme but which has direct result and direct dictatorship of domestic and foreign policy, the dictatorship of the market.

    theocracy the dictatorship of a religion.

    Most of the time none of this alone rules a country but are connected with each other.

    USA is ruled by private rich banks, oil companies, energy overall and military industrie (oligarchy/plutocracy) but are also ruled by others countries policies (Xenocracy), Israel has such a huge influence on foreign and domestic policies of USA and some EU countries like Germany that it is to evident itself to deny.

    Germany a totalitarian Xenocracy, ruled by Pentagon and Tel aviv with a capitalistic economy that is based on "growth" and oligarchs from Brussels (EU).

    Canada has capitalistic and in private sector socialistic veins, but has overall a balance between oligarchy of companies and some minor democracy veins.

    Russia has capitalistic with minor socialistic veins, which are reinstalled after gorbachov and yeltzin destroyed everything good in the country, and more democracy than any western country so far not much but still more with a decreasing core of oligarchs.

    There is no pure systemes only a mishmash of several things.

    No true communism was ever existent in any country most of the time ruled by xenocracy like bolshewiks.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:52 am

    I think we should set aside the politics from this thread... except those directly related to the topic. Smile

    And no offense taken dino00.

    I have not given a negative vote to anyone on this forum, and I certainly wont start now.

    I like to hear the opinions of others even when they are different from mine... not because I like to argue, but because I like to hear about other perspectives.


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    Post  Scarr25 on Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:29 pm

    I have read that China has been amassing all the gold it can acquire for some time. The intent is to displace the American dollar with the Yuan as the
    world currency. If this happens how would that affect the valuation of arms sales to China among others?
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    Actually to me communism makes rather more sense than democracy.

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:34 am

    Unlikely to happen but currency value fluctuations are usually catered to in contracts... the time between payment and delivery can result in significant changes in currencies and it is usually in the contract as to how or if that is dealt with.

    Strong currencies tend to benefit importers rather than producers...


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    Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  brisas2k on Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:58 am

    The loss of the socialist dream was a serious blow to the aspirations of all the oppressed people in the world.  They may not have a voice to say it, but you can notice the desperation in the capitalist world.  People are hopless.

    The chapter of troubles between Joseph B Tito and Stalin was just one of the long series of infights and disputes within the socialist camp.

    Socialist political leaders of today should strive really hard to provide honest answers as to why the marxist-leninist movement of yesterday opted for being enemies, rather than accepting their own realities and working with what they could work.

    Well, it is a dream i had once, that socialist could come together and work out solutions to the capitalist wold problems.  I am convinced humanity, sooner or later, will have to revisit Marx and Lenin again.

    the question is when, and what will those future marxists will say about socialist leaders.

    It is a rather delicate question. Everyone in the socialist camp is trying to justify their past.  True revolutionaries do not reconcile with the past, they use its understanding to create new possibilities for the future.

    I don't see socialist anywhere workin on a new political agenda.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:07 am

    Marxist economic theory is for the recycling bin and society becomes hell in the desperate attempt to make economy work. There is no way for this shit to EVER work. Change dream. Period.

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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  victor1985 on Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:10 pm

    i'm romanian too. the problem is that we now know how is capitalism....and is all about money. no common sense, no educated people just animals that eat each other. the question is that despite we are animals is in our destiny to evolve. and what better evolution could be other than the animals that we are be more educated , more respectfull with each other , and more underssstanding about differences of mentality, intelligence , power of work, oportunities in life, and others. this is what socialism claims that are differences. and differences does not mean something bad , something that you should laugh about, they are just differences. moments of lazyness are moments of sadness , moments of lost of the faith , moments of desperation, moments when you stop believing in you and the world. lazyness is not about having fights whit work is about like i said , sadness. somethimes you are in the wrong place surrounded by the wrong people , with the wrong mentality for you. and is about some people doesn't accept differences. once upon a time someone asked me whit i don't eat the cake he bringed. i said : i don't like. and he got angry. equality mean understanding those differences. because without understanding those differences we are all like others or better said like the bosses want to be. i don't care about the life of donald trumph and i don't like his life. but the capitalist wanna all be like them with a boss upon us that is the most animalic from the money makers. and worship that boss like he is a ....realized person and we are not.....
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    The divisions within the socialist camp were a terrible loss for humanity

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:07 am

    victor1985 wrote:capitalism....and is all about money. no common sense, no educated people just animals that eat each other.

