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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  Regular on Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:07 pm

    Did You mean UAZ 469?
    If You are talking about stock version then it's not good too. Weak unreliable engine, bad suspension, bad quality of bit newer models. That's why there UAZ 469 project models can be found even on year 20 old chasis, they last long. Same like with some cars, stock version is bad, but it's very good for modifications thats why their are still popular. Same Civic EK9 in Drag racing:) Stock is terrible, modification posibilities are endless.
    But even older Nissan Patrol or Land cruiser 75 have better engines and more reliable if You want to go with stock. But most of the people modify their cars anyway.
    I Didn't own any of them, only know that from friends offroaders.
    Gaz-66 on other hand is a beast. They use this truck parts to build smaller vehicles. Very cheap and simple.
    Still there is a saying- the better off roader the further You have to go to get towing tractor (Чем круче джип, тем дальше трактор)Smile

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    Post  BTRfan on Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:14 pm

    Regular wrote:Did You mean UAZ 469?
    If You are talking about stock version then it's not good too. Weak unreliable engine, bad suspension, bad quality of bit newer models. That's why there UAZ 469 project models can be found even on year 20 old chasis, they last long. Same like with some cars, stock version is bad, but it's very good for modifications thats why their are still popular. Same Civic EK9 in Drag racing:) Stock is terrible, modification posibilities are endless.
    But even older Nissan Patrol or Land cruiser 75 have better engines and more reliable if You want to go with stock. But most of the people modify their cars anyway.
    I Didn't own any of them, only know that from friends offroaders.
    Gaz-66 on other hand is a beast. They use this truck parts to build smaller vehicles. Very cheap and simple.
    Still there is a saying- the better off roader the further You have to go to get towing tractor (Чем круче джип, тем дальше трактор)Smile

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    Uaz with Nissan patrol frame and transmission and engine, Gaz-66 axles
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    Ah crap did I write GAZ... I was looking at pictures of GAZ in one window and UAZ in another and just got confused and wrote GAZ.

    Yes I meant UAZ, the UAZ 469.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:09 am

    Is it poor now? I know people who left their countries and went for New Zealand. They said they had to work in a farm to get permission to stay there (Good decision in my opinion).

    Poor is a relative term... Compared with some countries New Zealand is very rich, but compared with most western countries we are not.

    Then what's left? There is no perfect system.

    That is the key... todays Americans hate big government because they think it is too corruptable... I would argue that big business is no better and often even worse when it is foreign controlled and even less likely to consider public opinion... they would rather spend a million on an add campaign to muddy the waters than spend half that and fix the problem.

    There is no perfect system, democracy leads to big business... bigger companies can ride out fluctuations in the market, small companies disappear over time... they either fail or get bought out by bigger companies.

    Just saw that oliver stone doco on the US and found it very interesting... it mentioned a US official in 1948 who mentioned that when 6 percent of the worlds population control 50% of the worlds wealth then there will be avarice... but that if that percent wants to retain its position of wealth it needs to forget such ideals as democracy and human rights to retain its position and to maintain that wealth disparity in its favour.

    The doco goes on to talk about US influence to get their companies into countries so they can take advantage of the resources and cheap labour with bribes of the top officials and military men in that country... the usual result is a popular uprising... or simply an election of officials that want to stop the drain of resources to the US or the west. Those democratically elected officials are called dictators and despots or commies or worse... Chavez? is just one and the US tactics are the same... the CIA is sent in to either murder them or overthrow them with economic sanctions against the country and funding of the opposition and a media blitz with CIA money and the nationalist is either murdered or thrown from power in a coup. Worked with Pinochet and throughout central and south america... didn't work with Chavez or Castro...

    On the face it it the human rights and the high morals... US democracy looks great and civilised, but the simply don't practise what they preach... just like the commies...

    but it was time when You were spoon-fed with propaganda, sometimes so blatantly stupid even people spreading it didn't believe it.

    The west was even worse at it... most of its zealots actually believe the west is interested in peace and democracy and human rights... the commies prided themselves on their propaganda, but it was one area the west well and truly had them beat.

    So Australia played You out and You are economically dependent on them. It's a sign of weak government. Same thing with Swedish banks buying Easter European banks too.

