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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:25 pm

    Long and very interesting article on the D-1000 Zumwalt pointing out what looks to be a wasted opportunity. But no doubt good for MIC profits overall.

    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/5343/the-navys-new-stealth-destroyer-has-watered-down-capabilities-questionable-future

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:15 pm

    The US Navy commissioned an elaborate warship, with massive guns designed to hit targets 80 miles away, but now must scrap its current weapons plans because the ammunition alone is estimated to cost at least $800,000 per shot.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201611071047162702-us-navy-warships-expensive-ammo/


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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:49 pm

    Ooh, how the mighty have fallen. Rolling Eyes

    $4.4 Billion USS Zumwalt Destroyer Towed From Panama Canal After Breakdown

    While passing through the lower half of the Panama Canal on Monday evening, a new Zumwalt-class destroyer broke down and had to be taken under tow to a berth, according to the US Third Navy Fleet in San Diego

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201611221047730510-zumwalt-towed-after-engineering-issues/

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  Militarov on Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:56 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Ooh, how the mighty have fallen.  Rolling Eyes

    $4.4 Billion USS Zumwalt Destroyer Towed From Panama Canal After Breakdown

    While passing through the lower half of the Panama Canal on Monday evening, a new Zumwalt-class destroyer broke down and had to be taken under tow to a berth, according to the US Third Navy Fleet in San Diego

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201611221047730510-zumwalt-towed-after-engineering-issues/

    Allegedly coolant radiators malfunctioned and made that all electric bullshit to halt working due to overheating.

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:25 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Ooh, how the mighty have fallen.  Rolling Eyes

    $4.4 Billion USS Zumwalt Destroyer Towed From Panama Canal After Breakdown

    While passing through the lower half of the Panama Canal on Monday evening, a new Zumwalt-class destroyer broke down and had to be taken under tow to a berth, according to the US Third Navy Fleet in San Diego

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201611221047730510-zumwalt-towed-after-engineering-issues/

    Hardly surprising. The ship is just entering service. They are ironing out all these issues.
    Unlike the Biscay incident of the Kuz in 2012.

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:17 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Ooh, how the mighty have fallen.  Rolling Eyes

    $4.4 Billion USS Zumwalt Destroyer Towed From Panama Canal After Breakdown

    While passing through the lower half of the Panama Canal on Monday evening, a new Zumwalt-class destroyer broke down and had to be taken under tow to a berth, according to the US Third Navy Fleet in San Diego

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201611221047730510-zumwalt-towed-after-engineering-issues/

    Hardly surprising. The ship is just entering service. They are ironing out all these issues.
    Unlike the Biscay incident of the Kuz in 2012.

    Yes, because a 20+ year old Soviet aircraft carrying-cruiser is clearly comparable to a $7Bil top of the line next generation stealth Uber destroyer.

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:21 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Ooh, how the mighty have fallen.  Rolling Eyes

    $4.4 Billion USS Zumwalt Destroyer Towed From Panama Canal After Breakdown

    While passing through the lower half of the Panama Canal on Monday evening, a new Zumwalt-class destroyer broke down and had to be taken under tow to a berth, according to the US Third Navy Fleet in San Diego

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201611221047730510-zumwalt-towed-after-engineering-issues/

    Allegedly coolant radiators malfunctioned and made that all electric bullshit to halt working due to overheating.

    I've heard it was a drive shaft failure, which led to it crashing into the Panama wall.

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  OminousSpudd on Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:26 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Ooh, how the mighty have fallen.  Rolling Eyes

    $4.4 Billion USS Zumwalt Destroyer Towed From Panama Canal After Breakdown

    While passing through the lower half of the Panama Canal on Monday evening, a new Zumwalt-class destroyer broke down and had to be taken under tow to a berth, according to the US Third Navy Fleet in San Diego

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201611221047730510-zumwalt-towed-after-engineering-issues/

    Allegedly coolant radiators malfunctioned and made that all electric bullshit to halt working due to overheating.

    I've heard it was a drive shaft failure, which led to it crashing into the Panama wall.
    Fucking driveshaft failure. "Ironing out the kinks." - says KiloGolf.