    My vote to you...


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    Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  andalusia on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:59 am

    Do people on this forum know how right wing many Americans are especially in the South?  Here in America, if any person has a concern for other people or points out income inequality you are either called a socialist or a communist by conservative libertarian people. It is used as a slur.   I want to know what is a socialist and what is a communist? I would like a good precise definition.  Moreover, does it irritate people that these terms are used to slur people?

    Some of you all lived in foreign countries that were socialist; how do you react to Americans calling people socialist or communist who want a more economically just society?  It is possible to be opposed to Communism and support a pragmatic free market economy that benefits all people.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:26 pm

    andalusia wrote:Do people on this forum know how right wing many Americans are especially in the South?  Here in America, if any person has a concern for other people or points out income inequality you are either called a socialist or a communist by conservative libertarian people. It is used as a slur.   I want to know what is a socialist and what is a communist? I would like a good precise definition.  Moreover, does it irritate people that these terms are used to slur people?

    Some of you all lived in foreign countries that were socialist; how do you react to Americans calling people socialist or communist who want a more economically just society?  It is possible to be opposed to Communism and support a pragmatic free market economy that benefits all people.

    I will make it clear how it actually is, this is not biased by any means, but exact the evidence that an american asks this question what Socialism and Communism means and why americans slur other people with it. US Americans are indoctrinated since their birth at least from the past 3 generations since the McCarthy era that russians are the evil that Communism/Socialism is worse than Nazis (National Socialists) of WW2.

    Communism is the basic to set the human equal with all priveleges to anyone and to base a state around humans and mainly around working class and not like in kleptocracies to set working class around kapital with the enclave of some oligarchs inside the capital bathing in money based on the work of the workin class.

    Communism however was never really implemented in a state, but some higher degree of Socialistic methods and dogmas have been used in Soviet Union and some other countries.

    Socialism is not far fetched from Communism, the same or similiar methods are currently applied in Canada, that the state covers education for everyone regardless of their family wealth or how poor it is, as long they are qualified for universities or that noone has to pay thousands to hundredthousands for breaking an arm and staying for 3 days in hospital like that is the case in US as long they have no higher paid insurgencies, free healthcare and since during Soviet Union the human was set as the middle point and the state tried to revolve around the citizen and not the other way around, health care was free for all and it was untill fall of USSR the highest in capabilities and quality than any other country has brought up.

    Most americans have no freaking idea what that means and were indoctrinated since 1945 that Soviets and Communism is worse than Hitlers Nazi party, they also use some dictators with inflated death tolls to proof their points without knowing shit about history or what communism is.

    There is a wonderful book by Ernest Mandel an Analysis of Communism through human history and he writes among the simpliest way to to explain communism on history of humans evolving from hunter and gatherer to a society with more jobs than this and lied down ground for evolving society,jobs and their state beyond of 200 man tribes.

    All humans were at some point a society formed of small tribes between 20-to 200 people and usually after reaching 200 or above they would split up to keep the tribes functioning and not depleting resources at their location and to keep their tribes at bay without to many rivaling for leadership or to have say in it. Till this date we have tribes made of hunter and gatherer, based on their environment poor of many resources like in Papua New Guinea.

    Such tribes of hunters and gatherer could only achieve growth and potential of their society and therefor develop new professions when they were not bound to hunt and gather all day and everyday to have free hands for other things. This can only be accomplished by "surplus product". So they developed their society over time from every family father and mother gather and hunt for their own to a society of communism where they hunt and gather enough to cover and feed their tribe for 2-5 days, giving them time in between to develope their society and that was the period where they would develope technologies and professions like do pottery, develope technics to make food preserved, also over bigger period of time to domesticate animals and argiculture which was the basis for modern civilisations. So this is the first use of communism among human documented in history. It is the concentration of resources (food,raw material and work/manpower) to keep together functioning and growing potential.