    There are still New Zealand owned banks, but the largest and richest banks in NZ are Australian owned.

    Nothing new really... New Zealand used to be governed from Australia for a while too.

    Still better than only having state controlled media. You can choose what to watch.

    No it isn't. At least your own government has some interest... foreign controlled media will just tell you that your laws need changing because opening up your large areas of ocean for oil drilling will bring money and wealth to the country... when in actual fact it will just make an effing mess and a few people will earn good wages for a few years and then they will move on. If... When there is a huge spill unless it effects US interests it will be brushed under the carpet... big spill near the US and it is a disaster... the 500th oil spill in Africa because of leaky pipes and nobody knows about it...

    I presume You get loads of Japanese import cars in You country.
    Japanese import always seemed to be interesting, but it wasn't for my pocket.

    The Japs protected their car industry by making it very expensive to own a car more than a few years old, so Japanese people are always buying new cars and they have an enormous number of practically new cars for sale.

    The very first imports were rubbish, but by the 1980s they got them sorted out and have some very good reliable cars that can be bought at very reasonable prices here...

    Paradoxically, socialist countries with oversized bureaucracy are more prone to corporate lovvying than more liebral ones.

    By lobbying you mean corruption and it is an industry in Washington that is openly practised.

    And communism itself can be described as one big corporation, controlling every aspect of economy, with no competition.

    That is clearly not true... this is a military site so lets keep it in terms of military... there were plenty of design bureaus making aircraft and for every requirement lots of aircraft were tendered... in fact I would say that there were about four designs competing for the PAK FA program... Sukhoi, Mig, Myasichev, and Yakovlev all put forward designs... compare that with two for the F-35... LM and Boeing.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  macedonian on Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:59 pm

    OK guys, a bit controversial in today's PC'ness, but here goes:
    After meeting some (actually - quite a lot of) Russians while on a skiing holiday in Bulgaria, I now feel (quite strongly in fact) that how I felt before was right - and that perhaps "Democracy" isn't the "proper way" for Russia. And I also now feel that Putin is THE proper President for Russia (at this moment). Now, my opinion is not an academic one (not in the slightest), it's not supported by various researches and thesis, but you might say that it's been empirically proven, given the Russian ruling class and its citizenry in the past.
    Hope I didn't offend anyone as I also think that "Democracy" (well, at least the type of democracy as we know it today) isn't the proper system for Macedonia either.
    Not at all, perhaps some sort of "Meritocracy" (where people proven in their field rule the things in that particular field) would serve us much better?!

    Just an opinion/observation though - hit me with your thoughts.

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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:25 am

    And ask any middle aged Bulgarian about Russia and he'll start the geobbels rhetoric about how Russians are "naturally incompetent, lacking superior European values and technology and will never improve unless they embrace European democracy". Seriously, I've had frequent discussions with a large amount of people here who define theselves as the intellegenstia  and almost all(especially the western immigrants) have such views. They instantly get a hardon upon hearing the words "EU" and "democracy".
    They also like to talk how the reason Bulgaria has so many Russian residents and tourists is because they hate putin and Russian living conditions. Looks like you proved them wrong.


    I doubt the Macedonian Bulgarians have such opinions since they've gotten a lot less support and funding from western organisations( not like the EU Bulgarians got that but it was successfully disguised as "democratic reforms") and are more Serbian aligned.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:37 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:And ask any middle aged Bulgarian about Russia and he'll start the geobbels rhetoric about how Russians are "naturally incompetent, lacking superior European values and technology and will never improve unless they embrace European democracy". Seriously, I've had frequent discussions with a large amount of people here who define theselves as the intellegenstia  and almost all(especially the western immigrants) have such views. They instantly get a hardon upon hearing the words "EU" and "democracy".
    They also like to talk how the reason Bulgaria has so many Russian residents and tourists is because they hate putin and Russian living conditions. Looks like you proved them wrong.


