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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:49 am

    TheArmenian wrote:Can anyone please remind me the difference(s) between the Bakhcha turret/module used on the BMD-4M and the older turret used on BMD-4 and BMP-3?

    Thanks in advance.

    Apart from there definitely being different versions of Bakhcha-U, BMD-4 and BMD-4M both use the Bakhcha-U. The (main) difference between BMD-4 and BMD-4M is in their different chassis.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:19 am

    So what are the differences between Bakhcha turret and BMP-3 turret? Is the mechanism different? is it just sensors and/or optics?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:31 am

    TheArmenian wrote:So what are the differences between Bakhcha turret and BMP-3 turret? Is the mechanism different? is it just sensors and/or optics?

    From memory, other than the general state of sensors, optics, electronics, and software (AI capability), the Backcha-U is different from the BMP-3 turret, in that, Backcha-U loads the longer missile rounds in a fully automatic mode, while in the standard BMP-3 turret, some manual intervention is required in the last phase of loading the longer missile rounds (probably during the ramming phase).

    Both type of the turrets would, of course, have different standards of sensors, optics, and electronics depending on what variants they are and their exportability/nonexportability status.

    Also some variants of BMP-3 use Backcha-U (some of them are called BMP-3M).
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:56 am

    The first BMP-3s had a small electronics/optics box above the main gun and less sophisticated optical port arrangements.

    Newer turrets had the laser range finder and laser target marker for the laser guided missiles integrated into the weapon sights for the gunner.

    Search images on Google and you will quickly see the difference.

    Note here the new optics:

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    and here the old sights and gun mounted sight;

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    Note the box above the gun and the large gunner sight and absence of a commanders sight... especially compared with the photo above with the 360 degree view commanders sight.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:28 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_xtKObhzcRY

    BTR "Rakushka" based on the BMD-4 platform. It is supposed to replace the BTR-D of the VDV.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:36 pm

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    Post  Kyo on Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:22 pm

    New APC for airborne troops.

    http://rbth.com/defence/2014/12/20/russian_armed_forces_receive_new_apc_for_airborne_troops_42417.html
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    Post  George1 on Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:33 pm

    Kyo wrote:New APC for airborne troops.

    http://rbth.com/defence/2014/12/20/russian_armed_forces_receive_new_apc_for_airborne_troops_42417.html

    this is BTR-MD Rakushka which is based in BMD-3 chasis
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:53 am

    this is BTR-MD Rakushka which is based in BMD-3 chasis

    Yes, and as the title suggests it is the BTR version of the BMD.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:59 pm

    Nice video of the Rakushka on testing.

    Includes a nice size comparison with the older model.

    I didn't know it had an automatic transmission, but that's what they say in the video.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:03 am

    Russian Paratroopers to Get First Advanced Armored Vehicles in 2015

    Deputy Commander of the paratroopers Maj. Gen. Andrei Kholzakov stated that first multi-purpose armored vehicles will be put in service with the Russian Airborne Forces (VDV) this year after approval by a state commission.

    MOSCOW, January 15 (Sputnik) – The first multi-purpose armored vehicles will be put in service with the Russian Airborne Forces (VDV) this year after approval by a state commission, deputy commander of the paratroopers told Rossiya-24 TV channel on Thursday.

    "The vehicles proved themselves as technology of the future: they roved in differing climatic conditions, airdropped, tested in water, including being redeployed at sea. All of this was noted by the commission, which recommended to supply the VDV [with the vehicles] this year as a result of testing," Maj. Gen. Andrei Kholzakov said.

    Kholzakov added that the decision came as field tests of BMD-4M airborne fighting vehicles and BTR-MD Rakushka armored personnel carriers concluded successfully in 2014.

    According to earlier reports, the planned rearmament of the VDV was set to begin in 2015, with over 1,500 new BMD-4M and 2,500 BTR-MD Rakushka expected to be developed by 2025.

    The 13-ton BTR-MD Rakushka can carry 13 paratroopers, while the BMD-4M can carry six and is equipped with a 100-mm gun.
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    Post  zg18 on Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:27 pm

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:36 pm

    From the videos of it testing, they really need to add a small extendable ladder at the end of the engine deck. Soldiers struggle to get in if not offered a hand.

    The entry way is compromised in general, but a small ladder would make it adequate IMO.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:44 am

    BTR-MD Rakuska. 106th Guards Airborne Division

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    Post  TR1 on Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:54 am

    Still struggling to understand why a ladder or steps were not provided for on the small rear plate.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:52 pm

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    Post  TR1 on Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:58 am

    http://artofmilitary.livejournal.com/2771.html#cutid1

    An actually impressive photo-report by the MOD. BMD-4M testing.

    Word on the street is the sights and gun stabilization and accuracy are excellent.
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    Post  Mike E on Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:05 am

    TR1 wrote:http://artofmilitary.livejournal.com/2771.html#cutid1

    An actually impressive photo-report by the MOD. BMD-4M testing.

    Word on the street is the sights and gun stabilization and accuracy are excellent.
    "Can it be true? TR1 saying something positive about Russian vehicles?"

    In all seriousness that's great to hear.
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:30 am

    I say positive things about Russian vehicles all the time, the thing is this forum makes Rogozin look like a Russia critic half the time Wink .
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    Post  Mike E on Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:57 am

    It was a joke hence the quotations. Yes and no... Of course being a "Russian focused forum" we're gonna be a little bias. My bias for Russia is more a bias against the West.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:14 pm

    TR1 wrote:Still struggling to understand why a ladder or steps were not provided for on the small rear plate.

    These Rakushkas are prototypes or early production units for testing.

    The regular BMD-4M has a small step at the back.
    I am sure they will install one on the Rakushka once full scale production starts.
    Hell, even if they don't: how hard is it for the VDV guys to weld one on the vehicles themselves?
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    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:08 pm

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    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:20 pm

    Landed near Ryazan latest APC BTR-MD Rakushka
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    Post  VladimirSahin on Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:34 am

    BMD-4M will be bought in enough numbers to become standard? If so that is a huge firepower capability, if the BTR-MD would get a grenade launcher that would give squads even more firepower. What would have made me happy is if they can install heaters in those its not fun riding on top a BMD in winter pirat
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    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:06 am

    Hopefully with BTR-MD they won't have to ride on top, the hull is huge compared to BTR-D.

    Though knowing our guys, they still will Smile .

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