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    Post  max steel on Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:32 am

    if a-235 and 135 can shoot down ICBM's ( limited attack) and ofcourse SLBMs also because they are nothing but sea launched icbms then why Russia is building S-500? Because S-500 will be mobile thats why ? Meanwhile A-235/135 are immobile ?



    I guess Russia already posses weapons to destroy US recon satellites or any fancy space potent stuff.




    US has its Ground Based Interceptors ( GBI) in Alaska and Guam but these GBI's ( US answer to ICBM's) are terrible.


    Ohk got your point so terminal and re-entry speeds are two different things . What is Bulava's terminal speed? any idea? French SLBM M51 has Mach 25 speed. They tested it recently on 30th September 2015
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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:10 pm

    max steel wrote:if a-235 and 135 can shoot down ICBM's ( limited attack) and ofcourse SLBMs also because they are nothing but sea launched icbms then why Russia is building S-500? Because S-500 will be mobile thats why ? Meanwhile A-235/135 are immobile ?



    I guess Russia already posses weapons to destroy US recon satellites or any fancy space potent stuff.




    US has its Ground Based Interceptors ( GBI) in Alaska and Guam but these GBI's ( US answer to ICBM's) are terrible.


    Ohk got your point so terminal and re-entry speeds are two different things . What is Bulava's terminal speed? any idea? French SLBM M51 has Mach 25 speed. They tested it recently on 30th September 2015

    Because by treaty, dedicated immobile ABM shields are prohibited to be used in mass, to assure MAD. So both sides were forced by their compromise of treaty to protect only one location/city with that system. S-400/500 does not fall under that treaty, the US would like to have it there, but the US is the one that broke every treaty that mentions nuclear weapons or programms. They spread ABM and Nuclear technology, they have deployed ABM shield in europe and tactical nukes in europe (Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Turkey) while Russia so far hasn't breeched any of those treaties. If anyone it would be Russia that actually could overcome those treaties and field ABM in mass to lift the MAD to a destruction of US and entire NATO, while assuring survival of their own country. (survival =/= unharmed)
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    Garry someone mentioned it that A-135 and A-235 are mot meant to intercept icbm's

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:52 am

    if a-235 and 135 can shoot down ICBM's ( limited attack) and ofcourse SLBMs also because they are nothing but sea launched icbms then why Russia is building S-500? Because S-500 will be mobile thats why ? Meanwhile A-235/135 are immobile ?

    A-135 and A-235 are silo based and are enormous... and amazingly fast.

    For protecting fixed positions they are fine.

    S-500 is for protecting strategic things at short notice and for protecting things that might move... like an aircraft carrier... or you might send some to the Crimea to protect it for instance.

    I guess Russia already posses weapons to destroy US recon satellites or any fancy space potent stuff.

    Any country that can put a satellite in any orbit can shoot down a satellite... just launch a satellite in the opposite orbit to the orbit of the existing satellite you want to destroy.

    What is Bulava's terminal speed?

    No idea I am afraid.

    7km/s is mach 21 or so but I suspect as fast as new missiles land faster the S-500 will be upgraded to defeat them...

    The whole concept of mutually assured destruction is a good thing and has kept the peace for decades.

    effective ABM systems will ruin this and are a very bad thing... those idiot americans however can't see this and want to feel safe... even though nothing can make them safe really.


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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:13 pm

    Russia Developing Unique Radar Satellite System

    A group of Russian companies are currently cooperating to develop a cutting-age satellite radar system for country’s Defense Ministry.

    The new system will allow for creating a precise 3D model of Earth as well as tracking ground objects.

    "In the beginning of 2015, the Defense Industrial Commission decided that Russia will develop the system on its own. Then, a roadmap was agreed," a source in the industry told the Russian newspaper Izvestia.

    According to the project design, the system will comprise five satellite vehicles. The first launch is scheduled for 2019, the source added.

    The key component of the new system is an active phased array antenna for the on-board radar station.

    Russia’s Roselektronika Company is expected to develop, test and unveil the first Russian-made transmitter-receiver device in the first quarter of 2016.

    Earlier it was reported that the Defense Ministry wanted to purchase a radar system from Airbus Defense and Space (ADS).

    In 2013, Russia’s Lavochkin Research and Production Association won the tender. The company was expected to buy electronic parts for the radar from ADS and then mount them on the satellite platform. After the West imposed sanctions against a number of Russian companies over the Ukrainian crisis the decision was made to develop the entire system in Russia.

    If the project is successful Russia could import such systems, specialists said.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151105/1029632141/russian-radar-satellite.html#ixzz3qcdXt0YH


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    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:32 pm

    Russian Aerospace Forces to Receive Advanced Missile Defenses

    The Russian Aerospace Forces will receive a modernized missile defense system in the near future, Colonel Andrei Cheburin announced.

