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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:47 am

    Zelenodolsk is size limited by the river/canal so I'm pretty sure they can't do anything like a 11356.
    Not yet proven that Pella can actually deliver a proper warship, they have a decent size auxiliary started recently but I've seen some questions about their build quality & suggestion they were proposing to build some larger ships in Germany...
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:36 am

    hoom wrote:Zelenodolsk is size limited by the river/canal so I'm pretty sure they can't do anything like a 11356.

    Don't know if they can do a 11356, but they have built the project 22100 that has a displacement of 2700 tons.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:35 am

    Well thats about the same size as Gepard. I'm not sure how they managed to get the ones for Vietnam out...
    But yeah, add 2* those in construction +2 expected to the list of work Zelenodolsk has.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:24 pm

    hoom wrote:Zelenodolsk is size limited by the river/canal so I'm pretty sure they can't do anything like a 11356.
    Not yet proven that Pella can actually deliver a proper warship, they have a decent size auxiliary started recently but I've seen some questions about their build quality & suggestion they were proposing to build some larger ships in Germany...

    No way russia will have anyone mainly a NATO nation build a warship for them. Remember the French and Mistrals? most in russia even opposed that knowing it was a waste since the US would ensure they did not get the ships.

    Why only sign up for a round two? of the samething.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:04 am

    MRK "Hurricane", "Typhoon" and "Storm" of the project 22800. Photo By Alexey Akent





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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:36 am

    Those appear to have been taken during the Shkvall keel laying ceremony.
    Those & some more over at Balancers

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:13 pm

    First KARAKURT class ship (Uragan) will join the Navy in December 2017

    http://flotprom.ru/2016/Пелла13/
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:39 am

    New pic from http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/513762.html (mostly about the Pella factory)
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:40 am

    Number 5 (Alive!) coming up http://vz.ru/news/2016/12/22/850722.html
    Google translate wrote:The representative of the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense for the Navy Igor Dygalo announced tab on the St. Petersburg shipyard "Pella" five small missile ship Project 22800 "Karakurt", which will be given the name of "The Tempest".

    Tab will be made on Saturday, December 24, reports RIA "Novosti" .
    Буря Burya = The Tempest.
    Kinda surprised at another for Pella without a 2nd at Kerch/starting one at Zelenodolsk.

    Edit:
    Hurricane, Typhoon, Storm, Squall & Tempest, appropriately boisterous names, though with a class name Black Widow kinda weird not to be using insect names?
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:55 pm

    hoom wrote:Number 5 (Alive!) coming up http://vz.ru/news/2016/12/22/850722.html
    Google translate wrote:The representative of the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense for the Navy Igor Dygalo announced tab on the St. Petersburg shipyard "Pella" five small missile ship Project 22800 "Karakurt", which will be given the name of "The Tempest".

    Tab will be made on Saturday, December 24, reports RIA "Novosti" .
    Буря Burya = The Tempest.
    Kinda surprised at another for Pella without a 2nd at Kerch/starting one at Zelenodolsk.

    Zelenodolsk probably still has production capacities clogged up because of engine delays for Buyans that are under construction there. At least that would be my best guess.  



    Edit:
    Hurricane, Typhoon, Storm, Squall & Tempest, appropriately boisterous names, though with a class name Black Widow kinda weird not to be using insect names?

    Maybe they think that ''RNS Termite'' does not have the same ring to it?   lol1
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  franco on Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:56 pm

    Pella shipbuilding in St Petersburg to build eighteen 22800's through 2022.

    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20161224/1484514598.html
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  George1 on Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:38 pm

    Fourth small missile ship Project 22800 laid down











    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2343935.html


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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:43 pm

    franco wrote:Pella shipbuilding in St Petersburg to build eighteen 22800's through 2022.

    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20161224/1484514598.html

    18 in Pella alone? Damn, they are really embracing that whole ''distributed lethality'' concept.

    Smart move, give the low level gig to these things and free up bigger ships for proper work.


    Also, noticing anything different on this plate?

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:42 pm

    Interesting that it appears to be a late addition to the plate, can see the darker outline of AK-630 as on the earlier plates Suspect
    Someone forgot to send the updated profile to the laser guy or late finalisation that the naval Pantsir would actually be on this one?

