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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:39 am

    Do you have any more information on the 2500km range Kalibr (Klub)? I cannot seem to find information on it anywhere!

    The information you read about is all about Klub and therefore about export products.

    Kalibr is not for export.

    Very simply the Soviet Navy developed a 2,500km range cruise missile that NATO called Sampson and gave the ASCC code of SS-N-21 Granat (Not to be confused with the 7 ton Granit of the Kirov/Oscar/Kuznetsov vessels).

    250m CEP of Granat meant it was a nuke only.

    Enter new technology and new terminal guidance and navigation and you end up with Kh-101 and Kh-102 terminal seeker and long range guidance fitted to the old Granit and you get Klub.

    In the export family you have the subsonic all the way anti ship or land attack model with a range of about 290-300km as per international export restrictions. There is also the version with the pointy nose that flys 250km to the target at subsonic but launches a rocket powered payload the last 50-80km to penetrate the last line of defences of a ship.

    The Russian versions are not limited by export restrictions so their anti ship subsonic all the way missile could easily have the 2,500km range of Granat, while their subsonic land attack missile is called Kalibr and also has a 2,500km range and a very small CEP. the main question regards the high speed missile... my personal opinion is that the subsonic section has a range of 1,000 to 1,500km with the supersonic section reaching the same 50-80km at very low altitude.

    Russian domestic models are not revealed publicly and so information is occasionally slipped but confirmation is difficult.

    For a while Naval officials were talking about a 5,000km range cruise missile... the Kh-101 and Kh-102 air launched missiles used by the Russian air force have this range so an upgraded ship and sub launched model is not impossible.

    Plus, they are barely even on more than a couple US ships. The US is relying on the old Phalanx system instead.)

    The Soviets/Russians have always taken anti ship missiles more seriously than the US or Brits... their larger ships have 8 or more gatlings and the introduction of Kashtan was largely to defend against supersonic anti ship missiles.


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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Mike E on Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:25 pm

    Thanks for all the info, that is what I expected.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Viktor on Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:03 pm

    Nice article about Caliber missile system from Charly blog - nothing we did not know but still nice summary  thumbsup

    The accounts of the Russian missile system Caliber ...

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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  chicken on Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:43 am

    Viktor wrote:Nice article about Caliber missile system from Charly blog - nothing we did not know but still nice summary  thumbsup

    The accounts of the Russian missile system Caliber ...

    Hi new guy here, just some questions.

    What's the size difference between the 3M-54-1 and the 3M-14? Is the 3M-14 as big as Granat? Because one has a range of only 600km and the other has 2600km while they look almost the same. Also why not use 3M-14 as basis for an anti ship missile instead of the 3M-54-1? Is the seeker that different between the two as to merit a 2000km difference in range?

    Also why is there no Google Earth image for the Caspian Sea?
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:28 am

    Look at the top of that range chart and ponder on the meaning of the word Especulacion...



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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  chicken on Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:34 am

    GarryB wrote:Look at the top of that range chart and ponder on the meaning of the word Especulacion...


    Okay, then let me modify/rephrase my question.

    Why is there a size difference between the 3M-54-1 and the 3M-14? One has a range of 1600km (oficial not especulacion according to that blog) and the other has lesser range (300km exportacion/ 600km especulacion) while they look almost the same. Why not use 3M-14 as basis for an anti ship missile instead of the 3M-54-1?

    Is 3M-54-1 only for export? Which means his especulacion about the 600km range is useless.
    Or were they suppose to quadpack it in one launcher?

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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:05 am

    chicken wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Look at the top of that range chart and ponder on the meaning of the word Especulacion...


    Okay, then let me modify/rephrase my question.

    Why is there a size difference between the 3M-54-1 and the 3M-14? One has a range of 1600km (oficial not especulacion according to that blog) and the other has lesser range (300km exportacion/ 600km especulacion) while they look almost the same. Why not use 3M-14 as basis for an anti ship missile instead of the 3M-54-1?

