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    Post  Mindstorm on Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:58 pm



    Interview with the legendary Анатолий Иванович Савин , conceiver and creator of the first working ASAT program at world, of first world's space based global surveillance and tracking system (with a little hint to a very special quality of the revolutionary system in question , unmatched abroad still today) and of literally dozen and dozen other breakthrough discoveries and weapon system in several different fields since '40 years.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:43 pm

    Interesting indeed I read it this morning but forgot to post.

    Most interesting part is where the Ocean Survellence Satellite was about to track NATO Submarine and Ship through out the world

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    Post  Mindstorm on Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:11 pm


    Austin wrote:Most interesting part is where the Ocean Survellence Satellite was about to track NATO Submarine......


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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  NickM on Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:18 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:

    Interview with the legendary Анатолий Иванович Савин , conceiver and creator of the first working ASAT program at world, of first world's space based global surveillance and tracking system (with a little hint to a very special quality of the revolutionary system in question , unmatched abroad still today) and of literally dozen and dozen other breakthrough discoveries and weapon system in several different fields since '40 years.

    A true living legend ; worth of attentive reading for any word.



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    You know Mindstorm, this is what I fear. A huge deterioration in the quality of comments on RMF primarily because some self serving posters from India and Africa have completely hijacked this forum with their low level intellect and garbage posts.In fact just a couple of minutes ago I was advising a new comer to RMF to avoid such posters.

    This is nothing but a blatant publicity stunt that you have posted. Not that I blame you. You are only a victim of this environment, where mediocrity is thriving.

    Submerged vessels also generate a diverse range of indirect effects on the surrounding marine environment; these are categorised as physical, optical and thermal effects. While such effects are highly variable, being dependent on submarine type and operational parameters, they do NOT provide any potential means of detecting submerged vessels using space based sensors.

    No other country has perfected the art of submarine hunting like the US. For example, the Continuous Trail Unmanned Vessel (ACTUV) program of the US Navy is a state of the art type of unmanned surface vessel that could independently track adversaries’ ultra-quiet diesel-electric submarines or nuclear submarines over thousands of miles. Such technologies are un matched anywhere in the world.

    Every single Russian (or Chinese or Indian) submarine can be detected by the UK and US. This is why Russian submarines hide under ice sheets to avoid detection and fire their SLBMs from their.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:33 pm

    NickM wrote:
    Every single Russian (or Chinese or Indian) submarine can be detected by the UK and US. This is why Russian submarines hide under ice sheets to avoid detection and fire their SLBMs from their.

    lol! lol! lol! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:17 am

    Russian Aerospace Defense Forces to start operating in June — commander

    The principally new branch of Russia’s Armed Forces will bring together Aerospace Defense Forces and Air Force

    MOSCOW, April 7. /TASS/. The Russian Aerospace Defense Forces (known as VKO in Russia) will start operating in June this year, VKO Commander General-Lieutenant Alexander Golovko said on Monday.

    The principally new branch of Russia’s Armed Forces will bring together VKO and Air Force.

    "For Aerospace Defense Forces and Air Force, the Army-2015 forum is unique because it will take place when a new type of Russian Armed Forces becomes operational," Golovko said.

    On June 16-19, the Russian Defense Ministry will hold an international defense exhibition Army-2015 in Kubinka.
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    Post  George1 on Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:12 pm

    Aerospace Defense Force Detects Reconnaissance Satellites Spying on Russia

    According to commander of the Space Command Maj. Gen. Oleg Maidanovich, Russia's Aerospace Defense Force has recently detected on the orbit a group of reconnaissance satellites spying on Russia.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russia's Aerospace Defense Force (VKO) has recently detected on the orbit a group of reconnaissance satellites spying on Russia, commander of the Space Command Maj. Gen. Oleg Maidanovich said Sunday.

    "Recently the staff of the Main Space Intelligence Center detected a group of newly launched satellites. The group was set to collect intelligence on the devices located on the territory of the Russian Federation," Maidanovich told Russia's Zvezda TV channel.

    He said there was no need to specify the country of origin of the satellites.

    He added that the Main Space Intelligence Center monitors about 20,000 space objects out of a total number of 100,000 on the Earth's orbit. Russia has more than 140 space objects.

    The mission of the Main Space Intelligence Center located in the Moscow Region is to detect satellites, maintain the catalogue of space objects and provide intelligence.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150412/1020783617.html#ixzz3X61bUvzj
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    Post  George1 on Sun May 10, 2015 10:09 pm

    Russian Aerospace Defense to Get New Radars, Shed Older Models

    Russian Aerospace Defense Forces (VKO) want to get rid of older radar models for the benefit of newer generation.

