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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:13 pm

    And here they go ....

    Based on the Il-96-400T build tankers

    Voronezh aircraft manufacturers will begin work on the construction of the Russian Defense Ministry on the basis of two tankers Il-96-400T in 2015

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    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:45 pm

    Aviastar-SP started production of the first test Il-78M-90A tanker aircraft
    Russian Aviaton » Tuesday February 24, 2015 17:15 MSK

    Ulyanovsk-based Aviastar-SP started production of the first test Il-78M-90A next-generation tanker aircraft developed by Ilyushin Company. The assembly of fuselage sections and wing is underway. The work is being carried out under the contract with Russian Ministry of Defense for development of the next-generation tanker aircraft, press-service of Ilyushin Company reports.

    “This Il-78M-90A aircraft will be the first tanker aircraft manufactured in Russia. Earlier all the tankers were assembled by Tashkent Aviation Production Association named after V.P. Chkalov (TAPOiCh, Uzbekistan). Il-78M-90A was derived from Il-76MD-90A jet. In accordance with the customer’s requirements the aircraft must be able to serve as a military-transport jet: it must have a ramp, aerial delivery system and it must be able to use fire-fighting equipment. The aircraft can also be fitted with fueling equipment – additional fuel tanks located inside the cabin and universal suspended fueling equipment,” the company noted.

    Il-78M-90A aircraft will be the primary tanker aircraft used to refuel aircraft operated by long-range, frontline and special aviation. The jet allows refueling two aircraft simultaneously (like Su-27 and MiG-29) using fueling equipment mounted on its wing. The tail fueling equipment is designed for refueling of long-range and special aviation aircraft. Moreover, Il-78M-90A is capable of refueling up to 4 aircraft simultaneously while on the ground, Ilyushin Company noted.

    “The jet is powered by four PS-90A-76 engines with an increased bypass ratio and takeoff thrust (one of two modes may be activated during takeoff: maximum contingency rating with a thrust of 16 tons and maximum rating with a thrust of 14,5 tons). Specific fuel consumption of PS-90A-76 engine is 12-14% lower compared to D-30KP engine. Design and development of design documentation as well as production of the jet is being carried out using “paperless technology”, the press-service added.

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    So we will have 2 types of tanker aircraft? IL-478 and IL-96-400?

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    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:02 pm

    Deliveries of new Il-78M-90A tanker aircraft to Russian air forces will be started in 2018
    Russian Aviaton » Wednesday March 11, 2015 16:57 MSK

    Deliveries of new Il-78M-90A tanker aircraft to Russian air forces will be started in 2018, RIA Novosti reports with reference to a source close to the Russian military-industrial sector.

    This Il-78M-90A aircraft will be the first tanker aircraft manufactured in Russia. Earlier all the tankers were assembled by Tashkent Aviation Production Association named after V.P. Chkalov (TAPOiCh, Uzbekistan).

    “It is expected that the first Il-78M-90A will be delivered to the air forces in 2018,” the source noted.

    This February United Aircraft Corporation said that Ulyanovsk Aviation Plant started production of first Il-78M-90A prototype.

    Il-78M-90A derived from Il-76MD-90A aircraft will be the primary tanker aircraft used to refuel aircraft operated by long-range, frontline and special aviation.

    The jet allows refueling two aircraft simultaneously (like Su-27 and MiG-29) using fueling equipment mounted on its wing. The tail fueling equipment is designed for refueling of long-range and special aviation aircraft.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:21 am

    Well, Ilyushin so far is in pretty good financial position with skilled workers. After Il-476 growing popularity and sales + potential sales, they could start work on an alternative. Something in the 100 tone range.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:52 am

    sepheronx wrote:Well, Ilyushin so far is in pretty good financial position with skilled workers.  After Il-476 growing popularity and sales + potential sales, they could start work on an alternative. Something in the 100 tone range.

    Well they always can improve Il96T, freighter version of Il96 wide body liner, it should have in original variant around 92t lift capability, with some work that should reach 100t with ease.

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    Il-76TD-90=Il-476.

    Post  Project Canada on Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:27 am

    Isn't Ilyushin reported to have been working on a project that will rival the Globemaster? any news on its progress?