    And all this is true but should be attributed at 90% to communism and not Russian people.
    I mean communism is beyond a shred of a doubt the most ridiculous political system man ever invented.
    You can't really describe it. You can only experience it.
    I didn't experience it either but knowing the people came from Russia in the 90s and until VERY VERY recently,
    I mean my god! Only fellow communists and sub-Saharan immigrants are comparable.
    The level of decadence is staggering. Western Europe is in it's worst decline since 1054 and still the remaining Russian immigrants are further down,
    just living their European dream, my ass!

    As of Russian people, communism aside, what can I say?
    I have nothing positive to say about modern Greeks, yet, if we had Russia we would dominate the universe with a hand behind the back!
    and this Slavs still straggling five centuries now to surpass Britain, a f@@ing tiny, poor, island!!!
    They really lack some qualities, I know that many other people, like Balkans for example, have by nature. Some street smarts attitude or a common sense or something.
    They also have some good qualities, no doubt, but I focus on the negative side here.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  collegeboy16 on Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:06 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    And all this is true but should be attributed at 90% to communism and not Russian people.
    I mean communism is beyond a shred of a doubt the most ridiculous political system man ever invented.
    You can't really describe it. You can only experience it.
    I didn't experience it either but knowing the people came from Russia in the 90s and until VERY VERY recently,
    I mean my god! Only fellow communists and sub-Saharan immigrants are comparable.
    The level of decadence is staggering. Western Europe is in it's worst decline since 1054 and still the remaining Russian immigrants are further down,
    just living their European dream, my ass!

    As of Russian people, communism aside, what can I say?
    I have nothing positive to say about modern Greeks, yet, if we had Russia we would dominate the universe with a hand behind the back!
    and this Slavs still straggling five centuries now to surpass Britain, a f@@ing tiny, poor, island!!!
    They really lack some qualities, I know that many other people, like Balkans for example, have by nature. Some street smarts attitude or a common sense or something.
    They also have some good qualities, no doubt, but I focus on the negative side here.
    IMO communism aint that bad... it only turned to sh!t once the SU became embroiled with the west for world domination.
    Actually communism is behind the world's most rapid social developments, SU, PRC...
    Also, britain is already surpassed long ago... Besides in a few decades it would be a -stan country.  Twisted Evil 
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:06 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:And ask any middle aged Bulgarian about Russia and he'll start the geobbels rhetoric about how Russians are "naturally incompetent, lacking superior European values and technology and will never improve unless they embrace European democracy". Seriously, I've had frequent discussions with a large amount of people here who define theselves as the intellegenstia  and almost all(especially the western immigrants) have such views. They instantly get a hardon upon hearing the words "EU" and "democracy".
    They also like to talk how the reason Bulgaria has so many Russian residents and tourists is because they hate putin and Russian living conditions. Looks like you proved them wrong.


    I doubt the Macedonian Bulgarians have such opinions since they've gotten a lot less support and funding from western organisations( not like the EU Bulgarians got that but it was successfully disguised as "democratic reforms") and are more Serbian aligned.

    Russophobia at it's worst! If the Bulgarians you know believe that Russians are genetically pre-disposed to be incompetent, then ask a simple question..."Which country has a superior space program than Russia?"




    ...Keep in mind Russia has a superior Space program than any other country despite the disaster that was the 90's and the Yeltsin years. The next best space program (NASA) buys rocket engines exclusively from Russia to send rockets in to space, and they're only manned program they have left goes through the Soyuz rocket. Russia had nearly twice as many launches as the U.S., and over 6 times as many launches as the EU with it's empty rhetoric and theoretical cultural superiority. Let's keep this in context, Russia had more launches than China, India, the European Union, Japan, South Korea, and Ukraine combined!

    Also tell the Russophobic Bulgarians that you know that the president of the European Union is not democratically elected, he's oligarchically hand-picked.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  macedonian on Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:28 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:And ask any middle aged Bulgarian about Russia and he'll start the geobbels rhetoric about how Russians are "naturally incompetent, lacking superior European values and technology and will never improve unless they embrace European democracy". Seriously, I've had frequent discussions with a large amount of people here who define theselves as the intellegenstia  and almost all(especially the western immigrants) have such views. They instantly get a hardon upon hearing the words "EU" and "democracy".
    They also like to talk how the reason Bulgaria has so many Russian residents and tourists is because they hate putin and Russian living conditions. Looks like you proved them wrong.
    Just goes to show how 'open-minded' these people are. Intelligentsia, my ass...