    Is 3M-54-1 only for export? Which means his especulacion about the 600km range is useless.
    Or were they suppose to quadpack it in one launcher?

    You made a valid and interesting question.
    As far i have read the anti-ship missiles warhead and electronics devices have way more than land attack missiles.
    Because anti-ship missiles need to target mobile targets and they have to have powerful engines to do heavy turns and fly fast and also have decoys to fool enemy defenses.. land attack missiles do not need any of that since their targets are static and they can cover/hide while closing a target  behind  a mountain . So i suspect the difference in range had to do with the extra equipment of anti-ship missiles which is extra weight. The numbers i saw for the 3m-14 was 2600km range ,and 3m-54 anti ship up to 700km perhaps the ones with greater range are subsonic and fly most of the time at that speed and only accelerate in the last second of impact and have way less equipment inside than anti-ship missiles.

    edit..

    After looking at at wiki it looks is more an treaty thing the differences more than anything. the Kh-55 a soviet nuclear cruise missile with up 3,000km range some versions..  apparently Russia and USA have an agreement to limit the range of their anti-ship weapons no higher than 600km.  however in a real war such treaties will be mean nothing.., Nothing stop Russia once a war start to use ICBM nuclear armed missile to disable aircraft carriers convoys communications and radars. You blind a naval fleet first with a torpedo with a nuke that will explode away of the range of ship close gatlin gun defenses destroying its electronics and seriously damaging a warship and later finish them with a cruise missile or torpedo ,without any resistance.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:00 am

    Why is there a size difference between the 3M-54-1 and the 3M-14? One has a range of 1600km (oficial not especulacion according to that blog) and the other has lesser range (300km exportacion/ 600km especulacion) while they look almost the same. Why not use 3M-14 as basis for an anti ship missile instead of the 3M-54-1?

    I don't know for sure, but suspect the shorter range weapon is designed to hit ships and mobile targets, while the weapon with the longer range is a land attack weapon.

    The shorter range weapon needs onboard radar to find and attack its target and might also carry chaff and flares and disposable jammers to enable it to penetrate the target ships defences... and may have a larger explosive payload.

    Likely both missiles will have a domestic and export version with export models limited to 300kms or less.

    Another factor could be detection range... enemy land threats that are fixed could be targetted from a wider range of places whereas finding enemy ships that can be clearly IDed as enemy and can be reached by a subsonic missile before it leaves the area means shorter range shots make more sense anyway.


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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  chicken on Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:08 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Why is there a size difference between the 3M-54-1 and the 3M-14? One has a range of 1600km (oficial not especulacion according to that blog) and the other has lesser range (300km exportacion/ 600km especulacion) while they look almost the same. Why not use 3M-14 as basis for an anti ship missile instead of the 3M-54-1?

    I don't know for sure, but suspect the shorter range weapon is designed to hit ships and mobile targets, while the weapon with the longer range is a land attack weapon.

    The shorter range weapon needs onboard radar to find and attack its target and might also carry chaff and flares and disposable jammers to enable it to penetrate the target ships defences... and may have a larger explosive payload.

    Likely both missiles will have a domestic and export version with export models limited to 300kms or less.

    Another factor could be detection range... enemy land threats that are fixed could be targetted from a wider range of places whereas finding enemy ships that can be clearly IDed as enemy and can be reached by a subsonic missile before it leaves the area means shorter range shots make more sense anyway.

    At first I thought the 3m-14 was to be fired using 650mm torpedo tubes while 3M-54-1 can be fired with 533mm tubes. But other sites list both as can be fired using 533mm tubes with only 1 source listing the 3M-14 as 620mm and 3M-54-1 as 510mm, so I guess I'm wrong. Also I read somewhere that the 3m-54-1 uses the Kh-35's seeker, so probably the size is just for cost cutting? They're for low priority targets like transport ships? Cheap swarm missiles?
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:09 am

    Also I read somewhere that the 3m-54-1 uses the Kh-35's seeker, so probably the size is just for cost cutting? They're for low priority targets like transport ships? Cheap swarm missiles?

