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    Project 22800

    Post  calripson on Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:46 pm

    What are the specifics on the new Project 22800 ? What are the armaments ?

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:43 pm

    Russian Navy to get 18 new class corvettes — commander

    Any specis of 22800 class ?
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:35 am

    Austin wrote:Russian Navy to get 18 new class corvettes — commander

    Any specs of 22800 class ?



    Here are the specs of the Project 12300 (in brief):

    Displacement: 800 T
    Length : 60 m
    Speed : 30 knots
    Range : 2500 miles
    Endurance : 15 days
    Armament : 1 x76, cruise missiles, gun/missile anti-air module

    The project 22800 is based on the Project 12300 SKORPION which used to be a 500T missile ship. It grew up to 800T later on.
    Here is a photo of the early model Pr. 12300 SKORPION that had a displacement of 500 T.

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    Project 22800

    Post  Viktor on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:28 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    The Russian Navy will receive 18 small missile ships of the project 22800, "golovnik" lay in 2016 - Commander of the Navy

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    Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  zg18 on Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:56 am

    New corvette for the Navy



    Russia’s first new class corvette of Project 22800 for the naval forces will be laid down by the end of the current year, and the Navy will get a total of 18 such ships

    http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2015-news/july-2015-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/2866-russian-navy-to-get-18-new-project-22800-corvettes-to-supplement-buyan-m-corvettes.html

    It will also have navalized version of Pantsir-S1 Air defense system.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:04 pm

    correct me if im wrong but I dont see any landing pad for a helo or dont it have one?
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:27 pm

    Project Canada wrote:correct me if im wrong but I dont see any landing pad for a helo or dont it have one?

    This is pic of a different ship.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:31 am

    zg18 wrote:New corvette for the Navy

    Pr. 12300 Missile-Gun Boat apparently

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:30 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    zg18 wrote:New corvette for the Navy

    Pr. 12300 Missile-Gun Boat apparently


    Hmm Visby corvette has displacement of 640t and her weaponry is quite impressive:
    So in case of 22800 (on pic is 12300 with displacement 465t so about half of planed corvette) all what Visby was to have can be actually mounted and range increased by some extra miles.


    Armament:

    1 × Bofors 57 mm Mk3
    8 × RBS15 Mk2 AShM
    4 × 400 mm torpedo launchers for Type 45 torpedoes
    Mines and depth charges
    Provision for but not fitted with
    2 × 6 127 mm ALECTO anti-submarine rocket launchers (cancelled)
    12 × Umkhonto SAM(cancelled)

    Aviation facilities: Helicopter pad

    Range: 2500 nmi
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:13 am

    And maybe Project 22500 is going to be basis for new corvette?

    Looks like all-inclusive artillery, Kalibrs, Paket helo, CIWS ... and displacement in 950tons class...




    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/22500-skr/

    http://www.severnoe.com/proposals/naval/22500/

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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  ult on Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:59 am

    From the interview with Director General of Zelenodolsk Plant - the first ship was laid down by the Pella shipyard. The new project will be built by multiple shipyards and Zelenodolsk (22631, 22160) wants to be one of them.

    http://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/147574/
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:01 pm

    ult wrote:From the interview with Director General of Zelenodolsk Plant - the first ship was laid down by the Pella shipyard. The new project will be built by multiple shipyards and Zelenodolsk (22631, 22160) wants to be one of them.

    http://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/147574/

    I hope instead of Buyan kind of rocket platform this will be small corvette - like 22500 -> better AAD then Buyans ir 22160 (Pantsir M vs Gibka) , ASW unlike both of predecessors and helo. Thus universal and cheap stop-gap for all fleets. For Black Sea/Baltic or Caspian will do just fine
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:31 am

    Laying down of the first two Project 22800 warships will happen at the Pella shipyard on the 24th of December.
    The names will be Uragan and Taifun. The ships will enter service in 2017 and 2018.

    The news will appear in the press shortly.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:03 pm

    i wonder whether is needed a new type of corvette since there is Project 21631 and Project 20380/2


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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:12 pm

    George1 wrote:i wonder whether is needed a new type of corvette since there is Project 21631 and Project 20380/2

    They halted Project 21631 production apparently, after naturally those already layed are finished. Project 20380/2 seems to be in problems to me.
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:28 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    George1 wrote:i wonder whether is needed a new type of corvette since there is Project 21631 and Project 20380/2

    They halted Project 21631 production apparently, after naturally those already layed are finished. Project 20380/2 seems to be in problems to me.

