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    Post  max steel on Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:39 pm

    2 Turkish Parliament Members: Turkey Provided Chemical Weapons for Syrian Terrorist Attack


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    Post  Zivo on Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:43 pm

    max steel wrote:2 Turkish Parliament Members: Turkey Provided Chemical Weapons for Syrian Terrorist Attack


    I'm more curious about the global response, if any.


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    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:06 pm



    Drone which is belived to be Orlan 10 flying over Eastern Ghouta, Damascus.

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    Post  Kyo on Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:01 am

    So. Old news coming in straight from Washington. Shoigu'll start building up a bubble jamming all over Syrian airspace. As said in a previous post, the interception of US fighter bomber by a Su-30SM most probably went undetected. And that also explains Assad's astonishing flight to meet VVP in Moscow.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/29/top-nato-general-russians-starting-to-build-air-defense-bubble-over-syria/

    As VVP stated, teasing, a couple of days ago. US intel is good, but doesn't know everything. And it's just fine to keep it that way.

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    Post  Solncepek on Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:37 am

    Russia will send in Syria 30 more Su-30s

    http://pravosudija.net/article/vizit-b-asada-v-moskvu-polozhit-nachalo-mirnomu-uregulirovaniyu


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Siempre_Leal on Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:31 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know how the Syian airforce is doing? are they still carrying out attacks? there aircraft must surely be on there last legs with the amount of hours they have put in. Any news on the Yak 130 deliveries?


    AFAIK, SyAAF is still doing airstrikes over Latakia, Damascus and Southern Aleppo most airstrikes are done by Su-22, MiG-23 and SyAAF Mi-24s

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:57 pm







    ATGM being loaded on Mi24 in Syria, looks like Shturm to me.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:59 pm

    Militarov wrote:





    ATGM being loaded on Mi24 in Syria, looks like Shturm to me.

    Shturm it is, means strike package is on. This is surely for the Northern Hama "counter attack". Although that blue brace puzzles me.

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    Post  Kyo on Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:21 pm

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4594-breaking-news-it-is-official-us-military-admits-russia-s-military-is-defintly-ahead#130108

    Nemrod's post wrote:The recent events in Black Sea where SU-24 disabled all electronic warfare in the state of the art's USS Donald Cook was among the first warning. Nowadays since the september 2015 Russia built an "impenetrable" bubble. What does it mean ? In fact all NATO infrastructures are completely jammed if not disabled-it is a major event-. It means that NATO radars, satellites, AWACS, figthers, etc.. could not communicated between them, even less with the fighters above the bubbles, no use to tell more about the drones. It means too, that if NATO could not communicated with their hardware, and its fighters bombers including the F-22, how this aircraft could use its air to air missiles ?

    And, as quoted by Max Steel in http://www.russiadefence.net/t4584p15-russian-military-involvement-and-aid-to-syria-4#129970:

    Empire of Chaos is in a Jam

    NATO is desperate. The Pentagon is desperate. Imagine waking up one day in Washington and Brussels just to realize Russia has the ability to electronically jam — detect, trace, disable, destroy — NATO electronics within a 600 km range across Syria (and southern Turkey).

    Imagine the nightmare of row after row of Russian Richag-AV radar and sonar jamming systems mounted on helicopters and ships jamming everything in sight and finding every available source of electromagnetic radiation. Not only in Syria but also in Ukraine.
    Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, commander of U.S. Army units in Europe, was even forced to qualify Russian electronic warfare capabilities in Ukraine as "eye-watering."

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    Post  max steel on Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:41 pm

    USS Donald Cook incident never happened. Its a hoax. PERIOD.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:54 pm

    Kyo wrote:http://www.russiadefence.net/t4594-breaking-news-it-is-official-us-military-admits-russia-s-military-is-defintly-ahead#130108

    Nemrod's post wrote:The recent events in Black Sea where SU-24 disabled all electronic warfare in the state of the art's USS Donald Cook was among the first warning. Nowadays since the september 2015 Russia built an "impenetrable" bubble. What does it mean ? In fact all NATO infrastructures are completely jammed if not disabled-it is a major event-. It means that NATO radars, satellites, AWACS, figthers, etc.. could not communicated between them, even less with the fighters above the bubbles, no use to tell more about the drones. It means too, that if NATO could not communicated with their hardware, and its fighters bombers including the F-22, how this aircraft could use its air to air missiles ?

    And, as quoted by Max Steel in http://www.russiadefence.net/t4584p15-russian-military-involvement-and-aid-to-syria-4#129970:

    Empire of Chaos is in a Jam

    NATO is desperate. The Pentagon is desperate. Imagine waking up one day in Washington and Brussels just to realize Russia has the ability to electronically jam — detect, trace, disable, destroy — NATO electronics within a 600 km range across Syria (and southern Turkey).