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:44 am

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Well, Ilyushin so far is in pretty good financial position with skilled workers.  After Il-476 growing popularity and sales + potential sales, they could start work on an alternative. Something in the 100 tone range.

    Well they always can improve Il96T, freighter version of Il96 wide body liner, it should have in original variant around 92t lift capability, with some work that should reach 100t with ease.

    That would be a good idea. I know they were floating the Il-96 aircrafts around for a bit to possibly get more.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:18 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Well, Ilyushin so far is in pretty good financial position with skilled workers.  After Il-476 growing popularity and sales + potential sales, they could start work on an alternative. Something in the 100 tone range.

    Well they always can improve Il96T, freighter version of Il96 wide body liner, it should have in original variant around 92t lift capability, with some work that should reach 100t with ease.

    That would be a good idea.  I know they were floating the Il-96 aircrafts around for a bit to possibly get more.

    They will probably build new presidental planes again on IL96 platform, and they ordered tankers on same platform, so yeah production of a sort still exist, in very small amounts tho.

    "In January, the Russian defence ministry awarded UAC a contract to build the first two Il-96-400TZ tankers, with the capability of transferring up to 65t of fuel using OPCD-1 refueling pods already developed for Il-78 tankers."

    Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/maks-russia-extends-il-96-production-by-several-years-416127/

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    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:21 pm

    "Deliveries of new Il-78M-90A tanker aircraft to Russian air forces will be started in 2018, RIA Novosti reports with reference to a source close to the Russian military-industrial sector.

    This Il-78M-90A aircraft will be the first tanker aircraft manufactured in Russia. Earlier all the tankers were assembled by Tashkent Aviation Production Association named after V.P. Chkalov (TAPOiCh, Uzbekistan). “It is expected that the first Il-78M-90A will be delivered to the air forces in 2018,” the source noted. This February United Aircraft Corporation said that Ulyanovsk Aviation Plant started production of first Il-78M-90A prototype.



    Il-78M-90A derived from Il-76MD-90A aircraft will be the primary tanker aircraft used to refuel aircraft operated by long-range, frontline and special aviation. The jet allows refueling two aircraft simultaneously (like Su-27 and MiG-29) using fueling equipment mounted on its wing. The tail fueling equipment is designed for refueling of long-range and special aviation aircraft."


    "New RuAF airtanker IL-78M-90A to be able to carry up to 110 t fuel First flight expected in May 2016 via Aviastar-SP"

    Source: http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2015/3/11/2966/

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    Post  victor1985 on Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:07 pm

    By the way about refuelling in air a bluethoot tehnology would help allign the aircraft with the refuel plane. A sensor would be mount right on the tube.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:10 am

    Bluetooth is a wireless communication system, and would not be very useful in aligning the hose with the drogue...

    Personally I would love to see the Russians produce an Il-96 based tanker aircraft... it could be used as a dedicated system for the strategic aviation for strategic bombers on theatre or strategic missions.

    the Il-96 is bigger and heavier than the Il-76/78 but would have better long range cruise performance and higher speed and altitude capabilities.

    The Il-476 can be used as the basis for a tactical aircraft refuelling aircraft for lighter planes... so Il-96T for Bear, Blackjack and PAK DA and also MiG-31 in PVO missions and Il-47 for everything else with inflight refuelling probes.

    Rather than an Il-96 based AWACS I would go the other way and have a smaller aircraft for the role to make it smaller and lighter and cheaper so it can be sold to countries like India etc as a force multiplier and gap filler in ground defences and of course rather better than ground radar for detecting cruise missile attacks... and a carrier based version would be useful too.


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    Post  victor1985 on Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:24 am

    Well just put instead bluethoot any wireles tehnology do you like...

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    Post  Militarov on Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:15 pm

    GarryB wrote:Bluetooth is a wireless communication system, and would not be very useful in aligning the hose with the drogue...

    Personally I would love to see the Russians produce an Il-96 based tanker aircraft... it could be used as a dedicated system for the strategic aviation for strategic bombers on theatre or strategic missions.

    the Il-96 is bigger and heavier than the Il-76/78 but would have better long range cruise performance and higher speed and altitude capabilities.