    The Kh-35 is reported to have a very sophisticated MMW radar seeker that has excellent range and discrimination that is very difficult to jam or fool.

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    `Sizzler' Missile

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:35 pm

    US Navy Lacks Plan to Defend Against `Sizzler' Missile  




    ``This is a very low-flying, fast missile,'' said retired Rear Admiral Eric McVadon, a former U.S. naval attache in Beijing. ``It won't be visible until it's quite close. By the time you detect it to the time it hits you is very short. You'd want to know your capabilities to handle this sort of missile.''

    The Navy's ship-borne Aegis system, deployed on cruisers and destroyers starting in the early 1980s, is designed to protect aircraft-carrier battle groups from missile attacks. But current and former officials say the Navy has no assurance Aegis, built by Lockheed Martin Corp., is capable of detecting, tracking and intercepting the Sizzler.

    ``This was an issue when I walked in the door in 2001,'' Thomas Christie, the Defense Department's top weapons-testing official from mid-2001 to early 2005, said in an interview.

    `A Major Issue'

    `` The Navy recognized this was a major issue, and over the years, I had continued promises they were going to fully fund development and production'' of missiles that could replicate the Sizzler to help develop a defense against it, Christie said. ``They haven't.''



    3M-54E Sizzler Anti-ship missile fired from coast.. (can also be launched
    from subs and warships ie.. Yasen Submarines or Newest Russian corvettes and frigates in service.)




    All the variants of Sizzler missile.



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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:35 am

    Pretty good summary on the Kalibr system....different versions and the vessels that are armed with them

    Russian Navy’s Long Arm: Kalibr missile family
    http://southfront.org/russian-navys-long-arm-kalibr-missile-family/


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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:31 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Pretty good summary on the Kalibr system....different versions and the vessels that are armed with them

    Russian Navy’s Long Arm: Kalibr missile family
    http://southfront.org/russian-navys-long-arm-kalibr-missile-family/

    I took particular notice of this sentance:

    "The Project 949AM submarines will carry up to 72 Kalibr-PL and Oniks missiles."

    It certainly sounds like 3x Klub/Kalibr/Oniks per Granit launch tube! Very Happy

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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:28 pm

    Those were Kalibr-NK cruise missiles.

    Caspian Flotilla simply demonstrated what those small missile ships, granted, accompanied by a larger corvette Dagestan, can do. The file on REAL distributed lethality is, finally, open. 4 ships, with total displacement of about half that of a single destroyer and the price tag even less than that, launched the salvo of 26 Kalibr cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea.Strategic ramifications of this are colossal, it was clear already before, but after that it became a reality of an immense power of modern missile weapons and those seemingly "unimpressive" platforms which carry them. After all, the range of Kalibr is up to 2500 kilometers and GLONASS' combat (not civilian) CEP (Circular Error Probable) is rumored to be about 0.4-0.6 meters, that is 1.5-2 feet.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:45 pm

    max steel wrote:Those were Kalibr-NK cruise missiles.

    Caspian Flotilla simply demonstrated what those small missile ships, granted, accompanied by a larger corvette Dagestan, can do. The file on REAL distributed lethality is, finally, open. 4 ships, with total displacement of about half that of a single destroyer and the price tag even less than that, launched the salvo of 26 Kalibr cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea.Strategic ramifications of this are colossal, it was clear already before, but after that it became a reality of an immense power of modern missile weapons and those seemingly "unimpressive" platforms which carry them. After all, the range of Kalibr is up to 2500 kilometers and GLONASS' combat (not civilian) CEP  (Circular Error Probable) is rumored to be about 0.4-0.6 meters, that is 1.5-2 feet.