    Imagine the nightmare of row after row of Russian Richag-AV radar and sonar jamming systems mounted on helicopters and ships jamming everything in sight and finding every available source of electromagnetic radiation. Not only in Syria but also in Ukraine.
    Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, commander of U.S. Army units in Europe, was even forced to qualify Russian electronic warfare capabilities in Ukraine as "eye-watering."

    As much as i believe Russia have world best counter electronics ,Im still skeptic of the Donald Cook incident and about such claims of 600km area denial for NATO. That can't be true.. for several reasons..

    1)First and above all , NATO returned with the Donald Cook to Black sea and they even used
    a camera to record Russian planes flying very near of their warships. if there was any jamming
    and counter electronics the US civilian cameras did not stopped working at all.. it recorded all perfectly Russian planes flying near their warships.

    2) The terrorist in Syria continues to film videos of Russian air strikes no problem..with lots of detail and continue their radio communications. check any video uploaded by the terrorist. every day they upload one ,and they film withing 10km to 30km distance of the combat zone.
    and in all their videos you can listen in the background radio communications happening and even terrorist smart phones ring tones operating.  

    3) If Russia had an area denial in Syria Airspace ,None of US drones will be operating. they
    need radio communications to be operated by control remote and nothing of that is happening.

    4)If Russia had such area denial for NATO..600km.. or even 200km, then how did the US Airforce bombed 2 times the Electrical Power station in Aleppo? For me logic will say after the first attack Russia will have moved a switch somewhere to cover Aleppo airspace and not allow Americans used guided missiles against vital Civilian infrastructure like electricity and water is.

    But so far NATO continues bombing Syrian government important facilities and Russia
    counter electronics not helping at all.

    If Russia had the ability to shut down radio communication withing 600km distance from latakia
    but also damage electronics using conventional weapons ,then none of the videos of the terrorist will show radio communications in the background between terrorist operating just fine. Also the fact that US airforce can get close to Russian airforce at times or can detect when Russia invade Turkey Airspace shows that Russian planes
    are being detected after all.

    Had Russia had the powerful counter electronics ,those reports claim.. in the Hama attack for example.. that we saw of the Russian helicopters flying very low in circles.. then none of those videos will have been possible.. since the most ideal thing to do in such battles ,will have been
    to shut down any kind of electronics the terrorist use.. including cameras ,drones ,and TOW missiles too jammed.. but they continue operating normally ,at least with the videos i have seen.

    Maybe Russia had those powerful Electronic warfare western unofficial reports claim.. but
    until now so far ,based on video evidence on the battle field ,doesn't look like they are using such weapons in Syria at all. Or not using them.

    For me will have been really mind blowing if for example Russia counter electronics can damage
    anti tank missiles like TOW and Kornets and stinger and javelin missiles , and igla, way before
    they reach their target. But until now haven't seen any information that Russia counter electronics are are stopping terrorist in Syria from doing any operation with or using radio communications and missiles.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:23 pm


    One of those MSM reporters sent to Latakia finally posted an article (lots of innuendo as usual but some good stuff also, you know the drill...)

    ''Syria mission demonstrates Russia's new prowess''

    http://news.yahoo.com/syria-mission-demonstrates-russias-prowess-103015120.html

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    Post  Kyo on Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:27 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Kyo wrote:http://www.russiadefence.net/t4594-breaking-news-it-is-official-us-military-admits-russia-s-military-is-defintly-ahead#130108

    Nemrod's post wrote:The recent events in Black Sea where SU-24 disabled all electronic warfare in the state of the art's USS Donald Cook was among the first warning. Nowadays since the september 2015 Russia built an "impenetrable" bubble. What does it mean ? In fact all NATO infrastructures are completely jammed if not disabled-it is a major event-. It means that NATO radars, satellites, AWACS, figthers, etc.. could not communicated between them, even less with the fighters above the bubbles, no use to tell more about the drones. It means too, that if NATO could not communicated with their hardware, and its fighters bombers including the F-22, how this aircraft could use its air to air missiles ?

    And, as quoted by Max Steel in http://www.russiadefence.net/t4584p15-russian-military-involvement-and-aid-to-syria-4#129970:

    Empire of Chaos is in a Jam

    NATO is desperate. The Pentagon is desperate. Imagine waking up one day in Washington and Brussels just to realize Russia has the ability to electronically jam — detect, trace, disable, destroy — NATO electronics within a 600 km range across Syria (and southern Turkey).