    Of course it is very simple due the times back then, but that is the principle of communism/socialism, which is not understood and mainly used to slur people without knowing what it is, due the indoctrinated definition of "dictatorship to kill all" and purely due the ignorance of people.

    Ernest Mendel also explains 7 forms of Communism that were at some point actually existing not for countries but for smaller regions,tribes or just small villages or enclaves of bigger countries. Among those there is also a form of communism bound to true and direct democracy where every village had a representative who must live among his village/city members so he is bound to them and the resources the city/village will recieve and also that he keeps his feet on the ground and does not try to double cross his fellows and tries to hort resources for himself.

    I hope it helpled you.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:16 am

    My observations from down here in New Zealand it seems to me that the main difference between Europe and the US is that the Europeans are more socialist, while the US seems to be anti big government and pro big business.

    Basically socialism in practical terms is where the state runs the health system and the education system and the prison system and a few other key industries like telecommunications and electricity supply. Sometimes even the rail network and other industries that are privatised in non socialist countries.

    Communism is where you don't get a vote and the government controls everything... almost a hive mentality where everything is centrally controlled and centrally planned.

    Of course there is scope for corruption in any system.

    Here in New Zealand we have something called ACC... accident compensation corporation, where if you have an accident which effects your ability to work you apply and if successful they will pay health costs and replace income till you are back at work. You don't have to sue anyone.


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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:31 am

    Communism is where you don't get a vote and the government controls everything... almost a hive mentality where everything is centrally controlled and centrally planned.

    That is not true, there are different forms of Communism and yes i mean true communism not such constructs like in USSR. Democracy does and can exist in communism and is also one of the mechanisms to keep corruption low.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:19 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Communism is where you don't get a vote and the government controls everything... almost a hive mentality where everything is centrally controlled and centrally planned.

    That is not true, there are different forms of Communism and yes i mean true communism not such constructs like in USSR. Democracy does and can exist in communism and is also one of the mechanisms to keep corruption low.

    andalusia wrote:I want to know what is a socialist and what is a communist? I would like a good precise definition. Moreover, does it irritate people that these terms are used to slur people?

    According to Marx, communism and socialism are two level of the same process. That means first you have to build a socialist country and then after finishing that level you go up to communist one.

    Let's me state it clear that NO COUNTRY has ever reach the level of communism yet. No country has ever finished the building of socialist level yet.

    Even the USSR is NOT a Commie country. Its name is clear: Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republic.

    And in Vietnamese, at least, we do not use "Communist bloc" like the West. We use the term "Socialist bloc" to call ourselves.

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    So what is the different between Socialist and Communist ?

    Accoring to our political education it should be:

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    A socialist country needs to have GOOD DEMOCRACY, which is expected to provide wide access to most of the people in the country, and provide equal amount of political rights for the people.

    In a socialist country, the MEANS OF PRODUCTION is public-owned. But the MEANS OF SUBSISTENCE is not public-owned. That means, funds, investment, tools, machinery, farmlands... are public-owned. However, your money, your house, your food, your PC, your laptop, your watch, your clothes... these are your private properties, and nobody has the right to take them from you.

    In a socialist country, YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. You are pay for exactly what you have countributed. You work hard that you have a luxurious life. If you do not work, you will not have anything.

    On my opinion that is a good condition for FAIR COMPETITION. Because in that environment everybody has the same starting point and same background.

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    In a communist country, there is NO social class, NO class conflict. Everybody is equal so there is no goverment anymore.

    In a communist country, production power is expected to be developed into an ultimate level, therefore socials goods are extremely abundant. And everybody is expected to be workaholic, everybody is expected to love working. Therefore, the law is loose: you can just work as much as you like and eat as much as you desire.

    Social properties are COMPLETELY public-owned.

    Optimal development of each INDIVIDUAL is the basis for the goodness of the whole society.

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