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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:53 am

    This collision is starting to look really strange. This is the link to the container vessel's track from the main link.



    http://www.vesselofinterest.com/2017/06/mapping-acx-crystals-collision-with-uss.html

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    video footage, what a mess

    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20170617_11/

    She is now safe in port and they are out looking for seven missing crew members

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    It looks as the container ship may have circled after the collision rather than before so I have changed my original comment. The rules of the sea say that the US ship should have yielded to the container ship as it was on its starboard. The destroyer seems to have only completed a $21M refurb in Feb and the Captain only took over last month. He may be in hospital atm but this must be it for him, nothing bigger than a rowing boat in the future.

    Another link http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/11628/destroyer-uss-fitzgerald-badly-damaged-after-collision-with-merchant-vessel

    This is from that link, note the sailors with heads in hands. In a photo of the container ship lower down it looks as if the impact might have bent the shaft of its anchor.



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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:48 pm

    This failed pariah state can't stop causing problems around the globe.

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:33 pm

    From an updated previous link.

    This seems plausible, my highlight


    From a discussion with JJ I think the UTC/JST conversion may have been messed up, or the reported time by the US Navy and Japanese Coast Guard was not representative of the time of the collision, only when the collision was reported. I doubt anyone in the US military would mix up time zones, since they're very accurate regarding time. The US Navy press release reports the incident happened at 2:30am "LOCAL TIME", which is Japan Standard Time or JST, and which is UTC+9. The AIS data I scraped from MarineTraffic.com shows accurate to-the-second (or less) data, so that is what I can rely on for accuracy. Could the ACX Crystal have hit the USS Fitzgerald at full speed just before 16:30Z, rather than ~17:30Z as the US Navy said in their press release? I think so. With that in mind, watch the video again. Did the ACX Crystal strike the USS Fitzgerald while on a 70 degree course before 16:30Z, then while on autopilot, correct itself after the USS Fitzgerald was knocked free? If so, it took another hour for the crew to figure out what happened, turn the ACX Crystal around, and return to the USS Fitzgerald - it's unclear if they even knew what they struck. JJ suggested maybe the time the accident was called in was ~2:30am JST, but the strike had happened earlier. This makes significant sense to me, and explains the "U turn" they performed, especially if you realize the impact was one hour earlier.

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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:09 am

    But hang on... the US Navy is the number one navy in the world and would have spotted that ship before it left port... they must have wanted to collide with it...


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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:But hang on... the US Navy is the number one navy in the world and would have spotted that ship before it left port... they must have wanted to collide with it...

    There can not be many greater ignominies for a USN (or indeed any Navy) ship's Captain than being T-boned on the starboard side by a large commercial ship.

    The Captain had only been that for a month or so following a $21M refit completed in February. So not only has he made himself and his ship the laughing stock of the world's navies but he has probably sent the latest updated AB Aegis destroyer to scrap. Kim must be laughing his head off in NK.

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    Now confirmed, the 7 missing sailors were still onboard in the flooded areas. None survived. Very sad. They should consider bringing back keelhauling.
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    Re: US Navy and Naval Aircraft: News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:44 am

    The loss of seven people is no laughing matter of course... but you kinda get the feeling it might have been the case the captain believed US hype and thought international rules don't apply when you are in charge of a ship from the worlds most powerful navy and the other guy would give way.

    I remember seeing a video... I can't remember the product but it was a US carrier telling a radio contact to get out of their way because they were the US navy... the radio contact replied they were a lighthouse and that it was their call as to whether they change course or not...


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