    Imagine the nightmare of row after row of Russian Richag-AV radar and sonar jamming systems mounted on helicopters and ships jamming everything in sight and finding every available source of electromagnetic radiation. Not only in Syria but also in Ukraine.
    Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, commander of U.S. Army units in Europe, was even forced to qualify Russian electronic warfare capabilities in Ukraine as "eye-watering."

    As much as i believe Russia have world best counter electronics ,Im still skeptic of the Donald Cook incident and about such claims of 600km area denial for NATO. That can't be true.. for several reasons..

    1)First and above all , NATO returned with the Donald Cook to Black sea and they even used
    a camera to record Russian planes flying very near of their warships. if there was any jamming
    and counter electronics the US civilian cameras did not stopped working at all.. it recorded all perfectly Russian planes flying near their warships.

    2) The terrorist in Syria continues to film videos of Russian air strikes no problem..with lots of detail and continue their radio communications. check any video uploaded by the terrorist. every day they upload one ,and they film withing 10km to 30km distance of the combat zone.
    and in all their videos you can listen in the background radio communications happening and even terrorist smart phones ring tones operating.  

    3) If Russia had an area denial in Syria Airspace ,None of US drones will be operating. they
    need radio communications to be operated by control remote and nothing of that is happening.

    4)If Russia had such area denial for NATO..600km.. or even 200km, then how did the US Airforce bombed 2 times the Electrical Power station in Aleppo?  For me logic will say after the first attack Russia will have moved a switch somewhere to cover Aleppo airspace and not allow Americans used guided missiles against vital Civilian infrastructure like electricity and water is.

    But so far NATO continues bombing Syrian government important facilities and Russia
    counter electronics not helping at all.

    If Russia had the ability to shut down radio communication withing 600km distance from latakia
    but also damage electronics using conventional weapons ,then none of the videos of the terrorist will show radio communications in the background between terrorist operating just fine. Also the fact that US airforce can get close to Russian airforce at times or can detect when Russia invade Turkey Airspace shows that Russian planes
    are being detected after all.

    Had Russia had the powerful counter electronics ,those reports claim.. in the Hama attack for example.. that we saw of the Russian helicopters flying very low in circles.. then none of those videos will have been possible.. since the most ideal thing to do in such battles ,will have been
    to shut down any kind of electronics the terrorist use.. including cameras ,drones ,and TOW missiles too jammed.. but they continue operating normally ,at least with the videos i have seen.

    Maybe Russia had those powerful Electronic warfare western unofficial reports claim.. but
    until now so far ,based on video evidence on the battle field ,doesn't look like they are using such weapons in Syria at all. Or not using them.

    For me will have been really mind blowing if for example Russia counter electronics can damage
    anti tank missiles like TOW and Kornets and stinger and javelin missiles , and igla, way before
    they reach their target. But until now haven't seen any information that Russia counter electronics are are stopping terrorist in Syria from doing any operation with or using radio communications and missiles.
    Party pooper.

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    Post  ultron on Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:35 pm

    Russia says ready to help FSA and do early elections in Syria.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/24/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-idUSKCN0SI08820151024


    This is the best way to go. Both sides must realize, no matter how long, whether years or decades or centuries, neither side can beat the other side militarily. So the only solution in Syria is a political solution.

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    Post  ult on Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:54 pm

    18.10.2015.


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:36 pm

    ult wrote:18.10.2015.


    Man, these satellite images are great, if only we had this technology during the Ukrainian conflict, imaging the high quality images of the 30.000 strong Russian army in Ukraine, we can dream, can’t we? Razz  Laughing

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:59 pm



    See the above videos.. The terrorist communicating by Radio..
    whats the purpose of Electronic Warfare if Russia don't use it? Russia needs
    to shutdown terrorist communication completely so they cannot coordinate any major attack..
    neither receive logistics from NATO and updated GPS satellite information of Syrian army positions for the terrorist artillery, but So far i will like to believe all those claims of Russia "electronic jamming bubble" and "Area of denial of 600km in Syria ,But evidence suggest something totally different ,that is not true at all.

    The most likely possibility is that Russia jamming only covers 20km to 30km from the place
    they are placed..and exclusively for protection of the military base and nothing else. And Combat planes for sure also have come counter electronics but nothing like those reports of "Area of denial".. in Syria we keep hearing.. Hopefully im wrong and there is more to know for a final
    conclusion about whether or not Russia have an Area of denial or not.


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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:05 pm

    EW assets are used non stop for locating rebel HQs - high numer of dead rebel commanders should come as no surprise.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:15 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:EW assets are used non stop for locating rebel HQs - high numer of dead rebel commanders should come as no surprise.

