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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:48 pm


    Alleged ‘Russian cruise missile flyby’ footage published by Kurds



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    Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:51 pm

    max steel wrote:Alleged ‘Russian cruise missile flyby’ footage published by Kurds

    must be those who made it to target.

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    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:26 pm

    "The New Middle East”: Russian Style (I)

    “The New Middle East”: Russian Style (IIA)

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  zg18 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:32 pm

    max steel wrote:"The New Middle East”: Russian Style (I)

    “The New Middle East”: Russian Style (IIA)

    Nice read , thanks for posting.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:40 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    max steel wrote:Alleged ‘Russian cruise missile flyby’ footage published by Kurds

    must be those who made it to target.

    All of them.

    If 1 crashed, maybe. 4? Impossible to hide. Gee, wonder what is taking long for said evidence? Waiting for agents from Iraq with US personell to plant said evidence? Like I said, very hard to hide.

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    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:44 pm

    zg18 wrote:
    max steel wrote:"The New Middle East”: Russian Style (I)

    “The New Middle East”: Russian Style (IIA)

    Nice read , thanks for posting.


    The guy whose articles i shared is a journalist for RBTH and Oriental Review and he sent me a friend request on Facebook How Ironic! What a Face

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Regular on Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:12 am

    Werewolf wrote:For that reason, no Ka-52/Mi-28N should be send, but Mi-24PM2 and Mi-24VM2 (Mi-35M), not top notch technology, but will do their job and if some are destroyed, they will not see big deal about it as if Ka-52/Mi-28N would be destroyed.
    Believe me, god forbid, if that happens it will be big deal, no matter what helicopter. It is because it is Russian.

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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:15 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:
    max steel wrote:Alleged ‘Russian cruise missile flyby’ footage published by Kurds

    must be those who made it to target.

    All of them.

    If 1 crashed, maybe. 4? Impossible to hide. Gee, wonder what is taking long for said evidence? Waiting for agents from Iraq with US personell to plant said evidence?  Like I said, very hard to hide.
    Just heard, the same US satellite that was over Ukraine has been moved to this area. We expect shortly the same quality photos as we got back then...................................

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:45 am

    sepheronx wrote:26 missiles to be precise.

    And you are right, the warhead could have been disabled before htting the ground. But debris would still be found as well, the crater our Iranian friend showed is nothing that a crater like Klub would leave even if its warhead didnt explode. As I mentioned earlier, there are pictures of what appears to be an unexploded KAB250 (or 500 so close to Klub warheas weight) and a very, very deep hole it created when it didnt explode but just hitting the ground.

    So that photo has to be wrong or leftover from something else.

    Agreed... if there is no debris to be shown then its not only suspect, but probably fake. I also know that the probability of "26" launches being successful is nil.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:55 am



    PHOTO: Selfie with Journalist with "Little Green Men"...JK...SAA troops in Russian camo vest & helmets.

    Source: https://twitter.com/2Rook14/status/652252222840000514

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    Post  Siempre_Leal on Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:55 am

    What type of ordanance(sp) does this?


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    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:01 am

    Siempre_Leal wrote:What type of ordanance(sp) does this?


    Alot of it, various types of anti-personel cluster ammunition. If i had to guess then Smerch 9M55K - http://splav.org/en/arms/smerch/m55k.asp with 96 pieces of 9N235 submunition, probably multiple launched tho.





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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  NationalRus on Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:16 am

    first i tought they deployed the mi-24p only to gourd the air base and that was ok but they use them for CAS... even the fucking gun is static... i have no idea why they dont use actaully modern flexible combat helicopters for gods sake get 4 mi-24 to gourd the air base and deploy 4 mi-28n's for CAS or at least the mi-24VM's only a mather of time befor we lose one if they get deployed like that 5m of the ground with all the heavy 14mm and bigger MG's the terrorists have on the ground

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:24 am

    NationalRus wrote:first i tought they deployed the mi-24p only to gourd the air base and that was ok but they use them for CAS... even the fucking gun is static... i have no idea why they dont use actaully modern flexible combat helicopters for gods sake get 4 mi-24 to gourd the air base and deploy 4 mi-28n's for CAS or at least the mi-24VM's only a mather of time befor we lose one if they get deployed like that 5m of the ground with all the heavy 14mm and bigger MG's the terrorists have on the ground

    Mi24Ps are nearing end of their service life, which means using them reduces cost alot, since they will be discarted in next year, two or three anyways to rot on some field. And they are good enough for what they are doing in Syria at least at this point perimeter patrolling and CAS with unguided rockets. Also Mi28N would also use S5-S8 rocket pods for CAS and what... it would be in same situation as Mi24Ps are, they do not have armor heavy enemy, no need for use of Atakas so most of the systems available on Mi28s would be quite useless. they would just risk losing expencive new machine plus it could affect future exports.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  NationalRus on Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:59 am

