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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:09 am

    But hang on... the US Navy is the number one navy in the world and would have spotted that ship before it left port... they must have wanted to collide with it...
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:But hang on... the US Navy is the number one navy in the world and would have spotted that ship before it left port... they must have wanted to collide with it...

    There can not be many greater ignominies for a USN (or indeed any Navy) ship's Captain than being T-boned on the starboard side by a large commercial ship.

    The Captain had only been that for a month or so following a $21M refit completed in February. So not only has he made himself and his ship the laughing stock of the world's navies but he has probably sent the latest updated AB Aegis destroyer to scrap. Kim must be laughing his head off in NK.

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    Now confirmed, the 7 missing sailors were still onboard in the flooded areas. None survived. Very sad. They should consider bringing back keelhauling.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:44 am

    The loss of seven people is no laughing matter of course... but you kinda get the feeling it might have been the case the captain believed US hype and thought international rules don't apply when you are in charge of a ship from the worlds most powerful navy and the other guy would give way.

    I remember seeing a video... I can't remember the product but it was a US carrier telling a radio contact to get out of their way because they were the US navy... the radio contact replied they were a lighthouse and that it was their call as to whether they change course or not...
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:12 pm

    WASHINGTON — The collision off Japan that claimed the lives of seven sailors on the U.S. Navy destroyer Fitzgerald punched a hole large enough to drive a tractor trailer through, leaving the service with the considerable task of putting the crippled destroyer back together again.

    The bulbous bow of the ACX Crystal left a 12x17-foot hole beneath the waterline, per three Navy sources who spoke on background, an enormous breach that rapidly flooded three spaces. Sailors had about a minute to evacuate their berthing, and several were awoken by salt water rushing into their rack, per two sources familiar with the details of the accident said

    There is no indication that the ship sounded a collision alarm, which would have alerted sleeping crew members to the looming catastrophe, prior to the collision. Those details, however, are the subject of an ongoing Navy investigation.

    The collision also significantly damaged the ship's superstructure and SPY-1 radar array on its starboard side, and flooded out a main engineering space and radio central, rendering millions of dollars of expensive gear and equipment useless.


    Big article at http://www.defensenews.com/articles/us-clears-massive-arms-deal-for-taiwan
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:31 pm

    How was this even possible, it's a bloody warship, with sensors and scanners up the wazu, and you're telling me a commercial vessel did this, The F?Shocked
    Was there a Russian SU-24 in in the area or something?Suspect
    WTF, not even a collision alarm, if you can't even detected a flipin ship heading towards you, what the hell are you gonna do when a frigin Supersonic missile comes at you? Shocked
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    Post  nomadski on Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:40 pm

    I just thought that , bumping into ships and subs and planes , may be a good way of finding out their capability . But not with metal ship ( as Gary said death of sailor is no joke . They form the most progressive wing of most armed forces ) . More like wooden plane or boat or plastic ( different materials with sound absorbing or reflective coatings ) fishing nets . Maybe a Burkina faso flagged wooden fishing boat , closing on yank aircraft carrier ?

    What was RCS of fishing boat ? What was RCS of cruise missile ? What noise from engine of boat ? What noise from torpedo ? When was warning given to boat or plane to stay away ! Sends shivers down my spine !

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    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:32 pm

    Lockheed Martin Wins Over $93Mln to Install AEGIS Defense Systems on Warships

    Lockheed Martin won more than $93 million to manufacture and install upgraded integrated AEGIS air and missile defense systems aboard US Navy destroyers and cruisers, according to the Pentagon.

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — Lockheed Martin won more than $93 million to manufacture and install upgraded integrated AEGIS air and missile defense systems aboard US Navy destroyers and cruisers, the US Department of Defense said in a press release.

    "Lockheed Martin, Rotary and Mission Systems, Moorestown, New Jersey, is being awarded a $93,492,386 modification to a previously awarded contract to exercise options for DDG 116-118 AEGIS follow-on support services," the release explained on Friday. "The contract provides for the completion of the development and fielding of the AEGIS Baseline 9 AEGIS Weapon System and integrated AEGIS Combat System on the remaining AEGIS Technical Insertion (TI) 12 configured destroyers as well as TI 12 and TI 08 configured cruisers."