    Russian Aerospace Defense Forces (VKO) plan to cut the number of radar units produced for the air defense of Moscow and the Central region four times, however VKO will boost the production of new generation air defense systems, VKO spokesperson Alexei Zototukhin told RIA Novosti.

    "Due to the introduction of new generations of radars to air- and ballistic missile defense systems, capable of detecting a wide range of high-altitude and high speed targets, the range of purchased radar systems and air defense units may be reduced two times in 2016 and four times, starting 2021," — Zolotukhin said.

    According to Zolotukhin, this will improve maintainability of new radar units and cancel the operation of older models.

    He also added that the production of new radar models, coming into service this year, will be doubled.

    Last month, Zoloukhin said VKO will carry out eight drills throughout 2015 that will involve firing exercises with air defense missile systems.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150510/1021973547.html#ixzz3ZlgoQMO4
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:27 pm

    Defense Ministry: Russian launch missile defense system was successful



    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150609/1069008176.html

    MOSCOW, Jun 9 — RIA Novosti. Troops EKR held in Kazakhstan's successful missile launch system missile defense, told reporters in the management of the press service and information of the defense Ministry.
    "On Tuesday, June 9, joint combat crew of ground Sary-Shagan (strategic rocket forces) troops aerospace defense (ASD) and industry representatives in 11 hours 32 minutes (MSK) successfully conducted a test launch of the missile near the Russian system of missile defence (BMD)", — stated in the message.



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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  max steel on Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:56 am

    When S-500 will come in service can it shoot down hypersonic gliders and  submarine launched tridents ?


    If russia has defenses to shoot down icbms and usa  doesnt posses such systems( their Ground Missile Defence Interceptors  their only answer to icbms are  not reliable ) then why usa resorts to muscle flexing ore often than russians . I've shared an article describing gmd interceptors unreliability .


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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  Mike E on Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:36 am

    max steel wrote:When S-500 will come in service can it shoot down hyperdonic gliders and  submarine launched tridents ?

    If russia has defenses to shoot down icbms and usa  doesnt posses such systems( their Ground Missile Defence Interceptors  their only answer to icbms are  not reliable ) then why usa resorts to muscle flexing ore often than russians . I've shared an article describing gmd interceptors unreliability .
    The US isn't close to have HSV's in service and as such there is little reason to ask. However, I can tell you with certainty that the S-500 will have no trouble engaging a target with the HSV-specific flight path.

    Tridents are old as **** and in no way maneuverable. You could probably shoot one down with an Igla. lol1

    Both countries have their defenses, the difference is Russia isn't stupid enough to flaunt theirs while in reality, they are failures. THAAD will have no effect against any modern ICBM in Russia's inventory, same goes for the GMDI which are basically proven failures. - Intercepting non-maneuverable BM's that are completely known to be launched is nothing special! failing to do so is pathetic at best. 

    SM-3 is honesty the greatest threat, but I doubt it will be all that reliable against ICBM's in a realistic scenario. They aren't satellites after all...
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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  ahmedfire on Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:40 am

    max steel wrote:When S-500 will come in service can it shoot down hyperdonic gliders and  submarine launched tridents ?


    If russia has defenses to shoot down icbms and usa  doesnt posses such systems( their Ground Missile Defence Interceptors  their only answer to icbms are  not reliable ) then why usa resorts to muscle flexing ore often than russians . I've shared an article describing gmd interceptors unreliability .

    S-500 will deal with targets with max speed 21 Mach
    Hypersonic speed range lies between Mach 5 and Mach 10 ,so yes S-500 can deal with hypersonic gliders.

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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:52 pm

    The main difference is that the US systems based in Europe or the Arctic ocean is near the launch positions of Russian Missiles and therefore will engage individual missiles and warhead buses before warheads are deployed.

    The Russian systems are in Russia... so are deployed around the target and therefore have to deal with warheads and decoys... potentially thousands instead of hundreds.

    Being able to base S-500s in say Canada would make their potential capability orders of magnitude better... obviously not an issue however.

    S-500 should be able to intercept 7km/s targets, which means most SLBMs and ICBMs.

    AFAIK the only operational and fully tested ABM system in the world currently operates around Moscow, as it has done for decades.