    Ill repeat this for 12457th time, we do not know range of Kalibr at this point, 2.500km range was once claimed to be by commander of Caspitan Fleet however other than that no such info was ever released up to this date. Till they do not hit something 2.500km away ill stick with range of 1.500-1600km, we simply cant know unless some solid statement ever comes from Novator or Russian MoD. I am just being logical here.

    And CEP you stated is far, far from being real, one thing is accuracy of GLONASS, other thing is CEP of a cruise missile i know that some Russian generals stated 2-3m CEP for journalists but lets get real now, one thing is average person reading news on RT/Sputnik, one thing is person with extensive knowledge about military technology. Taurus has CEP of 10m claimed by desiegners, Tomahawk has TERCOM, DSMAC or GPS and has claimed CEP of 10m, Iskander M has claimed CEP of 8m... There is no chance whatsoever that Kalibr has CEP of 50cm, no missile has. Just saying.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:50 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    max steel wrote:Those were Kalibr-NK cruise missiles.

    Caspian Flotilla simply demonstrated what those small missile ships, granted, accompanied by a larger corvette Dagestan, can do. The file on REAL distributed lethality is, finally, open. 4 ships, with total displacement of about half that of a single destroyer and the price tag even less than that, launched the salvo of 26 Kalibr cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea.Strategic ramifications of this are colossal, it was clear already before, but after that it became a reality of an immense power of modern missile weapons and those seemingly "unimpressive" platforms which carry them. After all, the range of Kalibr is up to 2500 kilometers and GLONASS' combat (not civilian) CEP  (Circular Error Probable) is rumored to be about 0.4-0.6 meters, that is 1.5-2 feet.

    Ill repeat this for 12457th time, we do not know range of Kalibr at this point, 2.500km range was once claimed to be by commander of Caspitan Fleet however other than that no such info was ever released up to this date. Till they do not hit something 2.500km away ill stick with range of 1.500-1600km, we simply cant know unless some solid statement ever comes from Novator or Russian MoD. I am just being logical here.

    And CEP you stated is far, far from being real, one thing is accuracy of GLONASS, other thing is CEP of a cruise missile i know that some Russian generals stated 2-3m CEP for journalists but lets get real now, one thing is average person reading news on RT/Sputnik, one thing is person with extensive knowledge about military technology. Taurus has CEP of 10m claimed by desiegners, Tomahawk has TERCOM, DSMAC or GPS and has claimed CEP of 10m, Iskander M has claimed CEP of 8m... There is no chance whatsoever that Kalibr has CEP of 50cm, no missile has. Just saying.


    I quoted someone who has served in Soviet Union and Russian Navy and he writes for naval publications too . So , I'll stick to his point Cool
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    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:58 pm

    max steel wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    max steel wrote:Those were Kalibr-NK cruise missiles.

    Caspian Flotilla simply demonstrated what those small missile ships, granted, accompanied by a larger corvette Dagestan, can do. The file on REAL distributed lethality is, finally, open. 4 ships, with total displacement of about half that of a single destroyer and the price tag even less than that, launched the salvo of 26 Kalibr cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea.Strategic ramifications of this are colossal, it was clear already before, but after that it became a reality of an immense power of modern missile weapons and those seemingly "unimpressive" platforms which carry them. After all, the range of Kalibr is up to 2500 kilometers and GLONASS' combat (not civilian) CEP  (Circular Error Probable) is rumored to be about 0.4-0.6 meters, that is 1.5-2 feet.

    Ill repeat this for 12457th time, we do not know range of Kalibr at this point, 2.500km range was once claimed to be by commander of Caspitan Fleet however other than that no such info was ever released up to this date. Till they do not hit something 2.500km away ill stick with range of 1.500-1600km, we simply cant know unless some solid statement ever comes from Novator or Russian MoD. I am just being logical here.