    The Aegis air and missile defense system is deployed on board approximately 84 navy warships. Baseline 9 and Technical Insertion refers to software and system upgrades to the weapon that improves its ability to track targets with near-real time data from satellites and aircraft.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201707221055777957-lockheed-martin-aegis-warships/
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:16 am

    Gents, it looks like the U.S navy is finally going to implement rail guns on there ships, what's Russia's response?
    Do they even need one with Zircon on the way?

    On a further note, how does one counter a Rail gun?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:09 pm

    Just a very high speed bullet... likely the best counter to the first generation of rail gun is to reveal actual performance results and suppress laughter...

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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:57 pm

    That didn't take long.

    YOKOSUKA, Japan - The commanding officer, executive officer and command master chief of the guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) were relieved of their duties by Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin, Commander, Seventh Fleet, on Aug. 18. Additionally, a number of officer and enlisted watch standers were held accountable. The determinations were made following a thorough review of the facts and circumstances leading up to the June 17 collision between Fitzgerald and the merchant vessel ACX Crystal.

    The collision was avoidable and both ships demonstrated poor seamanship. Within Fitzgerald, flawed watch stander teamwork and inadequate leadership contributed to the collision that claimed the lives of seven Fitzgerald Sailors, injured three more, and damaged both ships.

    With absolute accountability for the safe navigation of Fitzgerald, Cmdr. Bryce Benson was relieved due to a loss of confidence in his ability to lead. He had previously been temporarily relieved of his duties due to medical reasons from injuries sustained during the collision. Cmdr. Benson is being reassigned to Naval District Washington at the Washington Navy Yard, where he will have access to medical facilities in the area.

    Inadequate leadership by the executive officer, Cmdr. Sean Babbitt, and command master chief, Master Chief Petty Officer Brice Baldwin, contributed to the lack of watch stander preparedness and readiness that was evident in the events leading up to the collision.

    Several junior officers were relieved of their duties due to poor seamanship and flawed teamwork as bridge and combat information center watch standers. Additional administrative actions were taken against members of both watch teams.




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    Post  Guest on Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:36 am

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    Hole patched for start and reinforced with construction steel profiles.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:42 am

    Militarov wrote:

    Hole patched for start and reinforced with construction steel profiles.
    They have done enough so that they can get her back to the US for deep investigation and repair if possible.

    Definitely a big blot, Grade 1 ignominy, on the reputation of the USN. Multiple levels of incompetence. It will take a long time for them to live this down.
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    Post  Guest on Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:16 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Hole patched for start and reinforced with construction steel profiles.
    They have done enough so that they can get her back to the US for deep investigation and repair if possible.

    Definitely a big blot, Grade 1 ignominy, on the reputation of the USN. Multiple levels of incompetence. It will take a long time for them to live this down.

    Yes, it was just a quick patching, general repairs will be performed later. Damage wasnt that huge as some originally reported, and ship wasnt in danger, however lives were lost and repairs will cost quite a penny considering hole isnt that tiny Very Happy

    From what i read seems it was mostly fuckup by XO.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:07 am

    https://www.rt.com/usa/400332-destroyer-collides-vessel-singapore/
    5 injured, 10 missing after US destroyer USS John S McCain collides with oil tanker off Singapore
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    Those commercial shipping lanes have no stop lights.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:41 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    5 injured, 10 missing after US destroyer USS John S McCain collides with oil tanker off Singapore

    Those commercial shipping lanes have no stop lights.
    How appropriate for it to be the ship with that name.

    More USN laughing stock ammo.
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    Post  Godric on Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:00 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:
    5 injured, 10 missing after US destroyer USS John S McCain collides with oil tanker off Singapore

    Those commercial shipping lanes have no stop lights.
    How appropriate for it to be the ship with that name.