    Yeah.. but the reports of Russia EW creating a bubble in Syria ,area of denial where no
    nato radar or communication can work.. the claims that Russia declared a "no fly zone for NATO"
    and is blocking NATO communications in Syria. as sexy ,and the claims are ,can't be true. At least not until now. at best such are is very small and only covers the airport zone in LAtakkia.



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    Post  Neutrality on Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:17 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    See the above videos.. The terrorist communicating by Radio..
    whats the purpose of Electronic Warfare if Russia don't use it?  Russia needs
    to shutdown terrorist communication completely so they cannot coordinate any major attack..
    neither receive logistics from NATO and updated GPS satellite information of Syrian army positions for the terrorist artillery, but So far i will like to believe all those claims of Russia "electronic jamming bubble" and "Area of denial of 600km in Syria ,But evidence suggest something totally different ,that is not true at all.

    The most likely possibility is that Russia jamming only covers 20km to 30km from the place
    they are placed..and exclusively for protection of the military base and nothing else. And Combat planes for sure also have come counter electronics but nothing like those reports of "Area of denial".. in Syria we keep hearing..  Hopefully im wrong and there is more to know for a final
    conclusion about whether or not Russia have an Area of denial or not.


    Why? When the enemy speaks, one should listen what he has to report. The radio noise probably serves as indirect confirmation to find out whether the target has been hit or not.

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    Post  Heartbeer on Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:49 pm

    ult wrote:

    Atleast they have nice view during takeoff @ 1:04. Would boost my morale for sure Very Happy russia

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    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:58 pm

    Heartbeer wrote:
    ult wrote:

    Atleast they have nice view during takeoff @ 1:04. Would boost my morale for sure Very Happy russia

    You would try some stupid stunt to impress the "morale booster" next to pavement and you would crash Very Happy

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:18 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    See the above videos.. The terrorist communicating by Radio..
    whats the purpose of Electronic Warfare if Russia don't use it?  Russia needs
    to shutdown terrorist communication completely so they cannot coordinate any major attack..
    neither receive logistics from NATO and updated GPS satellite information of Syrian army positions for the terrorist artillery, but So far i will like to believe all those claims of Russia "electronic jamming bubble" and "Area of denial of 600km in Syria ,But evidence suggest something totally different ,that is not true at all.

    The most likely possibility is that Russia jamming only covers 20km to 30km from the place
    they are placed..and exclusively for protection of the military base and nothing else. And Combat planes for sure also have come counter electronics but nothing like those reports of "Area of denial".. in Syria we keep hearing..  Hopefully im wrong and there is more to know for a final
    conclusion about whether or not Russia have an Area of denial or not.


    Karusah-4 is effective at 300km. But, and a big but, it isn't specifically to shut down comm systems but to scramble and screw around with things like Radar and what not. It was more or less to protect the airfield from possible strikes from aircrafts. See what airbornwolf said about how NATO jets are getting screwed data from their radars and having trouble.

    At that, look at Russia's experience back in first Chechen war. Dudayev was found and killed by a guided missile from ELINT devices that caught chatter from Dudayev through a Satellite phone.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:06 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    See the above videos.. The terrorist communicating by Radio..
    whats the purpose of Electronic Warfare if Russia don't use it?  Russia needs
    to shutdown terrorist communication completely so they cannot coordinate any major attack..
    neither receive logistics from NATO and updated GPS satellite information of Syrian army positions for the terrorist artillery, but So far i will like to believe all those claims of Russia "electronic jamming bubble" and "Area of denial of 600km in Syria ,But evidence suggest something totally different ,that is not true at all.

    The most likely possibility is that Russia jamming only covers 20km to 30km from the place
    they are placed..and exclusively for protection of the military base and nothing else. And Combat planes for sure also have come counter electronics but nothing like those reports of "Area of denial".. in Syria we keep hearing..  Hopefully im wrong and there is more to know for a final
    conclusion about whether or not Russia have an Area of denial or not.


    Karusah-4 is effective at 300km.  But, and a big but, it isn't specifically to shut down comm systems but to scramble and screw around with things like Radar and what not.  It was more or less to protect the airfield from possible strikes from aircrafts.  See what airbornwolf said about how NATO jets are getting screwed data from their radars and having trouble.

    At that, look at Russia's experience back in first Chechen war.  Dudayev was found and killed by a guided missile from ELINT devices that caught chatter from Dudayev through a Satellite phone.

    This is probably the reason why so many Terrorist leaders are being killed ,Russia can trace their phones conversations from large distances and send a missile to it.

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