    And CEP you stated is far, far from being real, one thing is accuracy of GLONASS, other thing is CEP of a cruise missile i know that some Russian generals stated 2-3m CEP for journalists but lets get real now, one thing is average person reading news on RT/Sputnik, one thing is person with extensive knowledge about military technology. Taurus has CEP of 10m claimed by desiegners, Tomahawk has TERCOM, DSMAC or GPS and has claimed CEP of 10m, Iskander M has claimed CEP of 8m... There is no chance whatsoever that Kalibr has CEP of 50cm, no missile has. Just saying.


    I quoted someone who has served in Soviet Union and Russian Navy and he writes for naval publications too . So , I'll stick to his point Cool

    And i worked in Air Defence, want me to solve quickly Almaz Antey troubles with S500 to hasten abit up the design? Fact that he worked in the Navy means nothing, you think that people in Navy know everything about systems they work on? "Press this to get that, press this to get that, this switch up for this" that is what people in Navy do and in every branche actually. Sorry to tell you this but that "someone" is feeding people with BS. Stick to whatever you feel like tho but whoever has balls to claim 50cm CEP on anything is a hoax.

    And yea id like name of this person.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:15 pm

    max steel wrote:I'm not disrespecting your service so don't get pissed off. Very Happy


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    M.S. Naval Engineering, specialization in Gyro-Inertial Navigational Complexes of the Naval Strategic Missile Systems based on projects. 667 B-BD (Delta I-II). Class of 1985 of one very famous naval academy in USSR. Practiced on subs of projects 613, 641B. Was pretty much on most nukes. Served on the surface ships, though, and then on the shore  his class alone (not the whole graduate class of 1985-that was several hundred people), out of roughly 30 graduated officers, produced two COs of subs. One of them SSK, the other--nuke.

    As i thought so, operator from 25 years ago Very Happy. Fact that he likes naval technology since its his job and life doesnt make him right, especially not in this case, even his estimate on Glonass precision is not legit, actually he is not even informed that military and civilian Glonass singlas have been merged into "military" one. Thing is that entering error on purpose in navigation signals stopped long ago, there is no difference between military and civilian GLONASS/GPS today (however it did exist, GPS even had scrambled signal with eror being added on purpose), except i suppose that most of the military devices have dual GPS/Glonass chips for increased accuracy and versatility in case one of the two is not available for whatever reason.

    Current official data on precision for Glonass:



    This probably improved slightly tho due to few new satelites Glonass-M being deployed since this table was made but not on magnitude to suddenly go to 50cm that is out of the question, not even remotelly possible, 10-15% improvement is to be expected but not everywhere naturally.

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    I am just saying that you shouldnt blindly belive what someone writes on BLOGSPOT for the love of God i just noticed its Blogspot... always do -20 points on being legit to people that write on Blogspot unless if you know person from other source or personally.

    No offense to the author and his service in the Navy (which i highly respect) but some things he simply cant know, nor does most of the Admirals for that matter, even active ones. Informations like this are mostly rough estimates, even factory documents often fabricate such data to increase orders or chance for being ordered, probably some guys in Novator could tell you right number but what for, its not bullet so its mandatory to hit 25x25cm square. I personally expected CEP to be somewhat like on Tomahawk, 8-11m.

    I am not saying you ment something bad with this quote, just saying guy is wrong on this one 100%.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:41 pm

    It can be possible that he is wrong on CEP of Kalibr but i think he is accurate with distance. For an average guy like me these CEP numbers are meaningless , I want missile to hit the target no matter what specifications it has. There is Kh-101 having 5k distance ( i can show you some stuff if you want to.)


    BLOGSPOT is merely a forum to write your stuff & experiences so I won't say his stuff is illegitimate.I guess you haven't read his articles at all, try it they are pretty genuine.