    KomissarBojanchev wrote:I doubt the Macedonian Bulgarians have such opinions since they've gotten a lot less support and funding from western organisations( not like the EU Bulgarians got that but it was successfully disguised as "democratic reforms") and are more Serbian aligned.

    Better stop this s-it right now!!!
    Don't poison the thread with our Balkan crap.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  medo on Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:38 pm

    Years ago I read, that Putin doesn't want a democracy in Russia, but he want that Russia become a republic. There is a big difference between democracy and republic and don't forget US founding fathers create America as republic and warn, that USA should never become a democracy. Democracy is a role of majority over minority, what is practically the role of capital over its citizens and as Socrates said, democracy lead to caos and destruction. On the other hand republic is a role of laws, which protect minority against evil will of majority. They suggest, that Putin should role in Russia for more than 20 years, that Russian citizens matured in their republican values and become responsible citizens to protect their country.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  macedonian on Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:06 pm

    medo wrote:Years ago I read, that Putin doesn't want a democracy in Russia, but he want that Russia become a republic. There is a big difference between democracy and republic and don't forget US founding fathers create America as republic and warn, that USA should never become a democracy. Democracy is a role of majority over minority, what is practically the role of capital over its citizens and as Socrates said, democracy lead to caos and destruction. On the other hand republic is a role of laws, which protect minority against evil will of majority. They suggest, that Putin should role in Russia for more than 20 years, that Russian citizens matured in their republican values and become responsible citizens to protect their country.

    That's exactly how I feel (not only about Russia, but other countries as well).
    In my view - democracy only serves to raise the mediocrity level among the population make them excel less, and keep the intelligentsia down (as the percentage of the intelligentsia is far less than the 'common' folk). In a hypothetical scenario, if say a referendum was cast pro or con the construction of a:

    1. Nuclear power station - everyone gets a vote, and the voices of scientists (on one hand) and/or environmentalists (on the other) get lost in the pool of votes.
    2. Monument, the votes of sculptors, historians and sociologists are lost among the majority too. The only way they could affect public opinion is via the media, which (at least where I've lived) is seriously biased...

    So, again, some sort of meritocracy would work far better. Establish the rules which everyone needs to follow (Criminal Laws etc.) but have some sort of mechanism that would not allow the 'less professional, but more politically prone people' rise through the ranks...just as I'm typing and reading through my post, I realize that what I'm describing is in fact a Monarchy...NVM - back to the drawing board... Laughing 

    Unless Russians feel that after the Romanov, a new dynasty of Vladimirovich would serve them better...LOL pirat 

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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:15 pm

    I mean communism is beyond a shred of a doubt the most ridiculous political system man ever invented. wrote:

    When someone who has no idea about anthropology talks about economical systems.

    For the record for you and others. Without communism we wouldn't exist in a larger society than 100+/-20 people per group and would still have a society of gatherers and hunters.

    Only Communism within groups has given the groups to develope new professions for blacksmithing,trading,fishing and so on.

    Communism in such groups was the reason people collected all the necessary resources and could produce "More-product" after a while which gave them time and free hands to develope jobs.
    No Communism = No society like today.



    Years ago I read, that Putin doesn't want a democracy in Russia, but he want that Russia become a republic. There is a big difference between democracy and republic and don't forget US founding fathers create America as republic and warn, that USA should never become a democracy. Democracy is a role of majority over minority, what is practically the role of capital over its citizens and as Socrates said, democracy lead to caos and destruction. On the other hand republic is a role of laws, which protect minority against evil will of majority. They suggest, that Putin should role in Russia for more than 20 years, that Russian citizens matured in their republican values and become responsible citizens to protect their country. wrote:

    Democracy doesn't exist today, its only the word that western countries love to print on their banner while beneath they are all controlled centralistic from one point.

    Democracy won't work anyway, in todays time people have developed so many personal interests that it is easy to manipulate its own citizens.

    There are groups of older people so i create a party that advertises shit the party self doesn't believe and doesn't want to fullfill just to get votes.
    Then there is another group of youngs so in germany now we have the "Pirates" that have basically no political programm for anything relevant but are nothing else but a trojan horse to spread all the undecided voters into different camps.
    Just in year 2013 we had 7 new parties all with cathy phrases and "political programms" all appeared from nowhere, even to blind people it was dubious.