    The Il-476 can be used as the basis for a tactical aircraft refuelling aircraft for lighter planes... so Il-96T for Bear, Blackjack and PAK DA and also MiG-31 in PVO missions and Il-47 for everything else with inflight refuelling probes.

    Rather than an Il-96 based AWACS I would go the other way and have a smaller aircraft for the role to make it smaller and lighter and cheaper so it can be sold to countries like India etc as a force multiplier and gap filler in ground defences and of course rather better than ground radar for detecting cruise missile attacks... and a carrier based version would be useful too.

    "Russia has ordered two Ilyushin Il-96-400TZ air-to-air refuelling aircraft from United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), the Russian Ministry of Defence (MoD) has announced. The contract is notable as it marks the first time that Russia will convert one of its civilian wide-bodied airliners into a military air-to-air refuelling tanker aircraft.

    The aircraft, which are specified as being newbuilds, will supplement the Russian Air Force's existing fleet of 20 Ilyushin Il-78 'Midas' tanker aircraft. According to the MoD, the new aircraft will be fitted with the same UPAZ-1 (Unifitsirovanny Podvesnoy Agregaht Zaprahvky: Standardised Suspended Refuelling Unit) wing-mounted air-to-air refuelling pods as the Il-78. The MoD added that the Il-96-400TZ aircraft would be able to transfer in excess of 65 tons (58,967 kg) of fuel at ranges of up to 3,500 km. The four-engine Il-96 civilian airliner first entered service with Aeroflot in 1992 and now only remains in service with the Cubana airline and the Rossiya Russian government state fleet - which operates several Il-96 variants, including the Il-96-300PU Russian presidential aircraft.

    The conversion of Il-96 airliners into air-to-air refuelling (AAR) aircraft has long been suggested, although the idea had appeared to have fallen by the wayside. The move mirrors AAR tanker developments in the West, which typically leverages existing commercial passenger aircraft designs. In contrast Russia currently relies on its fleet of Il-78/Il-78M AAR aircraft, derived from the Il-76 'Candid' strategic transport aircraft, to provide the air force with an AAR capability."


    They kinda did, just i dont think they will form mainstray of the tanker fleet, seems these few Il96 based tankers are stopgap.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:01 am

    Yeah... I heard they were buying Il-96s for the purpose... didn't know any were ready yet.

    And my idea of using them for DA (strategic aviation) still stands.... Smile


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    Post  Dorfmeister on Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:Yeah... I heard they were buying Il-96s for the purpose... didn't know any were ready yet.

    And my idea of using them for DA (strategic aviation) still stands....  Smile

    There was an article in one of the last AFM about the fact that the two first IL-96-400TZ (RA-96101/96103 ex POLET aircrafts) would surely be followed by a few more. At least, it has been discussed... the proposed specifications (still to be confirmed so) of the birds making them really interesting for DA.

    Future will tell Wink

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    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:54 pm

    Assembly of the first tanker aircraft Il-78M-90A in "Aviastar-SP" plant



    The workshops took place in Ulyanovsk plant dock fuselage sections Il-78M-90A. According to plans, the first flight of the aircraft-tanker will be performed in 2016. On this first flight, model will pass the state tests. It is expected that upon their results will be awarded a state contract for the supply of Il-78M-90A to the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation.

    "The goal for 2016 - is to raise the IL-78M-90A in the air, - says Director General of" Aviastar-SP "Sergey Dementiev. - This is the first flight model, which will be held on the state tests. Based on the results we hope to obtain a contract for the supply of tankers."

    Production of the first flight IL-78M-90A is conducted under a contract with the Defense Ministry to carry out development work on advanced tanker aircraft. Building under the aircraft will be the first tanker produced in Russia. Before that, all the aircraft IL-78 were collected in Uzbekistan at the Tashkent aircraft plant.

    Il-78M-90A is a modification of military transport aircraft Il-76MD-90A. Upon request, maintained the possibility of use as a military transport plane: there is a ramp, landing equipment, and if necessary can be installed fire extinguishing equipment on the aircraft will be established Fueling equipment: two additional fuel tanks with a capacity of 50 tons each in the cargo compartment, as well as standardized units pendant refueling - two on one wing and in the aft fuselage.