    How do you rate Medium " War is Boring " Blog? It's a crap blog with western fanboys writing on Russia's MOD except 1-2 genuine contributors .

    check few of their articles : Russian Navy is Dying , Russian Aircraft Carrier is a piece of crap etc.


    He's been teaching mathematics and science to candidates for US Naval Academy, Washington University in St. Louis, Seattle University and Massachusetts Maritime Academy for past 18 years. Authored a number of reports and papers, including accepted publication for US Naval Institute ( USNI).


    Follow him on Disqus his knowledge on US and Russian Navy is remarkable.You'll hardly find people especially on Internet sharing such valuable knowledge that too without military fanboyism bias. For eg. USN ASW skills have been eroding, i wasn't even aware about it and he posted it with proof meanwhile westerners and many others believe the myth of Russian subs being tracked by US blah blah.



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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:51 pm

    max steel wrote:It can be possible that he is wrong on CEP of Kalibr but i think he is accurate with distance. For an average guy like me these CEP numbers are meaningless , I want missile to hit the target no matter what specifications it has. There is Kh-101 having 5k distance ( i can show you some stuff if you want to.)


    BLOGSPOT is merely a forum to write your stuff & experiences so I won't say his stuff is illegitimate.I guess you haven't read his articles at all, try it they are pretty genuine.

    How do you rate Medium " War is Boring " Blog? It's a crap blog with western fanboys writing on Russia's MOD except 1-2 genuine contributors .

    check few of their articles : Russian Navy is Dying , Russian Aircraft Carrier is a piece of crap etc.


    He's been teaching mathematics and science to candidates for US Naval Academy, Washington University in St. Louis, Seattle University and Massachusetts Maritime Academy for past 18 years. Authored a number of reports and papers, including accepted publication for US Naval Institute ( USNI).


    Follow him on Disqus his knowledge on US and Russian Navy is remarkable.You'll hardly find people especially on Internet sharing such valuable knowledge that too without military fanboyism bias. For eg. USN ASW skills have been eroding, i wasn't even aware about it and he posted it with proof meanwhile westerners and many others believe the myth of Russian subs being tracked by US blah blah.




    And i was teaching discrete mathematics and OOP on local college, doesnt mean much. I am very well aware what Blogger is i coded myself some widgets for it back in time, however its not really right tool for stuff like this, its made for highschool guys to write about their day at school, small personal blogs, doesnt help credibility at all.

    I am aware of Izdeliye 111 Kh101/102 but their estimated CEP is also above 10m, and range is belived to be "over 3000km" how much we do not know, range is speculated to be 5000km, which we can assume is possible, also they should have greater accuracy compared to Kalibr coz they use IR imaging scene matching in terminal phase of the flight and not SatNav.

    War is Boring is utterly useless piece of crap which is written by imbeciles. Thats basically my opinion on it, i know about them, they started on Blogger too, i stumbled upon them there before current site was constructed.

    As i said again Kalibr range might be 2.500km for all i know, it could be 3000km, however there is no proof, no legit source for such number since Novator and MoD never gave any. Only source for Kalibr range that is being repeated over and over is from interview/statement by Commander of Caspian flotilla from few years ago during first drills that included launching one, i posted original source in Russian few days ago in some post cant find it now among shitload of bookmarks but if you care you can find it, and that is same source that this guy has. No other source ever existed, and we are both aware that he could have said whatever he wanted to journalist.

    "То, что и полторы тысячи километров для новой ракеты - далеко не предел, сегодня уже ясно. Хотя почему должно быть иначе? Ведь даже предок "Калибра", ракета "Гранат" еще в начале восьмидесятых летала на 3000 километров. И российские оружейники тридцать лет не топтались на месте. Впрочем, точные данные – военная тайна. Эксперты теперь лишь предполагают, что радиус действия "Калибра" может быть не меньше четырех тысяч километров, а значит, всего несколько катеров в Крыму и в Калининграде будут способны контролировать территории почти всей Европы и Ближнего Востока. Каспийская флотилия уже прикрывает и Ближний Восток, и значительную часть Азии, а наличие ракет "Калибр" на Тихоокеанском флоте позволит обеспечить безопасность восточных рубежей страны." - Here for an example they claim it might has range of 4000km, in 2 months it will be 6.000. They are also saying they have "military sources".