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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  ahmedfire on Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:03 pm

    GarryB wrote:The main difference is that the US systems based in Europe or the Arctic ocean is near the launch positions of Russian Missiles and therefore will engage individual missiles and warhead buses before warheads are deployed.

    The Russian systems are in Russia... so are deployed around the target and therefore have to deal with warheads and decoys... potentially thousands instead of hundreds.

    Being able to base S-500s in say Canada would make their potential capability orders of magnitude better... obviously not an issue however.

    S-500 should be able to intercept 7km/s targets, which means most SLBMs and ICBMs.

    AFAIK the only operational and fully tested ABM system in the world currently operates around Moscow, as it has done for decades.


    Any future conflict ,Russia will first destroy these ABM system in europe before launching her nuclear delivery systems.
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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  Viktor on Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:33 pm

    max steel wrote:When S-500 will come in service can it shoot down hyperdonic gliders and  submarine launched tridents ?


    If russia has defenses to shoot down icbms and usa  doesnt posses such systems( their Ground Missile Defence Interceptors  their only answer to icbms are  not reliable ) then why usa resorts to muscle flexing ore often than russians . I've shared an article describing gmd interceptors unreliability .

    S-500 is designed with specialy hypersonic Mach 20-25 at 30-100 km altitude in mind among other.



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    max steel wrote:When S-500 will come in service can it shoot down hyperdonic gliders and  submarine launched tridents ?

    If russia has defenses to shoot down icbms and usa  doesnt posses such systems( their Ground Missile Defence Interceptors  their only answer to icbms are  not reliable ) then why usa resorts to muscle flexing ore often than russians . I've shared an article describing gmd interceptors unreliability .
    The US isn't close to have HSV's in service and as such there is little reason to ask. However, I can tell you with certainty that the S-500 will have no trouble engaging a target with the HSV-specific flight path.

    Funny thing is that while western countries possess great deal of cruise missiles their defenses against it is almost soely based on aviation component Very Happy

    Thats why panic broke out when Russia started fielding Kh-101, R-500 cruise missiles. Defenses against it is extremely expensive Very Happy


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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  max steel on Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:05 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    The US isn't close to have HSV's in service and as such there is little reason to ask. However, I can tell you with certainty that the S-500 will have no trouble engaging a target with the HSV-specific flight path.

    Tridents are old as **** and in no way maneuverable. You could probably shoot one down with an Igla. lol1

    Both countries have their defenses, the difference is Russia isn't stupid enough to flaunt theirs while in reality, they are failures. THAAD will have no effect against any modern ICBM in Russia's inventory, same goes for the GMDI which are basically proven failures. - Intercepting non-maneuverable BM's that are completely known to be launched is nothing special! failing to do so is pathetic at best. 

    SM-3 is honesty the greatest threat, but I doubt it will be all that reliable against ICBM's in a realistic scenario. They aren't satellites after all...

    1)Well US tested its Darpa Glider Vehicle and it attained Mach 20 speed both the time in two tests but it eventually failed . So they are pretty much near in making a functional Hypersonic Glider Vehicle . Meanwhile Chinese Glider attained mach 10 speed , though Chinese won't attack russians and their glider successfully performed extreme maneuvers in the latest test . Now S-500 can hit targets upto 7km/s which roughly means Mach 20.57 . So any ICBM above Mach 20 can go past russian defense ? Btw How fast an American nuke delievery vehicle can go ? Top speed ?


    2)Trident SLBM's can deliever multiple warheads . You can target it only via S-500 ? I mean S-400 , or Naval SAM's or A-235 isn't successful in neutralising it ? How Trident differs from Bulava ?

    3) SM-3 can shoot down only Ballistic Missiles ( non-maneuverable only ) . It's latest version SM-6 is also same . They can shoot down non-maneuverable ( predicted flight path) SRBM's , MRBM's , IRBM's .See the image below . But not Iksander's .


    (I've a  pdf on Aegis BMD , if anyone is interested just ping me .) What a Face



    GarryB wrote:

    The main difference is that the US systems based in Europe or the Arctic ocean is near the launch positions of Russian Missiles and therefore will engage individual missiles and warhead buses before warheads are deployed.
    The Russian systems are in Russia... so are deployed around the target and therefore have to deal with warheads and decoys... potentially thousands instead of hundreds.Being able to base S-500s in say Canada would make their potential capability orders of magnitude better... obviously not an issue however.S-500 should be able to intercept 7km/s targets, which means most SLBMs and ICBMs.AFAIK the only operational and fully tested ABM system in the world currently operates around Moscow, as it has done for decades.