    Tanker is equipped with four engines of the new generation PS-90A-76. Specific fuel consumption of the engine PS-90A-76 to 12-14% lower fuel consumption of the engine D-30KP. Design and development of design documentation, manufacture of aircraft is based on digital technology.
    After completion of the docking bay of the fuselage Il-78M-90A company specialists started to dock an aircraft wing. The new modification of the IL will be the main tanker aircraft adapted for refueling ships far, the front-line and specialized aircraft.

    "Recently we came to the commander of the military transport aircraft, - says Sergey Dementiev. - We talked with him, that the demand for tankers is. Ministry of Defense need about 30 of these aircraft. "

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    Post  nastle77 on Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:07 am

    when did air to air refuelling start with VVS and PVO ?
    In the soviet times were the mig-29 equipped with air to air refuelling probes ?

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    Post  Militarov on Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:33 am

    nastle77 wrote:when did air to air refuelling start with VVS and PVO ?
    In the soviet times were the mig-29 equipped with air to air refuelling probes ?

    First real tries were made with Tupolev Tu-4 in mid 50s, however it never entered serial production as a tanker. First real tanker in USSR was Tu-16Z and later Tu-16N in late 50s and early 60s. Tu-16Z was however considered mostly as failure due to its unusual and very dangerous refueling method wing-to-wing, Tu-16N used "common" probe and drogue system, some Tu-16Z were converted into Tu-16N but designated NN. Worth mentioning that they were used only to refuel Tu-22 bombers at that time.



    In mid 60s you had M-4-2 which was converted Myasishchev M4 and even later during 70s Myasishchev 3MS-2 which was converted M6.

    When its about MiG29, answer is yes, BUT, only very, very few had that capability back then. Mostly only those that they predicted might end up being used with their nuclear strike capabilities. MiG-29SMT is i belive first variant to feature refueling probe on all borts. Not even all MiG-31s had refueling probe, USSR mainly used their tanker fleet to support bombers TU22D, TU22M and TU95.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:07 am

    The only aircraft regularly fitted with inflight refuelling probes were strategic bombers... ie Tu-95, Tu-142, Tu-160, and long range interceptors like the MiG-31 and long range strike aircraft like the Su-24.

    very few tactical fighters and fighter bombers had them, though new designs had them for export.

    For highly populated areas the MiG-29 has plenty of range for the area they cover and for more sparsely populated areas the Su-27 has enormous range potential and for most of its missions flew with half empty internal fuel tanks.

    Only long range aviation used inflight refuelling aircraft.

    They developed the capability for inflight refuelling at the same time everyone else did... they just never really had a need for it as they developed their aircraft for home defence... not foreign conquest.


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    Post  medo on Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:02 pm

    nastle77 wrote:when did air to air refuelling start with VVS and PVO ?
    In the soviet times were the mig-29 equipped with air to air refuelling probes ?

    In Soviet times air refueling was for strategic bombers. First tactical jets wich receive IFR capabilities in the second half of the eighties were Su-24M and MiG-31B. Su-33, which was next come in the nineties in new Russia times.

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    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:42 am

    First Russian-Made Aerial Refueling Tanker to Start Flight Tests in 2016

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160324/1036883121/aircraft-russia-plane.html#ixzz43ysRyTfU


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    Post  Berkut on Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:38 am

    MiG-31DZ was around before MiG-31B was. No serial MiG-29's had IFR during soviet times. MiG-29M/K family had it, but they were prototypes. Same with the original Su-35 (T-10M). MiG-25 was tested with refuel probe and same with normal MiG-29's but again - prototypes.

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    Post  medo on Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:36 pm

    How many Il-96 based tankers are ordered or planed to be build?

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:53 pm

    Berkut wrote:MiG-31DZ was around before MiG-31B was. No serial MiG-29's had IFR during soviet times. MiG-29M/K family had it, but they were prototypes. Same with the original Su-35 (T-10M). MiG-25 was tested with refuel probe and same with normal MiG-29's but again - prototypes.

    I thought MiG29s that Moldova sold to US had refueling probes.

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:53 pm

    medo wrote:How many Il-96 based tankers are ordered or planed to be build?

    I saw in some article that they ordered 2... but it was like 2 years ago.

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