    "I’m sure that in the short-term perspective we will receive an upgraded missile defense system," Cheburin told RSN Radio.

    He noted that currently the modernization of missile defenses is underway which will seriously enhance their combat capabilities.

    Cheburin added that this year an interceptor missile was successfully launched from the Sary-Shagan range.

    "We also successfully located and tracked all ballistic missiles launched from our continent," he said.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151128/1030926953/russian-new-missile-defenses.html#ixzz3stJ7nJUV


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    Russian Aerospace Capabilities, Warning Systems to Provide Security by 2021

    The capabilities of intelligence and warning systems will provide for the timely warning of an airspace attack, according to the head of Russia’s Aerospace General Staff.

    Russian Aerospace Forces’ intelligence capabilities and its early missile attack warning systems will provide for the country’s security and response decision-making by 2021, the head of Russia’s Aerospace General Staff said Monday.

    “The capabilities of intelligence systems and warning systems of aerospace enemy attacks will provide for the timely warning of an aerospace attack with the goal of making a decision on responsive actions, including the use of strategic nuclear forces,” Lt.-Gen. Pavel Kurachenko said.
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    In Russia are developing the latest technology to defeat space targets

    Post  franco on Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:24 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:In Russia are developing the latest technology to defeat space targets

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160319/1392757971.html
    MOSCOW, 19 Mar – RIA Novosti. Technology, allowing to hit targets in space from submarines are being developed in Russia, said Saturday the Deputy commander of the Navy for armaments Vice Admiral Victor bursuc.
    The construction of the submarine. Archive photo

    "These technologies are really used, and working on that not only our scientists, but also abroad. Of course, this is one of the areas of future weapons submarines", — he told on air of radio station "Echo of Moscow".
    In 2008, Russia began large-scale military reform, the key point of which was the rearmament program of the Armed forces (AF) of the Russian Federation. In 2010 it was decided to allocate re-equipment by 2020 20 trillion rubles to increase the share of new military equipment to 70%




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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:14 am

    Regarding weapons that can hit satellites... that would be S-500 and of course who are you going to blame for its existance... it was the unilateral withdrawl by the US that made the S-500 possible... they had nothing like that planned or could be planned at the time.

    Now they have road mobile A-235s and soon S-500s to shoot down US satellites.


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    Post  Isos on Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:46 am

    GarryB wrote:Regarding weapons that can hit satellites... that would be S-500 and of course who are you going to blame for its existance... it was the unilateral withdrawl by the US that made the S-500 possible... they had nothing like that planned or could be planned at the time.

    Now they have road mobile A-235s and soon S-500s to shoot down US satellites.

    wikipedia wrote:MiG-31D[edit]

    Two aircraft were designated as Type 31D and were manufactured as dedicated anti-satellite models with ballast in the nose instead of radars, flat fuselage undersurface (i.e. no recessed weapon system bays) and had large winglets above and below the wing-tips. Equipped with Vympel ASAT missiles.[72]

    wikipedia wrote:Russia[edit]

    The successful flight test of Russia’s direct ascent anti-satellite missile, known as Nudol, took place Nov. 18, 2015, according to defense officials familiar with reports of the test.[16]

    Mig 31 is ready t shoot them too Twisted Evil
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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:14 pm

    GarryB wrote:Regarding weapons that can hit satellites... that would be S-500 and of course who are you going to blame for its existance... it was the unilateral withdrawl by the US that made the S-500 possible... they had nothing like that planned or could be planned at the time.

    Now they have road mobile A-235s and soon S-500s to shoot down US satellites.


    True but article main topic was

    Technology, allowing to hit targets in space from submarines are being developed in Russia, said

    S-500 on subs?
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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  max steel on Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:42 pm

    Thaad-er is similar to s-500 in operational range atleast.
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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:22 am

    Mig 31 is ready t shoot them too

    AFAIK they stopped that system, though it had potential it did violate the 1972 ABM treaty.

    Of course now they are developing S-500, A-235, and other missiles able to reach satellites it just makes sense to have an air launched weapon too... a Mach 4.2 Mig-41 would be the ideal platform too... Smile

    True but article main topic was

    Technology, allowing to hit targets in space from submarines are being developed in Russia, said

    S-500 on subs?

    The question is what does the S-500 look like... if it is the same or similar size to S-300P/F then it could be loaded into Poliment Redut and most new Russian ships can carry it... and with lock on after launch capability it could easily be fitted to subs too.

    Subs are currently very vulnerable to air power like MPAs, but the lock on after launch technology being developed for Morfei and the lock on after launch capability of ARH missiles like 9M96 would be very potent against MPAs and helos as well as UAVs...