    Project 21631 (Buyan class) were supposed end production and be replaced with new class (Sarsar). Buyans are short range and not good for ocean conditions.

    Project 20380 (Steregushchy corvette) was dead-end from the get go.  22800 would be efficient replacement for that disaster especially because it would be built by several shipyards.

    It would be nice if MoD would finally post a picture of this thing... angry Curiosity is killing me....


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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:29 pm


    Here is the article:

    Russia Laying Down 2 New-Gen Corvettes Armed With Kalibr Cruise Missiles

    The ships will be armed with Kalibr cruise missiles and will enter the ranks of the Russian Navy in 2017-2018.


    http://sputniknews.com/military/20151223/1032190381/russia-navy-kalibr-corvettes.html

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The first two new-generation corvettes for the Russian Navy will be laid down on Thursday in St. Petersburg, Navy spokesman Capt. 1st Rank Igor Dygalo said Wednesday.

    "Two new-generation small-size missile ships of Project 22800 will be laid at the Pella shipyard in St. Petersburg on December 24," Dygalo told reporters.

    He added that both corvettes were expected to join the national fleet in 2017-2018 and would be equipped with high-precision missiles and advanced artillery systems. They will have a displacement of 800 metric tons and a maximum speed of over 30 knots.

    "It is planned that in the short term, various Russian shipyards will build over 10 Project 22800 small-size missile ships for the Russian Navy," the spokesman said, citing Deputy Commander of the Russian Navy Rear Adm. Viktor Bursuk.

    In July, Navy Commander Adm. Viktor Chirkov said that Project 22800 corvettes would replace Project 11356 frigates in the Russian Navy since the latter were to be equipped with Ukraine-built gas turbine engines that Kiev failed to deliver, while engines for the former would be produced in Russia.


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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:36 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Project 21631 (Buyan class) were supposed end production and be replaced with new class (Sarsar). Buyans are short range and not good for ocean conditions.

    Project 22800 will have a displacement of 800 tons so it will not be suitable also for ocean conditions

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Project 20380 (Steregushchy corvette) was dead-end from the get go. 22800 would be efficient replacement for that disaster especially because it would be built by several shipyards.
    .

    3 mores ships laid down in 2015 however


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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  franco on Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:07 pm

    George1 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Project 21631 (Buyan class) were supposed end production and be replaced with new class (Sarsar). Buyans are short range and not good for ocean conditions.

    Project 22800 will have a displacement of 800 tons so it will not be suitable also for ocean conditions

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Project 20380 (Steregushchy corvette) was dead-end from the get go.  22800 would be efficient replacement for that disaster especially because it would be built by several shipyards.
    .

    3 mores ships laid down in 2015 however

    Comment from the announcement was that it had the weapons of the Buyan class, but with much better ocean going capabilities. I know...right?
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:12 pm



    Τhis is an image of Project 22800. I wonder where are the kalibr launchers

    http://flotprom.ru/2015/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B035/


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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:14 pm


    ^^^ I think that is an old pic of unrelated concept. Plus, it is obviously lot smaller than Buyan class.







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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:05 am

    George1 wrote:

    Τhis is an image of Project 22800. I wonder where are the kalibr launchers

    http://flotprom.ru/2015/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B035/

    Thats the proj 12300 "Scorpion" missile boat concept that Rosboronexport was proposing for export but didn't find any customers. Its about 460T displacement so smaller than a Buyan (original design). IIRC it was intended to carry a pair of twin Yakhont or Uran launcher.

    I think florprom.ru are using old stock images to fill in blank space?
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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:38 pm

    This is "Pella" shipyard website. Still no reference or any illustration of the ship

    http://www.pellaship.ru/shipbuilding


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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  ult on Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:33 pm

    Pella will build 7 ships.



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    Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:24 pm


    First two will be called "Hurricane" and "Typhoon". 18 are planned.

    Basically an improved Buyan with the ability to operate in Oceans and Arctic. Speed 30 knots. I guess also longer range and endurance (or not).

    8 Kalibr/Oniks missiles, 100mm gun, 2 CIVS and improved AA system compared to Buyan. Article assumes it will be Pantsir.

    More in article (in Russian)

    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/12/24/new/

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