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    Ballistic Missile Defence: Discussion

    Post  Austin on Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:56 pm

    Warhead “Super-Fuze” Increases Targeting Capability Of US SSBN Force

    How US nuclear force modernization is undermining strategic stability: The burst-height compensating super-fuze
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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:40 pm

    Austin wrote:Warhead “Super-Fuze” Increases Targeting Capability Of US SSBN Force

    How US nuclear force modernization is undermining strategic stability: The burst-height compensating super-fuze

    Bollox.

    The assumption peddled in the second article is that Russian silo ICBMs would remain in their silos until the US warheads reached them.
    I have never seen any detailed justification of this assumption. The time between launch and arrival at the target is over 10 minutes
    at the least for ballistic missiles and well over an hour for cruise missiles even if they were to be fired at Russia's borders. The only way
    a first strike would work if there was a coup in the Kremlin that had enough time to sabotage the command and control. This is about
    as likely as pigs learning to fly through the icy wastes of Hell. Even Boris Yeltsin's bootlick comprador regime could not disable Russia's
    nuclear deterrent. Sorry, Uncle Scumbag, your window for action never really opened and is certainly closed now.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:44 pm

    The problem with hearing from a lot of sources...

    is that many like to use liquid fuelled ICBMs used by the Soviet Union as evidence of their backwardness... obviously solid fuel is superior to anything else... the west invented solid fuel don't you know... in China.


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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:47 pm

    I would add that with an interception capability of targets moving at 4.8km/s most models of S-400 should be able to defend an ICBM silo field from SLBM attack... certainly with S-500 the job would be even easier...

    Because Silos need direct hits I would think even TOR could blunt an SLBM attack on a silo...


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    Post  Arrow on Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:24 pm

    would add that with an interception capability of targets moving at 4.8km/s most models of S-400 should be able to defend wrote:

    Russia test S-400 against target moving at 4 km/s speed? There is no information about this.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:03 am

    Nahh, they pulled the number from the air... just the same with the range and flight speed of the missiles.

    Most bits of military equipment have design specs they need to perform to to be successful and to enter service.

    Target speeds of 4.8km/s is one of those parameters required of the S-400 SAM system.

    Why would it not have been tested?

    All the information released about the system lists 4.8km/s as the max speed for targets engaged by the system.

    That might be a limitation of the missile or the tracking and guidance system. When an S-500 battery is co-located then the S-400 system might be able to engage faster targets with improved radar systems of the S-500 operating with the S-400 battery.


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    Post  Singular_Transform on Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:20 am

    Arrow wrote:
    would add that with an interception capability of targets moving at 4.8km/s most models of S-400 should be able to defend wrote:

    Russia test S-400 against target moving at 4 km/s speed? There is no information about this.

    They using the rockets of the old SAM systems as target drones, so the speed is there.

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    Post  Arrow on Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:14 am

    They using the rockets of the old SAM systems as target drones, so the speed is there. wrote:

    Yes but this speed is about 1-1.5km/s ?
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:34 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem with hearing from a lot of sources...

    is that many like to use liquid fuelled ICBMs used by the Soviet Union as evidence of their backwardness... obviously solid fuel is superior to anything else... the west invented solid fuel don't you know... in China.

    I guess the premise of a first strike is that it is of sufficient back-stab suddenness that Russian silo ICBMs will not have time to fuel up.
    But I am quite sure that this was considered in the ICBM design going back to the 1950s. That is why they don't use LOX as an oxidant
    which allows them to be loaded with fuel for a long time. If US nuclear missiles can reach Russian silo targets in 10 minutes then
    it does not make sense to have ICBMs which cannot be in a full time state of readiness.

    But it is rather certain that any launch from near Russia's borders will be detected and Russian silo ICBMs will be flying almost immediately.
    So the 10 minute window is of no particular advantage for the first strike lunatics.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:50 am

    Yes but this speed is about 1-1.5km/s ?

    They have plenty of missiles with flight speeds of 4.8km/s and beyond they could use for testing.

    When they displayed interceptions in the 1990s at foreign military events they didn't use Honest Johns and MLRS weapons for the interception tests... they used their own equivalents.

    They would do the same for S400 tests.

    Do you think they use 1.5km/s SAM drones to test the Moscow ABM system every year for the last 30 odd years?


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    Post  Arrow on Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:34 pm

    What are the missile ? Russia hasn't MRBM and IRBM.



    So how many ICBM intercept Moscow ABM system during the test for last 10 years ?
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:44 am

    They have plenty of different missiles they can use... look at all the ICBMs they have withdrawn in the last 20 years.

    Liquid fuelled rockets can turn off their engines at any time and therefore reach any speed desired for reentry for testing purposes.


    So how many ICBM intercept Moscow ABM system during the test for last 10 years ?

    Hahahahahaha... yes... they tested them every year or every second year during the cold war but now they don't test them at all. All those upgrades and new radars and new missiles and they have not tested at all in the last 20 years... very logical.

    BTW I have never seen a photo of Obama taking a shit... I guess he is not human.


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