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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:05 pm

    Solncepek wrote:President Putin of Russia has reportedly turned down $300 billion in Saudi kickbacks to topple Assad.

    In a secret meeting in Russia with President Vladimir Putin, Saudi Defense Minister Mohammad bin Salman has said that his country and Qatar stand ready to pay $300 billion to Russia to topple the Assad regime.

    According to Lebanon’s Addiyar Newspaper, at the meeting, President Putin said his government is not mafia to kill its friends or foes in exchange for money and that peanuts do nothing to change Moscow’s strategic principles.

    In response, the Saudi minister said his proposal is not limited to the $300 billion in question which will be followed by hundreds of billions of dollars in investment. At this point, according to the Lebanese paper, in order to change the subject, Putin asked whether Prince Salman was into sports.

    No source? So basically a pure bullsh*t... Rolling Eyes

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:14 pm

    It's a non event....just like the report on the 3 dead Russians...

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    #Russia/n Jet #Su24M bombarded and destroyed Syrian rebel "Faylaq Omar" HQ in #Ghouta #Damascus
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/656473583523405825


    Watch How #SAA Send #Darayya Rebels Flying to Their 72 Virgins (looks like an airstrike to me)
    https://twitter.com/Ibra_Joudeh/status/656488872445149184

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:22 pm

    Militarov wrote:"Report from the location targeted with what rebels believe RuAF suicide-drone"



    Emm...doesnt rly look...dronish to me whatever those remains are.

    Echechech cellulose casing from 1994. Jack Ryan bombed you fucks.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  zg18 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:39 am

    Servicemen drinks "yerba mate" drink Very Happy




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:45 am

    zg18 wrote:Servicemen drinks "yerba mate" drink  Very Happy




    He's going to stay awake for a while and never have cancer.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:31 am

    Cyberspec wrote:

    Watch How #SAA Send #Darayya Rebels Flying to Their 72 Virgins (looks like an airstrike to me)
    https://twitter.com/Ibra_Joudeh/status/656488872445149184
    Looks like a pair of bombs making their day.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Kyo on Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:05 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Servicemen drinks "yerba mate" drink  Very Happy




    He's going to stay awake for a while and never have cancer.
    It's actually "hierba mate" and must be from Argentina. Extremely healthy stuff.
    Oops! Also spelled "yerba mate", just looked up in the Spanish dictionary.

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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:24 am

    I thought that stuff was supposed to cause cancer?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  zg18 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:37 am

    Kyo wrote:It's actually "hierba mate" and must be from Argentina. Extremely healthy stuff.
    Oops! Also spelled "yerba mate", just looked up in the Spanish dictionary.

    Yeah it`s very popular in Middle East , Lebanon is one of the biggest importers. I will need to try it.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:38 am

    sepheronx wrote:I thought that stuff was supposed to cause cancer?

    My Sarcasm Fu isn't as good as it was supposed to be. Went on Wiki to check, well it actually helps prevent cancer...in French but causes it in English...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Cyrus the great on Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:12 am


    Look at this terrible piece of propaganda. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-and-russia-planes-in-syria-2015-10

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  x_54_u43 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:39 am

    Cyrus the great wrote:
    Look at this terrible piece of propaganda. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-and-russia-planes-in-syria-2015-10

    Look at the guy that reposts it here. Honestly, do you post these here hoping someone takes the time out of their schedules to refute that garbage and make you feel better?

    Talking about K/D ratio...in conflicts with downgraded Soviet equipment in use. I am sure it had nothing to do with an extensive ISR capability and downgraded Soviet equipment in usage in those conflicts.

    Sad to think people actually read this low level garbage, propagated by those behind the scenes working to discredit anything linked to Russia.


    I wonder if you are associated with them.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Zivo on Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:42 am

    Cyrus the great wrote:
    Look at this terrible piece of propaganda. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-and-russia-planes-in-syria-2015-10

    Good God that was a tough read, not even counting the grammatical errors.

    "There’s already been one alarming incident: According to AFP, announced on October 14th that one of its planes had approached a US aircraft over Syria “for identification purposes,” with one Russian official explaining that Russian aircraft “often come within visual recognition distance of US warplanes and drones.”

