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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  George1 on Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:00 am

    Here says that ordersof the Ministry of Defence on 19 small missile ships of the project 22800 have dramatically increased the demand for diesel-electric power plants of the St. Petersburg factory "Zvezda"

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2114483.html


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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:36 am

    Lots of interesting details in that article.

    With 19 ships currently planned (& talks of eventual 30) they need 57 engines (= 3* per ship).

    But at current production rate they won't deliver the first engine until about the time the first ship is due to be handed over to the navy...
    So they are planning to bump staff from 400 to 600, got new machinery on the way expecting to significantly speed up production.

    Via Yandex translate
    Initially it was assumed that the ships will go only to the black sea fleet, but later it was decided to build them also for the Baltic and Pacific fleets.
    Initially for BSF!
    Everyone seemed pretty sure they were designed for North/Pacific...

    In addition, according to "Kommersant", the project is undergoing modernization in tsmkb "Diamond", then "Karakurt" going to do a missile strike groups consisting of four to five ships.
    "The essence of modernization is to replace the cruise missiles in the hull of a ship defense system.
    Anti-aircraft missile and gun complex "Armor-M" will close the sky that will make some ships 22800 a full-fledged missile strike group, similar to carrier strike group the U.S. Navy.
    For example, of five ships, three will be armed with cruise missiles, and two would protect them"
    Bit unclear here but seems to be they are going whole hog with a dedicated AA version Very Happy
    Says replacing the UKSK with AA but then only talks about naval Pantsir.
    Everything previously (including the model) indicated naval Pantsir being intended simultaneous with UKSK so its quite confusing Question
    Either only 2 out of 5 will get the naval Pantsir, or they are talking about more significant AA eg Redut/Shtil-1 as well as the naval Pantsir ones.


    Also: With another 3* Buyan-M ordered at Zelnodolsk I wonder if they will still be getting 22800 orders or if they are keeping with Buyan-Ms to avoid disrupting the successful line?

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:49 am

    Over at Balancer forums they seem to be similarly confused about that wording whether they literally mean remove UKSK & add naval Pantsir or not literally add a Shtil-1/Redut launcher.
    Bigger pic from the pamphlet image


    Meanwhile Charly015 has made one of his graphics http://charly015.blogspot.com/2016/09/el-grafico-del-proyecto-22800.html

    So he thinks the Mineral (anti ship) radar is in the dome.
    Centaur is apparently a short range fire control radar related to the Flexible/Palma/AK-630 on various recent ships.
    So the AESA panels on the mast would be air surveillance, which has the issue of only covering the front hemisphere Suspect (unless the model is wrong & there will actually be rear facing panel/s)

    More pics of the model via Bastion Karpenko http://foto-i-mir.ru/22800e-army-2016/














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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:38 pm


    Guys would it be possible to slightly extend mid section to make room for Redut lunchers behind UKSK and fourth diesel engine to cope with extra weigh?

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:09 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Guys would it be possible to slightly extend mid section to make room for Redut lunchers behind UKSK and fourth diesel engine to cope with extra weigh?

    Yes that would be possible why they would bother is another question do they really need Redut on this thing?.

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:48 pm

    Guys would it be possible to slightly extend mid section to make room for Redut lunchers behind UKSK and fourth diesel engine to cope with extra weigh?
    It's an 800ton ship, only a bit over 1/3 of 20380...
    Pretty sure getting proper AA missiles & radar in will be amazing even if they cut not just the UKSK but naval Pantsir & the main gun.

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:56 pm

    Apparently the Zelenodolsk 22800 build is still on Shocked
    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160923/1477681653.html
    Google translate wrote:Construction of the first small missile ship (RTO) project 22800 "Karakurt" at the Zelenodolsk shipyard will begin this year, he told RIA Novosti on Friday, General Director Renat Mistahov.
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    we have completely bought materials, metal, being Counterparty work on procurement. Now there is an agreement with the Ministry of Defence regarding the order in which the date is better to lay. For certain body section will be formed this year

    They have a lot on with 4* Buyan-M to complete for BSF + 3* new ones to start + still finishing a couple of Gepards for Vietnam + 4* soon to be 5* 22160s building & I think several Auxiliaries in build, then 3* 22800 as well unshaven


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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:29 pm

    hoom wrote:Apparently the Zelenodolsk 22800 build is still on Shocked
    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160923/1477681653.html
    .......

    They have a lot on with 4* Buyan-M to complete for BSF + 3* new ones to start + still finishing a couple of Gepards for Vietnam + 4* soon to be 5* 22160s building & I think several Auxiliaries in build, then 3* 22800 as well unshaven

    And hopefully they will have even more. Zelenodolsk is getting sh*t done. Pella too. thumbsup

    Once frigate engine issue is put to bed it would be good to get Pella and Zelenodolsk into the frigate construction game. Imagine several shipyards competing which could build most frigates in allotted timeframe.

    That would be right approach.

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:47 am

    Zelenodolsk is size limited by the river/canal so I'm pretty sure they can't do anything like a 11356.
    Not yet proven that Pella can actually deliver a proper warship, they have a decent size auxiliary started recently but I've seen some questions about their build quality & suggestion they were proposing to build some larger ships in Germany...

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:36 am

    hoom wrote:Zelenodolsk is size limited by the river/canal so I'm pretty sure they can't do anything like a 11356.