    More USN laughing stock ammo.

    yeah and after annoying the Chinese Karma is a bitch

    will they still have the gall to call other navies unprofessional ... yet again they don't do hypocrisy
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:35 pm


    Well this is getting weird.

    Although given the name of this ship, it might be cursed or something...
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:13 pm

    This is the follow-up report by Commander Carrier Strike Group FIVE on the USS Fitzgerald released after the initial report (the second post below) by the Commander Sixth Fleet.

    Whilst the report is very positive about the actions of the crew post impact, I draw your attention to the last sentence of para 1.

    "the injuries ............. and deaths........... occurred in the line of duty and not due to misconduct."

    http://www.secnav.navy.mil/foia/readingroom/HotTopics/USS%20Fitzgerald/Supplemental%20Inquiry%20USS%20Fitzgerald.pdf

    This came after this press release, my highlight.

    YOKOSUKA, Japan - The commanding officer, executive officer and command master chief of the guided-missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) were relieved of their duties by Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin, Commander, Seventh Fleet, on Aug. 18. Additionally, a number of officer and enlisted watch standers were held accountable. The determinations were made following a thorough review of the facts and circumstances leading up to the June 17 collision between Fitzgerald and the merchant vessel ACX Crystal.

    The collision was avoidable and both ships demonstrated poor seamanship. Within Fitzgerald, flawed watch stander teamwork and inadequate leadership contributed to the collision that claimed the lives of seven Fitzgerald Sailors, injured three more, and damaged both ships.


    With absolute accountability for the safe navigation of Fitzgerald, Cmdr. Bryce Benson was relieved due to a loss of confidence in his ability to lead. He had previously been temporarily relieved of his duties due to medical reasons from injuries sustained during the collision. Cmdr. Benson is being reassigned to Naval District Washington at the Washington Navy Yard, where he will have access to medical facilities in the area.

    Inadequate leadership by the executive officer, Cmdr. Sean Babbitt, and command master chief, Master Chief Petty Officer Brice Baldwin, contributed to the lack of watch stander preparedness and readiness that was evident in the events leading up to the collision.

    Several junior officers were relieved of their duties due to poor seamanship and flawed teamwork as bridge and combat information center watch standers. Additional administrative actions were taken against members of both watch teams.


    http://www.cpf.navy.mil/news.aspx/130183

    Whilst there will undoubtedly be career changes in the background, publicaly the sad fact is that the USN seems to regard death and injury to its sailors due, in its own words,  to "poor seamanship", "inadequate leadership" and "flawed teamwork" as being "in the line of duty" and not "misconduct".

    Now we have another collision, another whitewash?


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    Post  ATLASCUB on Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:13 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Well this is getting weird.

    Although given the name of this ship, it might be cursed or something...

    Tragic for sure...a bunch of sailors dead. Could be worse....at the least it seems in both occassions emergency protocols and procedures were followed well.
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    Post  Teshub on Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:45 pm

    So what do folks think?

    1) Poor training?
    2) Poor discipline?
    3) Flawed ship software update?
    4) Hacked ship's systems?
    5) EW shutdown of radar systems?
    6) Sheer coincidence?
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:48 pm

    Teshub wrote:So what do folks think?

    1) Poor training?
    2) Poor discipline?
    3) Flawed ship software update?
    4) Hacked ship's systems?
    5) EW shutdown of radar systems?
    6) Sheer coincidence?
    Given that this took place in very busy waters there should have been many non computer based monitoring systems active, human lookouts, so any computer based systems should in many ways have been backups. If there was some kind of computer issue or power shut down then there should have been more lookouts posted.

    Following the Fitzgerald such a short time ago this event is inexplicable.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:45 am

    Those cargo ships are absolutely colossall. I have no idea how anyone can fail to notice them.
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:27 am

    Teshub wrote:So what do folks think?

    1) Poor training?
    2) Poor discipline?
    3) Flawed ship software update?
    4) Hacked ship's systems?
    5) EW shutdown of radar systems?
    6) Sheer coincidence?
    Brain cancer lol1
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:25 pm

    Ignominy due to admitted incompetence.

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