    So what would happen if Russian and US aircraft began shooting at one another over Syria?

    I think the obvious question this tool should be asking is; Why the hell are there US aircraft over Syria in the first place?


    Look at the guy that reposts it here. Honestly, do you post these here hoping someone takes the time out of their schedules to refute that garbage and make you feel better?

    Talking about K/D ratio...in conflicts with downgraded Soviet equipment in use. I am sure it had nothing to do with an extensive ISR capability and downgraded Soviet equipment in usage in those conflicts.

    Sad to think people actually read this low level garbage, propagated by those behind the scenes working to discredit anything linked to Russia.


    I wonder if you are associated with them.

    That cheap propaganda is a reminder that we're on the side of truth.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:57 am

    Thermobaric Bombs possibly used

    Activist : #RuAF #RussianAirStrikes Target #حمص #Rastan with around 36 "Vacuum Missiles"
    https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/656595557700366336

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:09 am

    x_54_u43 wrote:
    Cyrus the great wrote:
    Look at this terrible piece of propaganda. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-and-russia-planes-in-syria-2015-10

    Look at the guy that reposts it here. Honestly, do you post these here hoping someone takes the time out of their schedules to refute that garbage and make you feel better?

    Talking about K/D ratio...in conflicts with downgraded Soviet equipment in use. I am sure it had nothing to do with an extensive ISR capability and downgraded Soviet equipment in usage in those conflicts.

    Sad to think people actually read this low level garbage, propagated by those behind the scenes working to discredit anything linked to Russia.


    I wonder if you are associated with them.

    Agreed.

    Not to mention that the planes that surprised the US are the same Su-30SM's that India uses (although, the Russian one uses more Russian parts and supposedly more up to date radar Bars-M), that also, during Indian exercises like Red Fag stirred the most trouble as well as defeated those Typhoons pretty easily. And this isn't the first time that they were surprised by such equipment.

    So what does that tell about the American equipment then?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Cyrus the great on Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:11 am

    x_54_u43 wrote:
    Cyrus the great wrote:
    Look at this terrible piece of propaganda. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-and-russia-planes-in-syria-2015-10

    Look at the guy that reposts it here. Honestly, do you post these here hoping someone takes the time out of their schedules to refute that garbage and make you feel better?

    Talking about K/D ratio...in conflicts with downgraded Soviet equipment in use. I am sure it had nothing to do with an extensive ISR capability and downgraded Soviet equipment in usage in those conflicts.

    Sad to think people actually read this low level garbage, propagated by those behind the scenes working to discredit anything linked to Russia.


    I wonder if you are associated with them.

    Wow, just wow.

    Why on earth are you going on the attack when other posters routinely provide links to shameless Western propaganda in order to open it up for discussion and critique? Do I do this gratuitously? Do I have a history of maligning Russia's military capabilities? How on earth am I 'associated' with them? Am I a Western cheerleader, a flunkey, an apologist? Do I have posts in line with your accusations? No? Then please don't bite my head off. Your post is a mix of needless hostility and paranoia. I admit that I direct a lot of questions to intelligent and knowledgeable posters like Werewolf and Garry B, and should they inform me that they find this annoying in the slightest, I will stop, immediately.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:27 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Thermobaric Bombs possibly used

    Activist : #RuAF #RussianAirStrikes Target #حمص #Rastan with around 36 "Vacuum Missiles"
    https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/656595557700366336

    Apparently somewhere i read thermobaric weapons like TOS-1.. and later interpret it..

    That the Themobaric Missiles if propertly used in the right numbers not only will kill by the explosion but any terrorist hiding underground could be killed too.. even if not hit by the
    explosion directly..because the the vacuum bombs create a void of oxygen for some time..and people will have no oxygen and could die too of Suffocation and Asphyxia. Also the shockwave of the bomb and air pressure? apparently can kill people even if u are inside a tank and close to the explosion.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Zivo on Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:30 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Thermobaric Bombs possibly used

    Activist : #RuAF #RussianAirStrikes Target #حمص #Rastan with around 36 "Vacuum Missiles"
    https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/656595557700366336

    Apparently somewhere i read thermobaric weapons like TOS-1.. and later interpret it..