    Democracy will never work with large groups, its just a system to keep idiots being idiots in the believe they have power and are only to blame themselfs when something isn't working.
    If the west is so democratic why don't they implement everywhere democracy?
    Why not start democracy within a family? So kids would overrule any decision made by their parents.

    DemoCRAZY not democracy just a new label for dictatorship.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:20 pm

    I am referring to the two posts above Werewolf,

    No, what you describe is closer to aristocracy. A system, very unstable in general cause it tends to become either democracy or monarchy but extremely effective when it happens that the balance stuck in the middle. It is pretty much what Chinese manage to sustain after the death of Mao with impressive success in general. I guess this is what Putin envisioned for Russia as well (and I add here that he already cloned their fascist economic model), but it is impossible to be attempted with such a low level of social coherence, low constitutional awareness and all this you very well described above.
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    OK guys, a bit controversial in today's PC'ness, but here goes:

    Post  macedonian on Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:34 pm

    Werewolf wrote:DemoCRAZY not democracy just a new label for dictatorship.

    I believe the proper term is DEMON-CRACY... Laughing

    Hannibal Barca wrote:I am referring to the two posts above Werewolf,

    There is always the 'Quote' button... Smile
    I agree with SOME of the things you wrote, will have to elaborate more on the matter later, as I need to go out now...
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  dino00 on Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:42 pm

    I think you dont know what is a democracy.
    Communism was not an excuse for nothing, was, is, and always will be THEY biggest enemy, because if every person could see the real communism, they power will disappear in days.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:41 am

    dino00 wrote:I think you dont know what is a democracy.
    Communism was not an excuse for nothing, was, is, and always will be THEY biggest enemy, because if every person could see the real communism, they power will disappear in days.
     

    It's truly unbelievable that people still refer to China as a "communist" country, if it was truly a communist country than why would Wallstreet and the City of London heavily lobby D.C. to ship all the manufacturing jobs to China back in the late 90's early 00's? If anything China is a mixed economy on the Charles De Gaulle model.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:48 am

    FYI, there was not a single country through the entire human history that was actual communistic, not a single one.

    Soviet Union was never communistic in first place, North Korea isn't it today and china isn't it or was it either.

    Just because people keep telling such nonsense doesn't mean its true. It is same bullshit like repeating USA is a democracy or germany or majority of western countries.
    Pseudo communism and pseudo democracy doesn't mean anything.

    Presidents in USA don't get elected, they get selcted. No money to run campaignes no presidency, if the unwanted would win just use manipulated counting machines, like the US does and those machines are even forbidden in the so called "undemocratic" countries like venezuela. Or cheat and get exposed at your precidency and the "judge" will decide it wouldn't matter anyway, like in Bushes "election".

    No democracy, no communism just a big fat show for everyone who is stupid enough to believe it.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:30 am

    Communism was not an excuse for nothing, was, is, and always will be THEY biggest enemy, because if every person could see the real communism, they power will disappear in days.

    Actually to me communism makes rather more sense than democracy.

    The business of running a country is tremendously complicated... by what measure can anyone suggest that the average voter has any idea about the best way to do anything right? Yet their vote has the same value as the most clued up economist...

    Voting these days is as much about marketing as it is about substance... how often are elections about one or two mundane and often vague promises... I will fix the economy... I will balance the books... they didn't do it the last 5 times they were in power but now you suddenly forget all the stupid sht they have done because there is so much recent BS the current regime has been caught doing.

    Communism and democracy is how often you clean out the horse stall.

    Some look at China and think it is a semi democracy when in actual fact it is totally communist but with a semblance of a free market economy. Very soon however the result will be the same problem as in the US... a theme that has created every Zombie Movie ever written... Zombie movies are about the gap between rich and poor except when they are coming for their money they are coming for fresh brain.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  dino00 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:07 pm

    Actually to me communism makes rather more sense than democracy.

    Garry B. my reply was not supposed to be rude...
    I realy appreciate your posts, and think you a have a great knowledge about almost everything hehe.

