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    Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  Isos on Sun May 13, 2018 9:07 am

    Personally I was hoping the stealthy model had vertical launch missiles in a much more stealthy mount where the missiles were blown into the air and horizontal rockets turned it towards the target before the main solid rocket booster fires and accelerates the missile towards the target... much like a TOR missile or a Onyx/Yakhont/Brahmos missile...

    Bad idea. That's more expensive, takes more place for same number of missiles, minimum engagement range is higher and reaction time because of the direction that needs to be changed is higher.

    If you want a more stealthy variant instead of puting the missiles like they are, make a box on the luncher around them with stealth materials. I've read even wood is very absorbant against radar signals. That's way much cheaper and reduce the rcs the same way as VLS because you will still have guns that will be on the turret and that are not stealth. So no need to make the missiles 100% stealth.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu May 17, 2018 4:57 pm


    Uragan moved to start trials

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/107185/

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  Luq man on Thu May 17, 2018 6:02 pm

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  Hole on Thu May 17, 2018 8:39 pm

    Very Happy cheers russia yes sir

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Fri May 18, 2018 3:53 am

    Upstream to Ladoga indeed.

    Edit: more vid


    and pics
















    And a bit of a mystery

    Seems things were just tacked on to make it look more complete at launch than it actually is Suspect
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon May 21, 2018 11:36 pm

    Pacific Fleet of Russia will receive a series of six small missile ships

    The Ministry of Defense plans to sign a contract for the construction of a series of such ships in 2019

    MOSCOW, May 21. / TASS /. The Russian Defense Ministry will conclude a contract in 2019 to build a series of six small missile ships for the Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet). This is reported on Monday, the day of the 287th anniversary of the formation of the Pacific Fleet, the press service of the Eastern Military District of the Pacific Fleet.


    Pacific border of Russia: naval ships of the fleet
    "It is planned that in 2019 the Ministry of Defense will sign a contract for the construction of a series of six small missile ships of the project 22800 for the Pacific Fleet, which are considered one of the best in this class in terms of their seaworthiness, technical parameters and combat capabilities," the report said.

    In addition, according to the plans of the military department, the underwater forces of the Pacific Fleet will be equipped with diesel-electric submarines of Project 636.3, which are built at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg. "Their weapons include sea-based cruise missiles" Caliber. "The state armament program provides for the construction of a series of submarines of this class," the press service of the Pacific Fleet added.

    It is noted that the coastal parts have already received the mobile missile systems "Bastion" and "Ball", and the Pacific Fleet marines have adopted new BTR-82A armored vehicles and T-80BB tanks.

    The day of the founding of the Pacific Fleet of Russia is considered May 21 (May 10 old style) in 1731, when the decree of Empress Anna Ioannovna formed the port of Okhotsk, which until 1849 remained the only Russian port in the Pacific basin. To protect Siberia, sea trade routes and fisheries, a military flotilla was also established in the Far East with a base in Okhotsk. The day of the Pacific Fleet was established by the order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Vladimir Kuroyedov, on April 15, 1999.

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon May 21, 2018 11:43 pm

    Well, there are a series of small missile ships in the Pacific fleet already that will need to be replaced.

    There are 15 small missile boats part of the pacific fleet, Project 12341 and 12411 that will need to be replaced. Best option is of course Project 22800. But they will need at least another 7 more of these ships to replace all the older missile boats.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue May 22, 2018 3:14 am

    Seems things were just tacked on to make it look more complete at launch than it actually is Suspect

    This doesn't make sense given that Pella would have nothing to gain from this in terms of PR.

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Tue May 22, 2018 4:57 am

    Then why is there a post-launch pic of it with the mast & Pantsir-M removed?
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue May 22, 2018 6:57 am

    Dunno what you are getting at, it's not the same ship.

    First couple of models (2) get no pantsir system. It's not like they build 1 at a time. Multiple been laid down.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 22, 2018 9:56 am

    They probably wont need to replace all the older boats one for one....

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Tue May 22, 2018 11:32 am

    This is the recently launched ship.


    It was launched with Pantsir-M and mast mounted.
    It no longer has them only a few days after the launch -> they were temporarily mounted for the launch.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  flamming_python on Tue May 22, 2018 12:22 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Well, there are a series of small missile ships in the Pacific fleet already that will need to be replaced.

    There are 15 small missile boats part of the pacific fleet, Project 12341 and 12411 that will need to be replaced.  Best option is of course Project 22800.  But they will need at least another 7 more of these ships to replace all the older missile boats.

    A Karakurt missile boat will detect an enemy target at a way greater range than a Nanuchka missile boat will, carries 33% more ASMs, and each of those ASMs would have anywhere from 2.5 to 4 times the range of the venerable Malalkhit.
    It also has some 33% greater endurance at sea.

    So no they really don't need to replace all the old missile boats 1 to 1.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  flamming_python on Tue May 22, 2018 12:30 pm

    hoom wrote:This is the recently launched ship.


    It was launched with Pantsir-M and mast mounted.
    It no longer has them only a few days after the launch -> they were temporarily mounted for the launch.

    If it's going upstream to Ladoga that means it's headed for another fleet.

    And so they're going to lower those masts and installations so it can go under all the bridges along the waterways it will be travelling.

    For Pete's sake, couldn't you have figured this out for yourself?

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Tue May 22, 2018 12:33 pm

    The one going to Ladoga is the first ship & its going there for trials with all its masts Neutral
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  flamming_python on Tue May 22, 2018 1:33 pm

    hoom wrote:The one going to Ladoga is the first ship & its going there for trials with all its masts Neutral

    I'd wait for it to actually begin trials before pacing around over its lack of masts.

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Thu May 24, 2018 4:05 am

    Returning to Pella

    Presumably later on will be allowed to do it under own power.

    Balancer has a few pics at Ladoga but super potato quality, I don't think worth posting.

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:56 am

    Has been to & from Ladoga a couple of times, now going out to Baltic (this bridge is downstream from Pella)

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:40 pm

    In St Petersburg



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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:12 am

    Apparently did de-perming at Kronshtadt, now on its way back up river



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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  Hole on Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:38 am

    Nice pics. thumbsup

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:31 am

    At Pella again


    I believe has been up to Ladoga and back at least once since the jaunt down to Kronshtadt.

    Any thoughts on the idea of a conventional Mineral radar in the mast? (panels just radome material)
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:59 pm

    Hole wrote:Nice pics. thumbsup

    St Petersberg in June and dark at night? Suspect Suspect Suspect

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:16 am

    At speed

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:43 am

    Pantsir getting put back on

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