    Next up; justifying the F-35, tune in this time tomorrow. lol1

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  Militarov on Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:55 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Ooh, how the mighty have fallen.  Rolling Eyes

    $4.4 Billion USS Zumwalt Destroyer Towed From Panama Canal After Breakdown

    While passing through the lower half of the Panama Canal on Monday evening, a new Zumwalt-class destroyer broke down and had to be taken under tow to a berth, according to the US Third Navy Fleet in San Diego

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201611221047730510-zumwalt-towed-after-engineering-issues/

    Allegedly coolant radiators malfunctioned and made that all electric bullshit to halt working due to overheating.

    I've heard it was a drive shaft failure, which led to it crashing into the Panama wall.

    It lost power due to lack of cooling, so it ended up being on only auxilary power apparently, and then drifted into side of the Ch. No electricity, no propulsion, thats how it works on this ship.

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:56 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Ooh, how the mighty have fallen.  Rolling Eyes

    $4.4 Billion USS Zumwalt Destroyer Towed From Panama Canal After Breakdown

    While passing through the lower half of the Panama Canal on Monday evening, a new Zumwalt-class destroyer broke down and had to be taken under tow to a berth, according to the US Third Navy Fleet in San Diego

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201611221047730510-zumwalt-towed-after-engineering-issues/

    Hardly surprising. The ship is just entering service. They are ironing out all these issues.
    Unlike the Biscay incident of the Kuz in 2012.

    Yes, because a 20+ year old Soviet aircraft carrying-cruiser is clearly comparable to a $7Bil top of the line next generation stealth Uber destroyer.

    Well no. Things didn't exactly progress smoothly with the Gorshkov refit/update project for India.
    Engineering projects with challenging targets face such issues at early stage, A380 and so on.

    The "how the mighty have fallen" comment is unjustified.

    OminousSpudd wrote:

    Next up; justifying the F-35, tune in this time tomorrow. lol1

    Or maybe the retardation about blasting anything non Russian and particularly American should stop.
    Calling out fanboyism with facts always works.

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  OminousSpudd on Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:29 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:

    Next up; justifying the F-35, tune in this time tomorrow. lol1

    Or maybe the retardation about blasting anything non Russian and particularly American should stop.
    Calling out fanboyism with facts always works.
    Really? All I've seen is you replacing "fanboyism" with cherry picked arguments. As for "facts", I'm not quite sure how to judge that, given you do not cite a thing. Saying something does not make it so.

    "Blasting anything non-Russian" based on?

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:58 am

    Hardly surprising. The ship is just entering service. They are ironing out all these issues.
    Unlike the Biscay incident of the Kuz in 2012.

    But hang on... the US Navy knows everything and all must copy them to be considered capable of naval operations... it is funny because in this case they have learned from their masters... the British Navy... don't their destroyers overheat in the warm waters of the Med and have hissy fits too?


    Well no. Things didn't exactly progress smoothly with the Gorshkov refit/update project for India.

    Funny you mention that because the issues with the Gorshkov update show what happens when a competent MIC refits a vessel and notices that the wiring and pipes are substandard and there is an issue with heat insulation on the engines AND FIX THEM BEFORE HANDING THE SHIP OVER TO THE CUSTOMER...


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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:54 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Ooh, how the mighty have fallen.  Rolling Eyes

    $4.4 Billion USS Zumwalt Destroyer Towed From Panama Canal After Breakdown

    While passing through the lower half of the Panama Canal on Monday evening, a new Zumwalt-class destroyer broke down and had to be taken under tow to a berth, according to the US Third Navy Fleet in San Diego

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201611221047730510-zumwalt-towed-after-engineering-issues/

    Hardly surprising. The ship is just entering service. They are ironing out all these issues.
    Unlike the Biscay incident of the Kuz in 2012.

    Yes, because a 20+ year old Soviet aircraft carrying-cruiser is clearly comparable to a $7Bil top of the line next generation stealth Uber destroyer.