    Well Russia can easily  deploy  defenses on it's Artic Base near north pole which will help russia to target american nukes at intermediate stage perhaps .  Garry 7km/s means Mach 20.5 . So Trident SLBM's or any american ICBM's coming with greater speed ( more than mach 20 ) can't be intercepted ? As I asked above Btw How fast an American nuke can go( via SLBM or ICBM or HGV ) ? It's top speed ?


    Viktor wrote:

    S-500 is designed  specially with hypersonic Mach 20-25 at 30-100 km altitude in mind among other.

    ah! thanks for the clarification , i thought it can't intercept beyond  7km/s . Btw an ICBM can attain maximum speed = 11.5 Km/s ( which is also called as Escape Velocity isn't it ? )
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:16 pm

    Now S-500 can hit targets upto 7km/s which roughly means Mach 20.57 . So any ICBM above Mach 20 can go past russian defense ? Btw How fast an American nuke delievery vehicle can go ? Top speed ?

    there are very few ICBMs and no SLBMs whose warheads enter the earths atmosphere at more than Mach 20 and the vast majority rapidly decellerate as they enter the atmosphereand would become vulnerable.

    the Early model S-500 is designed to engage 7km/s targets... newer models will no doubt be designed to engage any actual threat the US or China manages to put into service.

    2)Trident SLBM's can deliever multiple warheads . You can target it only via S-500 ? I mean S-400 , or Naval SAM's or A-235 isn't successful in neutralising it ? How Trident differs from Bulava ?

    Trident should be interceptable by A-135 and A-235 and likely also S-400 as well.


    Well Russia can easily deploy defenses on it's Artic Base near north pole which will help russia to target american nukes at intermediate stage perhaps . Garry 7km/s means Mach 20.5 . So Trident SLBM's or any american ICBM's coming with greater speed ( more than mach 20 ) can't be intercepted ? As I asked above Btw How fast an American nuke can go( via SLBM or ICBM or HGV ) ? It's top speed ?

    The advantage will always be with the attacker as there will likely be rather more ICBMs and SLBMs than S-500s or SM-6s.

    the whole point of weapons of mass destruction is that they not be stoppable... once one side... Russia or the US believe they could stop enough of the enemies weapons to make it survivable the likelyhood of WWIII suddenly becomes MUCH more likely... that is a bad thing.

    Back in 1972 everyone realised that ABMs were bad because they undermined MAD and MAD is the only think that kept either side from starting WWIII.

    Today of course we are all dumb fucks thanks to our pointless copy and paste media that writes what the government wants them to write and they want to spend money on an ABM system they will tell the American people will keep them safe... it wont. It will actually make them much much less safe... especially when Russia withdraws from INF and new START treaties and starts producing nukes by the thousand with the support of their new breeder reactors...

    Btw an ICBM can attain maximum speed = 11.5 Km/s ( which is also called as Escape Velocity isn't it ? )

    If it did it would not return to earth and it will either enter earths orbit or leave earth for good.

    Most ICBMs do not hit the ground at anything like their top speed and most ICBMs attain a reentry speed of about 7km/s... recognise that speed? Wonder why the intercept speed of the S-500 was set to 7km/s? Smile


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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  Viktor on Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:40 pm

    max steel wrote:
    Viktor wrote:

    S-500 is designed  specially with hypersonic Mach 20-25 at 30-100 km altitude in mind among other.

    ah! thanks for the clarification , i thought it can't intercept beyond  7km/s . Btw an ICBM can attain maximum speed = 11.5 Km/s ( which is also called as Escape Velocity isn't it ? )

    For instance, check this out

    http://www.fighter-planes.com/jetmach1.htm

    speed of sound changes with altitude meaning 7000km/sec at 18km altitude is not as same as on the ground level. Meaning 7000km/sec at 30km altitude is approx. Mach 25.

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    Russia already have in service anti ICBM defenses..

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:44 am

    Russia already have in service anti ICBM defenses..

    A- 135 and A-235 can do it..  