    Militarov wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:first i tought they deployed the mi-24p only to gourd the air base and that was ok but they use them for CAS... even the fucking gun is static... i have no idea why they dont use actaully modern flexible combat helicopters for gods sake get 4 mi-24 to gourd the air base and deploy 4 mi-28n's for CAS or at least the mi-24VM's only a mather of time befor we lose one if they get deployed like that 5m of the ground with all the heavy 14mm and bigger MG's the terrorists have on the ground

    Mi24Ps are nearing end of their service life, which means using them reduces cost alot, since they will be discarted in next year, two or three anyways to rot on some field. And they are good enough for what they are doing in Syria at least at this point perimeter patrolling and CAS with unguided rockets. Also Mi28N would also use S5-S8 rocket pods for CAS and what... it would be in same situation as Mi24Ps are, they do not have armor heavy enemy, no need for use of Atakas so most of the systems available on Mi28s would be quite useless. they would just risk losing expencive new machine plus it could affect future exports.

    see how the cost will go up if 1 or 2 gets shot down with russia pilots in them in this OLD garbage, then suddenly everybody would only wish they HAD deployed something better like a VM model, and modern helicopter CAS is done by the 30mm gun and guided rockets against stong points and armour and not flying 5m above ground shooting S8's against an enemy who has hundreds of heavy MG's with calibers of 14mm and above on the ground, we have over 70 Mi-28N delivered in service use are this Mi-24P even suited for night operations? fuck off!

    if we are doing it then we should do it right, what a fucking excuse lets save 4-5m here by deploying second hand stuff from the 80's and hope its keep afloat then sending 3-4 pieces of game changing equipment, by god if some of them get shot down i want to see the excuses you will all make and how much you apprieciete the couple off millions we probably saved when now dead russia pilots and crashed helicopters will be all over the media

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Erk on Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:03 am



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  max steel on Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:08 am

    Proof please? CNN claims Russian missiles crashed in Iran, Moscow refutes, US can’t confirm


    RT nailed it.

    The American broadcaster CNN cited two unnamed US officials, who said that four Russian missiles had crashed somewhere in Iran after being launched from vessels in the Caspian Sea. The report suggested that “some buildings were damaged and civilians may have been hurt.”


    This triggered a quick reaction from the Russian Defense Ministry, with spokesman Igor Konashenkov saying that all the missiles had hit their targets on Wednesday. “Unlike CNN, we don’t distribute information citing anonymous sources, but show the very missile launches and the way they hit their targets almost in real time,” Konashenkov said. The spokesman pointed out that the strike targets are being photographed before and after being hit, while Russian drones are monitoring the situation from Syrian skies 24/7.


    It's all psyops nothing else after seeing their assets worth millions and regime change plans going down the gutter in Syria after Russia's bold and necessary move ( Bear woke up!) they are all frustrated and pissed so resorting to such lowlife tactics is the only remaining task they have at-least to delude dumbed down sheeple all over earth .



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  zg18 on Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:11 am

    This night saw some heavy bombings....



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Regular on Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:15 am

    Mi-28N could wreck HAVOC on terrorists only with it's 2A42. Pretty much be flying BMP-2.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Siempre_Leal on Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:23 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Siempre_Leal wrote:What type of ordanance(sp) does this?


    Alot of it, various types of anti-personel cluster ammunition. If i had to guess then Smerch 9M55K - http://splav.org/en/arms/smerch/m55k.asp with 96 pieces of 9N235 submunition, probably multiple launched tho.





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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:38 am

    NationalRus wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:first i tought they deployed the mi-24p only to gourd the air base and that was ok but they use them for CAS... even the fucking gun is static... i have no idea why they dont use actaully modern flexible combat helicopters for gods sake get 4 mi-24 to gourd the air base and deploy 4 mi-28n's for CAS or at least the mi-24VM's only a mather of time befor we lose one if they get deployed like that 5m of the ground with all the heavy 14mm and bigger MG's the terrorists have on the ground

    Mi24Ps are nearing end of their service life, which means using them reduces cost alot, since they will be discarted in next year, two or three anyways to rot on some field. And they are good enough for what they are doing in Syria at least at this point perimeter patrolling and CAS with unguided rockets. Also Mi28N would also use S5-S8 rocket pods for CAS and what... it would be in same situation as Mi24Ps are, they do not have armor heavy enemy, no need for use of Atakas so most of the systems available on Mi28s would be quite useless. they would just risk losing expencive new machine plus it could affect future exports.