    Well no. Things didn't exactly progress smoothly with the Gorshkov refit/update project for India.
    Engineering projects with challenging targets face such issues at early stage, A380 and so on.

    The "how the mighty have fallen" comment is unjustified.

    Sure, sure, because a ship that hasn't even been commissioned yet is clearly so very comparable to the $7bill stealth Uber destroyer that passed all those "rigorous trails".
    I ain't saying it not teething issues, but for that kinda money along with it being built by the ooh so advanced U.S shipbuilders i was expecting more.

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:49 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Ooh, how the mighty have fallen.  Rolling Eyes

    $4.4 Billion USS Zumwalt Destroyer Towed From Panama Canal After Breakdown

    While passing through the lower half of the Panama Canal on Monday evening, a new Zumwalt-class destroyer broke down and had to be taken under tow to a berth, according to the US Third Navy Fleet in San Diego

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201611221047730510-zumwalt-towed-after-engineering-issues/

    Hardly surprising. The ship is just entering service. They are ironing out all these issues.
    Unlike the Biscay incident of the Kuz in 2012.

    Yes, because a 20+ year old Soviet aircraft carrying-cruiser is clearly comparable to a $7Bil top of the line next generation stealth Uber destroyer.

    Well no. Things didn't exactly progress smoothly with the Gorshkov refit/update project for India.
    Engineering projects with challenging targets face such issues at early stage, A380 and so on.

    The "how the mighty have fallen" comment is unjustified.

    Sure, sure, because a ship that hasn't even been commissioned yet is clearly so very comparable to the $7bill stealth Uber destroyer that passed all those "rigorous trails".
    I ain't saying it not teething issues, but for that kinda money along with it being built by the ooh so advanced U.S shipbuilders i was expecting more.

    Zum is still in IOC status, its expected to reach FOC in 2018. Also there are so many new technologies used on this project thats its not realistic expecting it to have no issues. Its

    On other hand we have also issues with completely conventional far smaller ships in Russia, issues of far more severe nature for that matter.

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:53 pm

    So official statement goes as this:

    "Sea water entered two of the four bearings that connect the port and starboard electrical motors to the drive shafts – in prevention both propeller shafts were locked, forcing tugs to help Zumwalt complete its transit. According to USNI, a service official confirmed this latest problem is similar to one that stopped the ship in September – in that case, the Navy said sailors found "a seawater leak in the propulsion motor drive lube oil auxiliary system for one of the ship's shafts."

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:04 pm

    Militarov wrote:Zum is still in IOC status, its expected to reach FOC in 2018. Also there are so many new technologies used on this project thats its not realistic expecting it to have no issues. Its

    On other hand we have also issues with completely conventional far smaller ships in Russia, issues of far more severe nature for that matter.

    So a similar story to the F-35.

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:01 pm

    Militarov wrote:So official statement goes as this:

    "Sea water entered two of the four bearings that connect the port and starboard electrical motors to the drive shafts – in prevention both propeller shafts were locked, forcing tugs to help Zumwalt complete its transit. According to USNI, a service official confirmed this latest problem is similar to one that stopped the ship in September – in that case, the Navy said sailors found "a seawater leak in the propulsion motor drive lube oil auxiliary system for one of the ship's shafts."
    Interesting. Sounds perhaps to be a bit more deep seated then they anticipated. 3rd time's the charm as they say.

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    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:15 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Zum is still in IOC status, its expected to reach FOC in 2018. Also there are so many new technologies used on this project thats its not realistic expecting it to have no issues.

    On other hand we have also issues with completely conventional far smaller ships in Russia, issues of far more severe nature for that matter.

    So a similar story to the F-35.

    Something like it yeah. Its still in that stage "its done but we are ironing stuff out".

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    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:18 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    Militarov wrote:So official statement goes as this:

    "Sea water entered two of the four bearings that connect the port and starboard electrical motors to the drive shafts – in prevention both propeller shafts were locked, forcing tugs to help Zumwalt complete its transit. According to USNI, a service official confirmed this latest problem is similar to one that stopped the ship in September – in that case, the Navy said sailors found "a seawater leak in the propulsion motor drive lube oil auxiliary system for one of the ship's shafts."
    Interesting. Sounds perhaps to be a bit more deep seated then they anticipated. 3rd time's the charm as they say.