    Communism is democracy, its not different or make more sense is
    a democracy.
    The contrary of democracy is ditatership not communism.
    The only real democracy( power to the people) can be achieved by communism.

    China is a social-fascist dictatorship ruled by a "communist" party.

    URSS was a socialist country until de death of Joseph Stalin than slowly but progressebly become a capitalist country with gorbachov.

    Cuba is a socialist country.

    Never existed a communist country, and probably never will because de elites will never let that hapen, it will destroy they power.

    Democracy is not elections 4 or 5 years apart.

    There is no real democracy in the intire world except Cuba and Belaurus.
    Sorry my bad English.


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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  dino00 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:10 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    dino00 wrote:I think you dont know what is a democracy.
    Communism was not an excuse for nothing, was, is, and always will be THEY biggest enemy, because if every person could see the real communism, they power will disappear in days.
     

    It's truly unbelievable that people still refer to China as a "communist" country, if it was truly a communist country than why would Wallstreet and the City of London heavily lobby D.C. to ship all the manufacturing jobs to China back in the late 90's early 00's? If anything China is a mixed economy on the Charles De Gaulle model.

    Where thid i say China was a Communist country?
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:51 pm

    Imo, sure sell them engines- tho it should be a couple hundreds- more like 600 engines, enough to fund the next-gen engines for russia.
    Regarding offtopic, I think the best system of government would be a totalitarian one- tho the one at the top is not human, more like a supreme intelligence- like a super AI. Said AI is guided by the feelings and sentiments of the majority so there would be no BS about culture and whatnot.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:36 pm

    Communism, Democracy,Oligarchy,Plutocracy,Capitalism,theocracy all this forms and more all Dictatorships.

    Communism is the Dictatorship of no rich no poor, a shared pool of resources managed for the bright public.

    Democracy is the dictatorship of majority over the minority (Which in reallity is the opposite, Banks and Big companies select their politicians) so it's an oligarchic plutocracy.

    Oligarchy a dictatorsip by minority usually rich.

    Plutocracy dictatorship by rich people.

    Capitalism is actually not a political systeme but an economical systeme but which has direct result and direct dictatorship of domestic and foreign policy, the dictatorship of the market.

    theocracy the dictatorship of a religion.

    Most of the time none of this alone rules a country but are connected with each other.

    USA is ruled by private rich banks, oil companies, energy overall and military industrie (oligarchy/plutocracy) but are also ruled by others countries policies (Xenocracy), Israel has such a huge influence on foreign and domestic policies of USA and some EU countries like Germany that it is to evident itself to deny.

    Germany a totalitarian Xenocracy, ruled by Pentagon and Tel aviv with a capitalistic economy that is based on "growth" and oligarchs from Brussels (EU).

    Canada has capitalistic and in private sector socialistic veins, but has overall a balance between oligarchy of companies and some minor democracy veins.

    Russia has capitalistic with minor socialistic veins, which are reinstalled after gorbachov and yeltzin destroyed everything good in the country, and more democracy than any western country so far not much but still more with a decreasing core of oligarchs.

    There is no pure systemes only a mishmash of several things.

    No true communism was ever existent in any country most of the time ruled by xenocracy like bolshewiks.
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    Re: Ideologies Thread: Communism, Socialism, Capitalism

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:52 am

    I think we should set aside the politics from this thread... except those directly related to the topic. Smile

    And no offense taken dino00.

    I have not given a negative vote to anyone on this forum, and I certainly wont start now.

    I like to hear the opinions of others even when they are different from mine... not because I like to argue, but because I like to hear about other perspectives.

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    World Currency Shift

    Post  Scarr25 on Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:29 pm

    I have read that China has been amassing all the gold it can acquire for some time. The intent is to displace the American dollar with the Yuan as the
    world currency. If this happens how would that affect the valuation of arms sales to China among others?
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    Actually to me communism makes rather more sense than democracy.

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:34 am

    Unlikely to happen but currency value fluctuations are usually catered to in contracts... the time between payment and delivery can result in significant changes in currencies and it is usually in the contract as to how or if that is dealt with.

    Strong currencies tend to benefit importers rather than producers...

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