    And the ability to covertly send a sub to a region of the earth to fire anti satellite missiles before they pass over a sensitive region could be very useful to Russia.

    Thaad-er is similar to s-500 in operational range atleast.

    I haven't seen any range figures for THAAD ER...


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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  jhelb on Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:21 pm

    GarryB wrote: but the lock on after launch technology being developed for Morfei and the lock on after launch capability of ARH missiles like 9M96 would be very potent against MPAs and helos as well as UAVs...

    But GarryB, lock on after launch is basically old technology, anything special about this tech w.r.t Morfei?

    GarryB wrote:And the ability to covertly send a sub to a region of the earth to fire anti satellite missiles before they pass over a sensitive region could be very useful to Russia.

    The US and of late China have deployed several ocean-floor surveillance network. There is every possibility that Russian submarines will be detected by them. Better to stay within Russian waters and fire the anti satellite missile.
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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  max steel on Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:21 pm

    Well they can't put blanket over an entire ocean.
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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:36 am

    But GarryB, lock on after launch is basically old technology, anything special about this tech w.r.t Morfei?

    Lock on after launch is old technology with radar... ARH missiles like R-77 and R-37 can fly to target on autopilot and then when they get near the projected location of the target they can turn on their own radars, find the target and home in. If the target makes some serious manovuers after missile launch that will mean the target will not be visible to the missile by the time it starts scanning then the launch aircraft will send course corrections via datalink to ensure the target is visible to the missile when it starts looking.

    For IIR missiles however lock on after launch is not so common... the AIM-9X does not have lock on after launch capability and needs to be lowered out of a weapons bay so it can look for its target before it can be launched, meaning a stealth aircraft opening its weapons bay and becoming non stealthy for long periods.

    The Morfei will have an imaging IR seeker that can recognise 3D shapes and have an onboard database of 3D shapes so when it sees a 3D object from any angle it can identify it based on its shape and decide for itself whether to attack or keep looking.

    It will likely have a two way datalink with the launch aircraft so the pilot can reassign the missile to a different more dangerous target if needed.... there is nothing Old about it....

    The US and of late China have deployed several ocean-floor surveillance network. There is every possibility that Russian submarines will be detected by them. Better to stay within Russian waters and fire the anti satellite missile.

    Detecting is not enough and there are no ocean floor sensor arrays near Antarctica... so a Yasen operating there can shoot down US satellite after US satellite and be relatively safe from retaliation.... by the time a US sub got there to stop it it simply could have moved on.

    Well they can't put blanket over an entire ocean.

    Exactly...


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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:03 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Well they can't put blanket over an entire ocean.

    Exactly...

    Well IMHO now works will go for making " stealth" subs with significant smaller signature...so even blanket ill have serious holes. Can be a plethora of solutions new composite materials improved mechanics...electromotors, sonar waves´ absorption, counter sonar technology as analogy to EW...
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    Russia and China in May to hold the first computer exercise on missile defense

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    I know somewhere in the Pentagon someone's shitting BRICS... Cool Wink

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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  max steel on Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:08 pm

    Well SM-3 Block I-A/B missiles fly at 3 km/s ( Mch 10.2)  and now Block II-A will fly at 4.5 km/s (Mach 15.25). So S-500 travelling only at Mach 10 ? Doesn't sound much interesting and it will target within 200 km altitude which is endo-atmospheric .



    By the way is it necessary that your interceptor should travel at higher speed than adversary ICBM because you'll be launching your interceptor seconds later after tracking the launch to in order to coverup the speed ?

    So Much hype for s-500 Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  kvs on Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:59 pm

    max steel wrote:Well SM-3 Block I-A/B missiles fly at 3 km/s ( Mch 10.2)  and now Block II-A will fly at 4.5 km/s (Mach 15.25). So S-500 travelling only at Mach 10 ? Doesn't sound much interesting and it will target within 200 km altitude which is endo-atmospheric .



    By the way is it necessary that your interceptor should travel at higher speed than adversary ICBM because you'll be launching your interceptor seconds later after tracking the launch to in order to coverup the speed ?

    So Much hype for s-500 Rolling Eyes

    You claim it is endo-atmospheric interception but there is no atmosphere at 200 km. At those altitudes the mass budget of the ionized gases is dominated by human orbital debris. It's funny how Russia has so many blood sucking naysayers swarming it all the time. They always claim Russia is weak and backward and then they get their asses handed to them on a platter as during WWII. Spare us your BS. Russia and the USA are the only two countries on the planet with the ability and commitment to develop ABM systems. Some irrelevant 3rd party observer spouting off their gut feelings is just noise.
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    Post  max steel on Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:23 pm

    My bad 100km and below is endo-atmospheric. Haven't answered 2nd question yet and any idea on interceptor speed ? I've doubts and just want to know more. Will S-500 be using Kill Vehicle ?