    Seems like its an issue with sealants or bearings have some defects, not sure. However they said issue will be fixed permanently in 10 days once it reaches port.

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    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:02 am

    Militarov wrote:Zum is still in IOC status, its expected to reach FOC in 2018. Also there are so many new technologies used on this project thats its not realistic expecting it to have no issues.

    This.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:31 am

    Ohh yeah, and the Sigma-M system fitted to all Russian vessels including Corvettes and Frigates that gives them the performance of AEGIS class cruisers in terms of communication and datasharing and new weapons system is old technology... not to mention needing new engine suppliers half way through production...

    Yeah... I guess it is like Kosovo... a unique situation that can't be compared with any other situation... when western systems fail it is because they are leading edge... when Russian systems fail it is because they don't know what they are doing and the management of MiG should all be fired... :rolleyes:


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    Post  Militarov on Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:Ohh yeah, and the Sigma-M system fitted to all Russian vessels including Corvettes and Frigates that gives them the performance of AEGIS class cruisers in terms of communication and datasharing and new weapons system is old technology... not to mention needing new engine suppliers half way through production...

    Yeah... I guess it is like Kosovo... a unique situation that can't be compared with any other situation... when western systems fail it is because they are leading edge... when Russian systems fail it is because they don't know what they are doing and the management of MiG should all be fired...  :rolleyes:

    That is huge overestimation of what Sigma BMS is, Sigma is there to compete with systems like Saab 9LV for an example and similar naval BMS systems, AEGIS is still and will be for some time at least class of its own.


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    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:03 am

    That is huge overestimation of what Sigma BMS is, Sigma is there to compete with systems like Saab 9LV for an example and similar naval BMS systems, AEGIS is still and will be for some time at least class of its own.

    Actually I would say the opposite... AEGIS is only for AEGIS class cruisers.

    Sigma is a C4IR system for the entire Russian fleet including subs, ships, aircraft, and satellites to share a combined picture of space, the air picture, the sea surface picture and the undersea picture...

    If all their ships are carrying UKSK launchers and S-400 variant Redut SAM launchers with the data sharing system Sigma allowing them to share target data I would say this will make the Russian navy fairly unique...

    Might not be perfect but it is certainly a good start with lots of potential... especially if it can be linked to the land based version and the air and space version for the Aerospace forces.


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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:30 pm

    GarryB wrote:Yeah... I guess it is like Kosovo... a unique situation that can't be compared with any other situation... when western systems fail it is because they are leading edge... when Russian systems fail it is because they don't know what they are doing and the management of MiG should all be fired...  :rolleyes:

    Nobody said that. The ongoing Kuz/MiG fiasco is a combination of planning, doctrinal and design failures. Russians need to iron out these issues and it will take tremendous effort and time. They also need to plan ahead, design new carrier, adapt their aircraft designs to it and streamline their carrier ops in expeditionary missions. It's a major task, currently they're way over their heads. But that's OK, nobody's pointing fingers expecting them to reach USN or French standards. At least nobody should.

    PS. The Brits have thoroughly screwed themselves in that regard and they too will need a good decade (or more) to get back in the game. At least they are getting new carriers and planes.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:34 am

    They also need to plan ahead, design new carrier, adapt their aircraft designs to it and streamline their carrier ops in expeditionary missions. It's a major task, currently they're way over their heads. But that's OK, nobody's pointing fingers expecting them to reach USN or French standards. At least nobody should.

    You make it sound like there is a single fixed development path and that all must follow the same path the USN and france have already gone down.

    Let you in on a secret... they are both colonial powers with very specific needs.

    Russia does not need to go there and likely wont.

    The introduction of multirole aircraft to their naval air fleet will make them more flexible but they will not become Nimitz type strike carriers... Russia simply has no use for such vessels.

    For defending a group of ships decent fighter/interceptors are what they need and the naval version of PAK FA will fill that role well enough.


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