    Russia also is not only working with S-500..
    but with Electromagnetic weapons/counter electronic weapons , that can disable /shutdown/Burn
    any ICBM before enters in Russia.. that will be a really game changer thing. also can be used
    against US satellites.. which hover at 30km altitude. But so far apparently the system is still under development..  If Russia leave the space treaty as they should do.. it will be even easier..
    they just move their already in service Electromagnetic warfare and deploy it on orbit in space and will blind any ICBM guidance system ,so it will lose communication and will be blinded.. and could end missing completely its target by hundreds of km or simply to not detonate if its electronics are burned.

    i cannot advertise enough Russia electronic warfare system... If what they claim is half
    truth.. or even 10%.. as good as they say.. it will truly revolutionize future wars.. Imagine a land based huge electromagnetic gun ,that aim at ICBM and shut them down/fry its electronics before it even get close to Russia? Shocked  Such a gun will totally make Obsolete any kind of
    modern warfare that NATO use . Is mind blowing only the idea that Russia is even developing something to shut down in space satellites using electronic warfare.

    Im already amazed at the videos of helicopters deflecting projectiles is crazy good to be true just using counter electronics.. if such things are possible at lower level.. it have to be possible at larger distance.. an ICBM is just a huge rocket grenade with lots of modern sensors and electronics and huge engine and and multi nuclear warhead system.  But here is the thing.. it use electricity to operate.. without a battery and electronics it cannot work..  If you can induce somehow a very powerful magnetic field around an ICBM.. by law of physics that electricity will not work at all. The electrons flowing through circuits will simply behave is a different way..and even provoke a short circuit.. because magnetism generate an electric field. This is Basic Physics.. but to create practical weapons with that that operates at very large distance is not a small thing..

    it was Tesla who told ,that if people could control the magnetic field of earth ,they could split the earth in many parts. So anyone who could master electromagnetism could easily induce a lethal
    electric charge like a lighting at long distance..in any flying thing.. plane or missile..  and destroy it.. Cool    a weapon like that will have no problem in dealing with Massive waves of Missiles attacks .. they simply will stop working.. as soon cross an invisible magnetic shield..Something traditional air defenses cant do.

    Imagine Russian borders armed with just Counter Electronic field stations.. (instead of S-300s or S-400s or even S-500s )  that automatically shutdown anything flying across Russian borders.. and that can be disabled in time of peace or enable in time of war. that create a magnetic field around a large city.. ..without human interference.  No cruise missiles will pass ,neither ICBMs. unless they developed without electronics at all.. and using a totally different field like photons ,instead of electrons for transmission of energy.

    I really hope Russia success in this amazing field of physics. Such weapons are at a whole new level in technology , only seen in movies.. even if all that Russia defense industry manage with their electronics weapons is to interrupt communications between remote controlled weapons ,guided missiles ,it will be really useful to block the guidance of any long range weapon like cruise missiles and ICBM.. extremely useful . It will make Obsolete any weapons that is fired beyond visual range. and force battles to be done at visual distance. This will also end the advantage of stealth technology if missiles of a plane cannot hit anything beyond visual range.
    it will force Air combats to dogfights with cannons.. and wars fought at old school artillery like world war 1. Cool
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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:37 pm

    Over 30 Innovative Arms to Be Supplied to Russian Aerospace Force Soon

    The Russian Aerospace Defense Forces will be equipped with over 30 newly-designed arms in the coming years, Russian Defense Ministry said.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia marks Space Force Day annually on October 4. On December 1, 2011, the national Space Force became part of the Russian Aerospace Defense Force, a newly-established arm of the service.

    "More than 30 development projects on creation of systems and complexes of the new generation in the coming years are being implemented in order to reequip [Russian] Aerospace Forces' command and military units," the ministry's press service told RIA Novosti on Saturday.

    The press service also noted that command-measuring systems of the new generation are actively being developed for the Titov Main Test and Space Systems Control Centre, which controls Russian orbital group spacecraft, numbering 140 satellites, including 90 military.

    The Space Force emerged as an independent arm of the service in 2001 and was called upon to promptly notify supreme military-political leaders about missile attacks, to monitor outer space and the situation in separate missile-defense districts, to repel an enemy attack in and from outer space and to support peacetime and wartime operations of the Russian Armed Forces.

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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  max steel on Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:15 am

    Garry someone mentioned it that A-135 and A-235 are mot meant to intercept icbm's and only with S-500 in service Russia will become first ever country to intercept both ICBMs and Hypersonic gliders? I know american Ground Base Interceptors are a joke even proved also.

    So is it true currently russia is defenceless against icbms ?


    ICBMs travel at 7.2 km/s ? S-500 is meant to hit targets with speed upto 7.2 km/s ?

    Can an icbm travel with maximum velocity= earth's escape velocity of 11.2km/s ?
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:30 pm

    Garry someone mentioned it that A-135 and A-235 are mot meant to intercept icbm's

    They were based around Moscow... what were they supposed to intercept?