    That the Themobaric Missiles if propertly used in the right numbers not only will kill by the explosion but any terrorist hiding underground could be killed too.. even if not hit by the
    explosion directly..because the the vacuum bombs create a void of oxygen for some time..and people will have no oxygen and could die too of Suffocation and Asphyxia. Also the shockwave of the bomb and air pressure? apparently can kill people even if u are inside a tank and close to the explosion.

    It has less to do with asphyxiation from a lack of oxygen, and more with your lungs being turned inside out.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:47 am

    Reduced oxygen is one way they kill, but the pressure and heat is the primary way.

    To get the targets lungs to turn inside out you would have to create a vacuum... FAEs don't do that... they just burn off the O2 content in the air.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Kyo on Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:50 am

    sepheronx wrote:I thought that stuff was supposed to cause cancer?
    There are too many veiled interests wrt yerba mate, esp coming from competitor soft drinks such as Coca-Cola and others. For reference on its healthy properties,
    http://mejorconsalud.com/los-increibles-beneficios-de-la-yerba-mate-en-la-salud/
    Spanish for The Incredible Healthy Benefits of Yerba Mate.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:28 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I thought that stuff was supposed to cause cancer?

    For decades there was myth how tea served in Yugoslavian/Serbian army was affecting soldiers capability to have kids/sexyal potency Very Happy Mostly spead by older soldiers to newbies haha Smile Tho there truly was some kind of shot they would give you when you join army that would literally boost your immune system, to prevent you from being sick. Normally if i spent 36h wet outside trying to set some antennas id tomorrow die from pneumonia, in army..noone would even sneeze.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:34 pm

    GarryB wrote:Reduced oxygen is one way they kill, but the pressure and heat is the primary way.

    To get the targets lungs to turn inside out you would have to create a vacuum... FAEs don't do that... they just burn off the O2 content in the air.

    They do create vacuum, but its more of a rarefaction rather than real vacuum, like people like to claim. Its low relative pressure following a blast.

    "A Human Rights Watch report of 1 February 2000. quotes a study made by the US Defense Intelligence Agency:

    The [blast] kill mechanism against living targets is unique–and unpleasant.... What kills is the pressure wave, and more importantly, the subsequent rarefaction [vacuum], which ruptures the lungs.... If the fuel deflagrates but does not detonate, victims will be severely burned and will probably also inhale the burning fuel. Since the most common FAE fuels, ethylene oxide and propylene oxide, are highly toxic, undetonated FAE should prove as lethal to personnel caught within the cloud as most chemical agents.

    The effect of an FAE explosion within confined spaces is immense. Those near the ignition point are obliterated. Those at the fringe are likely to suffer many internal, and thus invisible injuries, including burst eardrums and crushed inner ear organs, severe concussions, ruptured lungs and internal organs, and possibly blindness." Another Defense Intelligence Agency document speculates that because the "shock and pressure waves cause minimal damage to brain tissue…it is possible that victims of FAEs are not rendered unconscious by the blast, but instead suffer for several seconds or minutes while they suffocate."


    Original document: http://www.hrw.org/report/2000/02/01/backgrounder-russian-fuel-air-explosives-vacuum-bombs[/i]

    So you are both kinda right in their own way.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:59 pm

    Time for some humor - rebels sending inflated condoms in the air, hoping Russian aircraft will crash into them:

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Kyo on Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:02 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Time for some humor - rebels sending inflated condoms in the air, hoping Russian aircraft will crash into them:
    Must have no virgins anymore.

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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:19 pm

    Kyo wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Time for some humor - rebels sending inflated condoms in the air, hoping Russian aircraft will crash into them:
    Must have no virgins anymore.
    No, this is their new way of communicating now that the Russian EW has shut down their C&C operations and comms networks. Bit like smoke signals. I noticed that the message on the card under the 'balloons' said "send more TOWs" Smile

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