    Source: http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/293911

    And yeah i did read few...not sure what to say, not rly impressed generally speaking, most of it are well known informations if you know where to look. I prefer more solid sources, official ones as much as possible, you wont mind.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:17 pm

    I can understand your point of view being a veteran you already know much but for me his knowledge and stuff is fascinating !

    What is CEP ? Explain me with an example
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:36 pm

    max steel wrote:I can understand your point of view being a veteran you already know much but for me his knowledge and stuff is fascinating !

    What is CEP ? Explain me with an example

    I am not really veteran haha, i just served in the army and finished reserve officer school i was never really deployed anywhere to get right calling myself really a veteran, i am actually quite young Very Happy.

    CEP in acronyme for Circular Error Probable.

    "measure of a weapon system's precision. It is defined as the radius of a circle, centered at the target, whose boundary is expected to include the landing points of 50% of the rounds.", however CEP is not used only for military accuracy measurements, its mathematic/statistic category, used in economy, navigation, engineering in general. When you check your GPS navigation in car it will probably somewhere have estimated accuracy, which will say for an example 3-4m CEP.



    For guys that like shooting "CEP is defined as the radius of a circle containing the point-of-impact (POI) for 50% of shots." Pure statistic. You fire 100 times, and you then use math to get what is the r of a circle in which 50 shots are placed.

    If you want some literature enjoy:

    http://www.novatel.com/assets/Documents/Bulletins/apn029.pdf
    http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a199190.pdf
    http://www.igage.com/mp/GPSAccuracy.htm
    http://www.statshooting.com/papers/measuring-cep-mcmillan2008.pdf
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:10 pm

    Militarov wrote:2.500km range was once claimed to be by commander of Caspitan Fleet

    You'd think he would know the range of the missiles arming his ships...I mean come on pirat


    We know for sure the Kalibr range is at least 1500km...Shoigu when reporting to Putin about the launch said the missiles have a greater range than 1500km
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:21 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Militarov wrote:2.500km range was once claimed to be by commander of Caspitan Fleet

    You'd think he would know the range of the missiles arming his ships...I mean come on pirat


    We know for sure the Kalibr range is at least 1500km...Shoigu when reporting to Putin about the launch said the missiles have a greater range than 1500km



    I never said he does not know their range, question is did he say the truth? It would not affect him in any to overestimate/underestimate their range in any of the two directions. Why is going to say he is is lying Very Happy? Novator? Russian MoD? And that wouldnt be first or last time that military comander lies about such things for pure publicity or simply drops "a bite" for "enemy".

    Greater yes, how much xD? 1600, 2000, 2500, 3000? Thats what we do not know, area for speculations is huge and i prefer to have some solid source rather than just an inteview.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:41 pm

    I guess we won't know for sure until we see the producers documents.....one more source, from exactly a year ago....pretty reliable IMO

    Дело в том, что ракетный корабль ”Дагестан” стал первым кораблем в составе ВМФ России вооруженным новейшим ракетным комплексом ”Калибр-НК” предназначенным для нанесения ракетных ударов по морским целям на дистанции до 350 км и по береговым до 2600 км!

    Frigate "Dagestan" (in 2012) was the first warship in the VMF to be armed with the new missile system Kalibr-NK that can engage sea targets at a distance of 350km and land targets up to a distance of 2600km

    http://eurasian-defence.ru/?q=node/31968

    By Artem Balabin author of  "We Bear the Flag of St Andrew" and consultant on Naval matters
    http://eurasian-defence.ru/node/26653

    BTW, nice pic of the missile from the link


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