    Recon balloons?

    and only with S-500 in service Russia will become first ever country to intercept both ICBMs and Hypersonic gliders? I know american Ground Base Interceptors are a joke even proved also.

    The US had an ABM system around an ICBM field... it was open for a day and then closed.

    The only operational ABM system ever developed and deployed and upgraded and tested to this day is the system around Moscow.

    So is it true currently russia is defenceless against icbms ?

    Every "country" is defenceless against ICBMs. Moscow has protection from a limited attack.

    ICBMs travel at 7.2 km/s ? S-500 is meant to hit targets with speed upto 7.2 km/s ?

    Do you think that is an accident?

    Can an icbm travel with maximum velocity= earth's escape velocity of 11.2km/s ?

    An ICBM that achieves earths escape velocity leaves earths orbit and orbits the sun... ie it becomes a space craft, not an ICBM.


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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  max steel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:26 pm

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    Garry someone mentioned it that A-135 and A-235 are mot meant to intercept icbm's

    They were based around Moscow... what were they supposed to intercept?

    Recon balloons?

    See this thread : http://www.russiadefence.net/t3431p660-s-400-500-news-russian-strategic-air-defense

    Magnurm's coment : A-135 was completely replaced by A-235, and the A-135 was hardly a true deterrent against ICBM's (unlike the S-500), it was a point-blank defense to buy enough time to fire nukes back at NATO as well allowing the Soviet Politburo to hide in bunkers.


    and only with S-500 in service Russia will become first ever country to intercept both ICBMs and Hypersonic gliders? I know american Ground Base Interceptors are a joke even proved also.


    The US had an ABM system around an ICBM field... it was open for a day and then closed.

    The only operational ABM system ever developed and deployed and upgraded and tested to this day is the system around Moscow.

    So they don't have abms around any major city except Washington D.C.



    ICBMs travel at 7.2 km/s ? S-500 is meant to hit targets with speed upto 7.2 km/s ?


    Do you think that is an accident?

    What do you mean?

    7.2km/s is Mach 21.5 and ICBM's impact speed is upto 7km/s(US).


    But you said previously that Russia can intercept SLBM's . But i just checked Trident D5 terminal phase speed is 8,060 m/s which means 8.06 km/s. So by calculations SLBM interception is not yet feasible for any Russia defense system? or Russia plan is to intercept Trident SLBM's midway before entering the terminal phase? Explain please.


    Bulava's terminal phase speed , any idea?

    ( PS:- I'm taking limited nuclear exchange scenario in picture not MAD scenario )
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    Re: Russian Space Forces: News Thread

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:16 am

    Magnurm's coment : A-135 was completely replaced by A-235, and the A-135 was hardly a true deterrent against ICBM's (unlike the S-500), it was a point-blank defense to buy enough time to fire nukes back at NATO as well allowing the Soviet Politburo to hide in bunkers.

    So how exactly would the A-135 or A-235 actually give those on the ground more time... other than actually shooting down incoming ICBM warheads?

    ABMs don't work as a deterrent... suddenly the US wont wake up one morning and realise there are ABM missiles around Moscow and suddenly decide not to bother firing ICBMs as Moscow.


    So they don't have abms around any major city except Washington D.C.

    No... I am talking about the 1972 ABM treaty... the Soviets built and have maintained an ABM system around Moscow, while the US built one around one of their ICBM fields but closed it before it became fully operational.

    The US is working on an ABM system to protect all of the US, but that is based in Alaska... and is not really fully operational and would not be effective agaisnt a full nuclear strike from Russia.


    But you said previously that Russia can intercept SLBM's . But i just checked Trident D5 terminal phase speed is 8,060 m/s which means 8.06 km/s. So by calculations SLBM interception is not yet feasible for any Russia defense system? or Russia plan is to intercept Trident SLBM's midway before entering the terminal phase? Explain please.

    Let me put it this way... what do you think S-500 is for?

    Re entry speed is largely dependent on missile range, so a 500km range ballistic missile might come in at mach7 or mach 8. Missiles with flight ranges of 500km to 5,500km are classed as IRBMs so the US wont have any... based on this information the S-400 with its capacity to intercept targets flying at 4.8km/s should stop anything the US has except ICBMs and SLBMs... I say again... with a performance a level above what do you think the S-500 is being developed for?

    I will tell you.

    ICBMs... SLBMs... Satellites.

    When warheads reenter the atmosphere they slow down...


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