    Don't know if they can do a 11356, but they have built the project 22100 that has a displacement of 2700 tons.

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:35 am

    Well thats about the same size as Gepard. I'm not sure how they managed to get the ones for Vietnam out...
    But yeah, add 2* those in construction +2 expected to the list of work Zelenodolsk has.

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:24 pm

    hoom wrote:Zelenodolsk is size limited by the river/canal so I'm pretty sure they can't do anything like a 11356.
    Not yet proven that Pella can actually deliver a proper warship, they have a decent size auxiliary started recently but I've seen some questions about their build quality & suggestion they were proposing to build some larger ships in Germany...

    No way russia will have anyone mainly a NATO nation build a warship for them. Remember the French and Mistrals? most in russia even opposed that knowing it was a waste since the US would ensure they did not get the ships.

    Why only sign up for a round two? of the samething.

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:04 pm

    Missile boats will be protected by "Pantsirs"

    mini dictionary
    Shell, carpace  = pantsir
    Brains, Brainstorming  =Mozgovyi (name of person Smile

    http://izvestia.ru/news/636773


    Main Command of the Navy has agreed a new long-distance carriers face of cruise missiles "Caliber" - small missile ships "Buyan-M" type of project 20380. They will be equipped with the latest radar station (RLS) with an active phased array (AESA). This system will be installed, along with anti-aircraft missile artillery system (SPAR) "Carapace-CM", which will provide the highest level of security vehicles.

    Latest radar made in JSC "Central Design Bureau of Apparatus" (included in the holding "Precision Systems"). Unique radar is able to detect the fraction of a second low-flying cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles and surface targets and bring them a whole arsenal of anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles and rapid-fire artillery. The first ship of the new radar will be laid in the next year.

    - Currently, the appearance of ships "Buyan-M" with the new radar agreed, - told "Izvestia" a source in the Navy, familiar with the work. - The decision was made back in the summer. In addition to the new radar will be installed on the ship antiaircraft rocket artillery system (SPAR) "Carapace-CM". Now a new radar being tested on board the boats 12443 "Lightning", which we plan to complete before the end of the year.

    The new radar is the basis of the marine version of the anti-aircraft missile and gun complexes "Carapace-CM". Compared to land analogue "Carapace-C1" Marine SPAR has increased twice the detection range and engage targets. Locator sees everything that happens on the water and air at a distance of 75 km, and anti-aircraft complex of striking targets at a distance of 40 km.

    As explained by the expert, the traditional marine radar consists of a huge rotating on the roof of the wheelhouse antenna web-sail. The new radar will be the continuation of the conning-tower superstructure with three sides which are placed flat antenna. Each of them consists of a plurality of combined into one transceiver modules, which moves in a fraction of a second electron beam scanning space. He finds in the sector of 180 degrees ship rate air and surface targets, their selectors, it brings weapons and can even work as a means of jamming.

    An expert in the field of naval arms Brainstorming Alexander told "Izvestia", the first time such a system has been implemented on the fighter T-50.

    - Since 2017 it is planned to construct and install small missile ships of Project 20380 Type "Buyan-M", as well as within the framework of the modernization, on five similar ships which are already a part of the Caspian Flotilla and the Black Sea fleet - says Brain. - These ships distinguished themselves during a massive strike by cruise missiles "Caliber" of the Black and Caspian seas LIH terrorist purposes (organization banned in Russia) in Syria. New radar and "Carapace-SM" are replaced by anti-aircraft missile system "flexible" with missiles "Igla-M", as well as basic generic detection radar station "Positive".

    According to the expert, the dignity of AESA radar is not only in speed, but also in the fact that the system is fully fit into the concept of stealth stealth becoming a part of the body.

    - This is a unique technology - said the Brain. - missile boats projects 20380 ( Me: hmmm and not Buyans? ) and 22800 are the main striking force of our Navy. Therefore, in their neutralization will be the direction of the main forces of the enemy. It is important that our ships will be the powerful air defense system that can guarantee to protect them from air and missile attack.


    is so why not add Paket torpedoes too?



    and below updated AK-176 76mm gun for 22800

    The small Russian Navy will receive sniper weapons


    http://vpk-news.ru/news/32494



    Decided to equip all small missile ships and boats sverhskorostrelny 76-mm automatic gun AK-176МА accuracy thanks to the digital control and all-weather optronic system is not inferior to the sniper rifle.
    Depending on the type of vehicle that the product can be accommodated as in a conventional spherical, and stealth tower, which due to the angular forms invisible to enemy radar.

    With a weight of 10 tons the latest artillery systems are able to produce on a target located at a distance of 15 km, not less than 150 artillery shells. The main difference between AK-176МА from their predecessors — the digital control system, as well as the latest optical-electronic station "Sphere-2", allowing to detect targets at ranges of dozens of kilometers, day and night, in heavy rain and even storm.
    Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/news/32494


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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:04 am

    MRK "Hurricane", "Typhoon" and "Storm" of the project 22800. Photo By Alexey Akent






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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:36 am

    Those appear to have been taken during the Shkvall keel laying ceremony.
    Those & some more over at Balancers


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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:13 pm

    First KARAKURT class ship (Uragan) will join the Navy in December 2017

    http://flotprom.ru/2016/Пелла13/

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:39 am

    New pic from http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/513762.html (mostly about the Pella factory)

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