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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Fri May 18, 2018 4:53 am

    Upstream to Ladoga indeed.

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    And a bit of a mystery

    Seems things were just tacked on to make it look more complete at launch than it actually is Suspect
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue May 22, 2018 12:36 am

    Pacific Fleet of Russia will receive a series of six small missile ships

    The Ministry of Defense plans to sign a contract for the construction of a series of such ships in 2019

    MOSCOW, May 21. / TASS /. The Russian Defense Ministry will conclude a contract in 2019 to build a series of six small missile ships for the Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet). This is reported on Monday, the day of the 287th anniversary of the formation of the Pacific Fleet, the press service of the Eastern Military District of the Pacific Fleet.


    Pacific border of Russia: naval ships of the fleet
    "It is planned that in 2019 the Ministry of Defense will sign a contract for the construction of a series of six small missile ships of the project 22800 for the Pacific Fleet, which are considered one of the best in this class in terms of their seaworthiness, technical parameters and combat capabilities," the report said.

    In addition, according to the plans of the military department, the underwater forces of the Pacific Fleet will be equipped with diesel-electric submarines of Project 636.3, which are built at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg. "Their weapons include sea-based cruise missiles" Caliber. "The state armament program provides for the construction of a series of submarines of this class," the press service of the Pacific Fleet added.

    It is noted that the coastal parts have already received the mobile missile systems "Bastion" and "Ball", and the Pacific Fleet marines have adopted new BTR-82A armored vehicles and T-80BB tanks.

    The day of the founding of the Pacific Fleet of Russia is considered May 21 (May 10 old style) in 1731, when the decree of Empress Anna Ioannovna formed the port of Okhotsk, which until 1849 remained the only Russian port in the Pacific basin. To protect Siberia, sea trade routes and fisheries, a military flotilla was also established in the Far East with a base in Okhotsk. The day of the Pacific Fleet was established by the order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Vladimir Kuroyedov, on April 15, 1999.

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue May 22, 2018 12:43 am

    Well, there are a series of small missile ships in the Pacific fleet already that will need to be replaced.

    There are 15 small missile boats part of the pacific fleet, Project 12341 and 12411 that will need to be replaced. Best option is of course Project 22800. But they will need at least another 7 more of these ships to replace all the older missile boats.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue May 22, 2018 4:14 am

    Seems things were just tacked on to make it look more complete at launch than it actually is Suspect

    This doesn't make sense given that Pella would have nothing to gain from this in terms of PR.

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Tue May 22, 2018 5:57 am

    Then why is there a post-launch pic of it with the mast & Pantsir-M removed?
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue May 22, 2018 7:57 am

    Dunno what you are getting at, it's not the same ship.

    First couple of models (2) get no pantsir system. It's not like they build 1 at a time. Multiple been laid down.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 22, 2018 10:56 am

    They probably wont need to replace all the older boats one for one....

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    Post  hoom on Tue May 22, 2018 12:32 pm

    This is the recently launched ship.


    It was launched with Pantsir-M and mast mounted.
    It no longer has them only a few days after the launch -> they were temporarily mounted for the launch.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  flamming_python on Tue May 22, 2018 1:22 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Well, there are a series of small missile ships in the Pacific fleet already that will need to be replaced.

    There are 15 small missile boats part of the pacific fleet, Project 12341 and 12411 that will need to be replaced.  Best option is of course Project 22800.  But they will need at least another 7 more of these ships to replace all the older missile boats.

    A Karakurt missile boat will detect an enemy target at a way greater range than a Nanuchka missile boat will, carries 33% more ASMs, and each of those ASMs would have anywhere from 2.5 to 4 times the range of the venerable Malalkhit.
    It also has some 33% greater endurance at sea.

    So no they really don't need to replace all the old missile boats 1 to 1.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  flamming_python on Tue May 22, 2018 1:30 pm

    hoom wrote:This is the recently launched ship.


    It was launched with Pantsir-M and mast mounted.
    It no longer has them only a few days after the launch -> they were temporarily mounted for the launch.

    If it's going upstream to Ladoga that means it's headed for another fleet.

    And so they're going to lower those masts and installations so it can go under all the bridges along the waterways it will be travelling.

    For Pete's sake, couldn't you have figured this out for yourself?

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Tue May 22, 2018 1:33 pm

    The one going to Ladoga is the first ship & its going there for trials with all its masts Neutral
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    Post  flamming_python on Tue May 22, 2018 2:33 pm

    hoom wrote:The one going to Ladoga is the first ship & its going there for trials with all its masts Neutral

    I'd wait for it to actually begin trials before pacing around over its lack of masts.

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Thu May 24, 2018 5:05 am

    Returning to Pella

    Presumably later on will be allowed to do it under own power.

    Balancer has a few pics at Ladoga but super potato quality, I don't think worth posting.

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:56 pm

    Has been to & from Ladoga a couple of times, now going out to Baltic (this bridge is downstream from Pella)

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:40 pm

    In St Petersburg



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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:12 am

    Apparently did de-perming at Kronshtadt, now on its way back up river



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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  Hole on Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:38 am

    Nice pics. thumbsup

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:31 am

    At Pella again


    I believe has been up to Ladoga and back at least once since the jaunt down to Kronshtadt.

    Any thoughts on the idea of a conventional Mineral radar in the mast? (panels just radome material)
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:59 am

    Hole wrote:Nice pics. thumbsup

    St Petersberg in June and dark at night? Suspect Suspect Suspect

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:16 am

    At speed

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:43 am

    Pantsir getting put back on
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  Hole on Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:03 am

    Pics!





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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:31 pm

    Nice, you beat me to it!  thumbsup

    Notice how the dome on 3rd boat is so much bigger, flat higher?
    If its not Mineral (or similar) it could be the SOTS radar from Pantsir-S2 but that would be weird since clearly there are 4 faces of that on the superstructure (unless those are actually not despite looking really really lots like it).

    Some construction progress pics



    This one is apparently Kerch


    And a couple others against the wall

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  Hole on Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:09 pm

    The radar is definetly bigger. A new version?

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

    Post  hoom on Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:03 am

    I believe its a Mineral & the first 2 have Positiv.
    Gepard class has both Mineral & Positiv so gives good comparison


    But there is also this pic which is the Pantsir-S2 antenna in a dome


    Edit:
    Direct comparison is a bit problematic though, I think Positiv for the first 2 is confirmed but the proportions of the 3rd don't match the Mineral dome

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