    18 in Pella alone?
    Well 18 was the total build quoted for a while, Pella own the Kerch shipyard so ships built there can be called 'built by Pella' & if Zelenodolsk is too busy...

    Edit: also some pics of the 76mm gun from Balancer forum



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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:42 am

    LCS be cryin' so hard Sad (Via Balancers again)

    Seems to confirm the panel radar only on front faces of the mast.
    Also note that the plate shows the Pantsir up on a pedestal with the top nearly same height as the mast while the model & render show it quite a lot lower. Wonder which will prove correct?
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:42 am

    hoom wrote:LCS be cryin' so hard Sad (Via Balancers again)

    Seems to confirm the panel radar only on front faces of the mast.
    Also note that the plate shows the Pantsir up on a pedestal with the top nearly same height as the mast while the model & render show it quite a lot lower. Wonder which will prove correct?

    Neither. Both are just promo guesswork. We won't know for certain until first one is floated out.

    Remember first image of this thing? It showed AK CIWS instead of Pantsir. Not exactly tiny detail.

    God knows what else will change later on. And don't get me started on difference between original Buyan and Buyan-M version. That was one crazy upgrade. I am sure Karakurts will be getting crazy as well later in production.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:39 am


    According to this Vostochnaya Verf Vladivostok might get contact to build 22800 ships:

    http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1841482.html
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:10 pm

    Makes sense since Komsomolsk-on-Amur is out.
    They're building some Rubin class patrol ships.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:31 pm

    hoom wrote:Makes sense since Komsomolsk-on-Amur is out.
    They're building some Rubin class patrol ships.

    That's a Coast Guard contract. Those are fine ships (not warships but lot bigger than Karakurts), more of them the better.

    And I wouldn't say they are out. They still have those Buyan-Ms that got delayed over engines and taking up space so until they sort that out they will not he able to commit to anything new.

    Although I assumed they would be building Okean class and not Rubin. Probably imported parts problem again so they switched to Rubin.

    Now if Navy would only apply this multiple shipyard approach to frigates it would be fantastic....

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    Post  marat on Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:51 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    hoom wrote:Makes sense since Komsomolsk-on-Amur is out.
    They're building some Rubin class patrol ships.

    That's a Coast Guard contract. Those are fine ships (not warships but lot bigger than Karakurts), more of them the better.

    And I wouldn't say they are out. They still have those Buyan-Ms that got delayed over engines and taking up space so until they sort that out they will not he able to commit to anything new.

    Although I assumed they would be building Okean class and not Rubin. Probably imported parts problem again so they switched to Rubin.

    Now if Navy would only apply this multiple shipyard approach to frigates it would be fantastic....

    Buyan in KoA? Are you sure?
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:00 pm

    marat wrote:..........

    Buyan in KoA? Are you sure?

    Crap, you are right. Embarassed

    I mixed up Komsomolsk with Zelenodolsk. Russian cities can get confusing...
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:46 pm


    Another Karakurt laid down at Feodosia, Crimea. Name is Ohotsk. russia

    This is second in Crimea and sixth overall I think. Nice, this is how you build a ship class! thumbsup

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/91497/

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:07 pm


    Also, photo of Uragan from December. Anything new on it or just business as usual?

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  hoom on Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:53 am

    Sweet Smile

    Different pic of the plate via Balancer

    Plate has gained a couple of radomes that have been missing on previous ones, Pantsir mount is still on the raised plinth.
    Compare with


    Video but not really anything interesting to see

    Would have been nice to see progress pic of the other one cry

    http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%97%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%B02/
    Zvezda has hired 100 more staff but are still behind on engine production.

    http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%97%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%B03/
    They've also launched a new transmission production facility.


    Also, photo of Uragan from December. Anything new on it or just business as usual?
    Very similar to the one George1 posted in Dec.
    Main thing is the radar panel holes in the mast (still no sign of clarification as to what actual radar is going there), some bridge window holes. In the George1 pic you can see there seems to be a size issue with fairleads on the bow.

    Edit: Another angle from Dec

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  ult on Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:40 pm

    Picture of Storm in Feodosiya.


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