    see how the cost will go up if 1 or 2 gets shot down with russia pilots in them in this OLD garbage, then suddenly everybody would only wish they HAD deployed something better like a VM model, and modern helicopter CAS is done by the 30mm gun and guided rockets against stong points and armour and not flying 5m above ground shooting S8's against an enemy who has hundreds of heavy MG's with calibers of 14mm and above on the ground, we have over 70 Mi-28N delivered in service use are this Mi-24P even suited for night operations? fuck off!

    if we are doing it then we should do it right, what a fucking excuse lets save 4-5m here by deploying second hand stuff from the 80's and hope its keep afloat then sending 3-4 pieces of game changing equipment, by god if some of them get shot down i want to see the excuses you will all make and how much you apprieciete the couple off millions we probably saved when now dead russia pilots and crashed helicopters will be all over the media

    AH64D loads:

    16 AGM-114A/L/M/K Hellfires used aganist armor heavy enemy, never used with 16 AGM114N since they carry thermobaric warhead and are used in different load mix.

    8 Hellfires of any type and 38 rockets used for variety of targets, with anti-armor emphasis.

    76 HE rockets. This load is ideal for suppressing enemy ground forces or anti-infantry duty and providing Close Air Support to infantry.

    38 HE Hydra rockets, 4 Hellfires and external fuel tank, most common actual combat load for Apache.

    Naturally any mix of these is possible, even 4 external fuel tanks (as demonstrated by Israelis few times during rapid deployment), however you will never see Apache flying CAS carrying only Hellfires, that never happened nor it ever will. In each load it carries full load for its gun naturally 1200 rounds. So, that your idea of CAS is quite far from reality, noone spends ATGMs on CAS unless target is armor, high value target or is endangering your troops in some unusual way which can be dealt only with ATGM.

    Photos of some modern and highly capable attack helicopters carrying "useless" unguided rockets:









    And this is just to show you what Mi28N would carry in Syria too:



    Its simply not realistic expecting them to use wast amounts of Shturms/Atakas or whatever aganist targets they are facing atm in Syria. Not even US would do such thing.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:40 am

    NationalRus wrote:first i tought they deployed the mi-24p only to gourd the air base and that was ok but they use them for CAS... even the fucking gun is static... i have no idea why they dont use actaully modern flexible combat helicopters for gods sake get 4 mi-24 to gourd the air base and deploy 4 mi-28n's for CAS or at least the mi-24VM's only a mather of time befor we lose one if they get deployed like that 5m of the ground with all the heavy 14mm and bigger MG's the terrorists have on the ground

    Not. Russian. Helicopter. Or. Crew. Doing. CAS.

    Jesus... No

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    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:54 am

    Siempre_Leal wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Siempre_Leal wrote:What type of ordanance(sp) does this?


    Alot of it, various types of anti-personel cluster ammunition. If i had to guess then Smerch 9M55K - http://splav.org/en/arms/smerch/m55k.asp with 96 pieces of 9N235 submunition, probably multiple launched tho.





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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:59 am

    Militarov wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:A missile seems to have failed and hit the ground near a village in takab .


    Unless that is very hard soil that is not impact that Kalibr would leave, i have seen myself place where shot down Tomahawk fell and it was bigger crater just from pure kinetic impact.

    Agreed, let's compare photos of impacts of the FAB-500-M54 that failed to explode and the alleged 3M-14 crater:

    FAB-500-M54 that failed to explode, and it's crater.






    Compared to the alleged ground impact of the Kalibr 3M-14 cruise missile and it's crater.




    And we have a problem here. The 3M-14 is much heavier munition at 1,400 kg, compared to FAB-500-M54's total weight of 500 kg, and 3M-14 is also powered with it's own engine allowing it to fly at transonic speed. We have to also look at the soil and how it would affect a munition (that failed to explode) impact crater. With this global map of soil profiles, you'll find that Syria, and Iran have similar soil profiles: an Aridisol/Entisol mix:



    1.) So with those facts presented (assuming both failed to explode), why would a munition (FAB-500-M54 at 500 kg) that's virtually 1/3rd of the weight of another munition (3M-14 at 1,400 kg), that's happens to be free-fall bomb (compared to the transonic speed of of 3M-14), make a deeper and larger impact crater when the soil profiles of both Syria and Iran are very similar (Aridisol/Entisol mix)?

    2.) What happened to the other 3 craters?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:01 am

    @Militarov

    Russian Army is unloading surplus with style,  they already dumped GAZ Tigers v1.0 a month ago... thumbsup

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