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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:58 pm

    max steel wrote:My bad 100km and below is endo-atmospheric. Haven't answered 2nd question yet and any idea on interceptor speed ?  I've doubts and just want to know more. Will S-500 be using Kill Vehicle ?


    No you are not.  Cause your rolling eyes about S-500 is a joke.  Sorry to say, but SM-3 was proven to be a joke but hey, you say its better because apparently the max speeds of it (official statements) vs what we are speculating to be exactly what it is, is full on truth.  You, I and all of us do not actually know what is what on S-500 yet, cause it isn't out.  But please do tell us how much SM-3 is better.  Idiot.

    So how many of those in the picture is official? Did MoD/Almaz Antey state these?
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    Post  max steel on Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:51 pm

    I got this picture from Austin blog you can check the link(http://austinstalk.blogspot.in/2016/05/s-500-air-space-defense-system.html). If you can't recollect what you all were discussing about S-500 missile speed and when garry said in total 10 km/s ( including enemy missile+ interceptor speed) that's why I shared the SM-3 interceptor speed figures just to compare that if BMs interceptor can travel at Mach 10 and 14(by 2018) then why S-500 interceptor will travel at 3km/s ( which is Mach 10 only) to intercept an ICBM and then I aksed my query that is it necessary that the interceptor must travel at higher speed than adversary ICBM because you'll be launching your interceptor seconds later after tracking the launch in order to coverup the speed(time elapsed) ?

    I know no one here knows the exact speed of interceptor but in accordance with the figure of 10km/s quoted by Garry(http://www.russiadefence.net/t1689p50-a-135-anti-ballistic-missile-system#165764) I had a doubt that's why I weighed in. Regarding SM-3 capabilities go read the US MDA thread unlike you I've been updating it regularly and FYI no one talked about SM-3 efficiency( deviating from the point). I mentioned the speed just for comparison. Oh! I didn't know you people take emoticon seriously and if you have your panties in a wad over someone's opinion on the internet then by all means you are in the wrong place. It would be great if you can answer the queries otherwise feel free to block me, not interested in stretching offtopic BS.
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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:23 pm

    Edit: I am being too harsh and I am sorry Max.

    Just don't take to heart the claims, as we all are just purely speculating.
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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:20 pm

    Well SM-3 Block I-A/B missiles fly at 3 km/s ( Mch 10.2) and now Block II-A will fly at 4.5 km/s (Mach 15.25). So S-500 travelling only at Mach 10 ? Doesn't sound much interesting and it will target within 200 km altitude which is endo-atmospheric .

    Can I ask you why you think speed is so critical?
    Speed is of course very useful for any interceptor, but its engagement parameters are vastly more important than its top speed.

    Also do you actually understand how rockets work?

    SM-3 Block whatever the fuck don't fly at 3km/s from launch to the target... their speed varies depending upon what part of the flight they are at... they start off at zero and might rapidly accelerate to 3km/s but then the rocket motor burns out and they coast to the target relying on the fact that the first few seconds of flight takes them past the thickest low altitude air where drag is highest.

    If the S-500 can engage targets up to 600km distant and hit targets travelling at 7km/s who cares how fast or slow it is?

    when garry said in total 10 km/s ( including enemy missile+ interceptor speed) that's why I shared the SM-3 interceptor speed figures just to compare that if BMs interceptor can travel at Mach 10 and 14(by 2018) then why S-500 interceptor will travel at 3km/s ( which is Mach 10 only) to intercept an ICBM and then I aksed my query that is it necessary that the interceptor must travel at higher speed than adversary ICBM because you'll be launching your interceptor seconds later after tracking the launch in order to coverup the speed(time elapsed) ?

    Ummm... Garry didn't say the total interception speed is 10km/s...

    "Expert Council member board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation, the chief editor of "Arsenal Fatherland" Viktor Murakhovski: Given that the mutual speed of interception will be, probably, more than 10 kilometers per second (or close to this figure), here to destroy even the explosive is required."

    This guy says interception speed will be MORE than 10km/s... so it might be 15km/s for all we know... he doesn't work for the company that makes the missile... he is a magazine editor... but lets just run around shouting that the sky is falling because he does not say S-500 flys at mach 50. Smile



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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  max steel on Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:33 pm

    Yup thats what I said you mentioned 10km/s is the total speed of adversary icbm+ interceptor missile and 600km target altitude is not for ICBM ( 200 km is. )

    Interceptor speed was my doubt from start that's why I asked is it necessary that the interceptor must travel at higher speed than adversary ICBM because you'll be launching your interceptor seconds later after tracking the launch in order to coverup the speed(time elapsed) ?


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