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    andrewlya
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    Russia pre and post Communism times

    Post  andrewlya on Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:58 pm

    Hi all,
    I wanted to know is

    1.what the life was like for Russians before Bolsheviks came to power and what was it like for them under the Tsars, was it better or worse?

    2.Did the majority of Russians want a revolution and topple the monarchy?

    3.Did Communists improve the lives of Russians during Soviet times?

    4.What would Russia have been like if communists had never taken it over?

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    Re: Russia pre and post Communism times

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:54 pm

    Ill address purely based upon my family perspective:
    1) if you werent a land owner or had a high position, life was not very good. My great grandfather owned land and was cossack.

    2)Not all Russians. Like my great grandfather.

    3)Depends which era. Apparently under Breznev and Kruschev it was pretty decent. Everyone had a roof over their head, food on the table, most of the infrastructure was still new(ish) and maintained. Education was good and such. Some personal freedoms of lets say ease of getting a new car was more difficult but transit system was leaps and bounds better than most western countries.

    4) I imagine it wouldnt be different. Eventually the people would have gotten rid of the monarchy or monarchy would have lost all power and be a figure head like everyone else. Industrial revolution would have happened anyway so I imagine a lot of similar industries they have now would have existed. Maybe there would be even more poorer people and average person may be heavily in debt and not own their own homes. Soviet times gave nearly everyone their own flat. So in todays times, most people have their own home.

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    Re: Russia pre and post Communism times

    Post  andrewlya on Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:59 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Ill address purely based upon my family perspective:
    1) if you werent a land owner or had a high position, life was not very good. My great grandfather owned land and was cossack.

    2)Not all Russians. Like my great grandfather.

    3)Depends which era. Apparently under Breznev and Kruschev it was pretty decent. Everyone had a roof over their head, food on the table, most of the infrastructure was still new(ish) and maintained. Education was good and such. Some personal freedoms of lets say ease of getting a new car was more difficult but transit system was leaps and bounds better than most western countries.

    4) I imagine it wouldnt be different. Eventually the people would have gotten rid of the monarchy or monarchy would have lost all power and be a figure head like everyone else.  Industrial revolution would have happened anyway so I imagine a lot of similar industries they have now would have existed. Maybe there would be even more poorer people and average person may be heavily in debt and not own their own homes. Soviet times gave nearly everyone their own flat.  So in todays times, most people have their own home.
    Are you Russian?
    I was born in Russia and my Mum told me that my great grand dad had to flee from his farm (he was a wealthy man) as the Bolsheviks were coming to confiscate all what he had worked for and would have probably arrested him.

    I really wonder how it would have worked out for Russia had it not been for the Communist regime. On one hand it was a cruel regime on the other they were a great power with some amazing technological advances. I am not a fan of Communism or Soviet regime but there were a few achievements one could be proud of such as space advancement and the victory over Germans as well as everyone had a job back then, there were no homeless people at all.

    Would you say life in Russia are much better now than it was in Soviet times?
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    Re: Russia pre and post Communism times

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:13 pm

    Some family is from areas of Russia, or former Russian empire (funny enough, Novorussian territory) while some others are from Lviv (so former Polish territory). I was born here in Canada. Still here in Canada and cannot leave till my Wife more or less is ready.

    Some will view their lives worst now than before.  Some will see their lives much better than before.  It all depends on the people really.  There are the liberal Russians who just hate themselves no matter how good they may got it. You can find these people anywhere though and not just Russians (they just get most of the media attention compared to the other national ones with the same attitude).  There are Russians who are happy with even little.  There are Russians who seem to have everything and want more, etc etc etc.  Would I say the system is better now? Yes and No.  I would say yes in the pretext that you can pretty much buy whatever you want, and go wherever you want so long as you have the money to do so.  Life can be very similar to anywhere else so long as you have the money.  The no aspect would be that there isn't the same security as before.  In other words, there are homeless people in Russia, there are really hungry people in Russia.  There are people who can barely obtain the basic necessities.  Most of these issues were not evident till the end of the soviet union (mostly just hungry).  These days, it almost seems like a dog vs dog world like the USA which I am totally against and I think the fellow man is supposed to help their neighbor out, and vice versa.   But this is a byproduct of the glorification of the west.  That also said, the 90's brought a lot of disaster and only in the resent years (maybe decade) has Russia really been trying to fix the issues.  So many issues though are leftovers that it will take decades more to fix.  They are on the right track though.

    Soviet Union though, for countries like Ukraine, would have been a ton better than it is now.  Just look what they have done to themselves in the last year.  Absolutely disgusting.  Kinda sad when my own family members whom are from Ukraine state that it is just a loser country.  Soviet times is what really helped change that country for the better.  And now they squandered it away.

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    Re: Russia pre and post Communism times

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:41 pm

    There was a previous thread ("History of Imperial Russia") where the same question was asked, I will just copy the same post I placed there:
    [Imperial Russia] was a mostly rural, peasant country for sure, but with the fastest industrial growth in the world in the late 19th-early 20th centuries. Serfdom was abolished around 1860, and this improved the conditions of many peasants. Most peasants were very poor compared to Western Europeans, but anyway there were a few who were rich, others who could be considered middle class (small landowners), and literacy was also growing fast among peasants and workers. I know a woman whose parents were Byelorussians (Russian-speaking) and moved to Argentina in the 1920's - they were peasants, literate and owned their land, and had good cultural and material life conditions before the revolution. The reforms put in practice by prime-minister Stolypin in the early 20th century gave arable lands in Southern Siberia and low-interest credits for peasants, which also improved their condition. Revolutionaries were so afraid of Stolypin's reforms because, if successful, it would delay or simply abort the revolution they were fighting for (revolutionaries, either liberal or socialist, are evil because they necessarily need the conditions of the people to be extremely bad, otherwise no revolution will ever occur), and he was assassinated by an anarchist in Kiev. Last, there was a thriving middle class in cities, consisting of traders, doctors, professors, lawyers, etc.
    Does this mean that everything was perfect in Russia, that everyone was happy before the Revolution? Of course not, there was a lot of injustices, inequalities and oppression, from which revolutionary feelings bred. But the Bolsheviks, striving for a "perfect" society, only made things worse, and a terrible terror regime under Lenin and Stalin came upon Russia that caused dozens of millions to die, many of the brightest people to emigrate, a situation much worse than anything the previous tsars and emperors had ever done, even those considered the bloodiest ones, like Ivan IV. Russia is nowadays in a current difficult demographic situation mostly due to the Bolsheviks - not only the terror from 1917-1953, but also legal abortion and low birth rate have decimated Russian population. Before the Revolution, Russia had a very fast growing population.

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