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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:59 am

    Vann7 wrote:Ok someone explain to me who is this guy? and if this is important major change
    a big deal for Europe Russia relations or not?  Shocked

    Germany: EU can't let US 'dictate' its relationship with Russia - Juncker



    I don't understand a lot how the European Union leadership is organized ..but seems
    like what he says is a big deal...  and Europe is sending a message to United States?  Shocked

    1)Will this was triggered by the Syrian illegal war?
    2)The Russian sanctions hurting Europe economy?
    3) The $20 billions lawsuit of USA on germany volkswagen? in retaliation for
       their friendly stand to Russia over Ukraine?
    4)The refugee crisis in Europe (caused by US policies in middle east)
    that have very annoyed the EU.

    On a similar note.. this protest of European leaders.. might have triggered US to soften
    its stance on Syria ? of holding the financial help of jihadist rebels for the moment?

    it looks like Something is happening in Europe ,that seems contradict US policies of isolation
    of Russia but also its policies in Ukraine and middle east too..

    Forget him, the biggest advocate for NWO/EU/US and all those problems beeing created on behalf of US. That is a paid shill and responsible for blackmailing many things and agendas on other EU countries, like sanctions on russia, so never trust what a snake says, never!

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Godric on Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:57 am

    Vann7 wrote:hip hip Urraa!!  hip hip Urraa!!  
    Another point for Russia..  russia

    US Congresswoman: Russia Is Bombing Al-Qaeda Terrorists.
    How Is That a Bad Thing?





    a rarity in politics in the west a politician that can see through all the bullsh!t and state the obvious in a clear and intelligent way

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:21 am

    4 x Mi-24's operating in pairs, very low....you can see all of them towards the end of the clip....1980's Afghanistan Deja Vu Smile


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  NationalRus on Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:20 am


    I would not get Master degree in IT field if i was stupid, so no, i am not stupid, and yes i did get what you said, however its complete...BS. I am sorry to tell you this but you are so far from reality when its about actual combat that i am 100% sure you gather your ideas from Battlefield 4, no offense. If you think someone is flying around firing 140.000USD AGM 114s all day long you are badly mislead (latest order by Lebanon and Iraq).


    AH64A flew thousands of missions in Iraq, in both wars in Iraq actually, and it faced far greater threats than Mi25P is atm in Syria and guess what they did fine. Also AH64A is not some kind of mythical spaceship, its marginally better equiped than Mi24P, they were produced between 1981. till 1989. around 700 of them, same era as those AH64As are.

    you word spinning lying piece of s*** didnt adress 1 of my arguments ignored all my points posted a bunch of videos that i saw already 50 times ignored that i never said that hydras have no place on modern helicopters and at the end compared AH-64>A< to MI-28N

    seriously fuck you by now, im occyping myself with military since over 10 years fuck you and your battlefield you troll, sorry if im not expert in HUD's and for a second assumed that HUDs of today are not the ones used in the 90's anymore... like ther are not actaully



    you are nothing but another apologist, a gave exact arguments you didnt adress one of them fuck you you troll,

    are you stupid didnt you got what i said? show me Hydra attacks over enemy territory FULL of hundreds maybe thausends of troops in a small area who have also hundreds of heavy MG's at ther disposal???? i think Saudis this that a couple of times and lost at least 1 AH-64 as i remeber quite fast.

    the strategic situation on the ground is not like afghanistan were the AH-64 at best hunt 2 dozen taliban with maybe one DSHK at the best, with modern electronic HUD sights for the rocket flyight path of the hydras, does the mi-24p's have them to??

    and i NEVER claimed the cary only hellfires! qoute me saying that or fuck off stop putting words in my mouth that i didnt use! and they use hellfires to even pick out single trucks or small groups hell they use GBU-12 on littel units in afghanistan if needed as CAS if they pin down a american force.

    we got OLD helicopters from the late 80's flying near suicidal missions on extrem low levels above hundreds of enemy terrorists with A LOT of heavy weaponary in small operational zones = FACT already on the videos posted several of the hinds got hit by small arms fire already its pure LUCK that at no of this positions ther were flying over ther were a ZPU, Zu-23 or KPV ther

    i said exactly why its dangerous, how the situations is different, what kind AAA danger they face and risk ther perform, all you did is was ignore that and went ahead cheering everything they do i was expecting you to write somthing like "thank god they use only old shit from the late 80's, would be horrific if they actaully deployed a brand new attack helicopter for CAS and spend a littel more money"

    your nothing but a apologetic pink-glasses troll, like that fanatic retarded monarchist only in reverse

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  NationalRus on Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:29 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    ult wrote:Direct hit on 13th division HQ, they confirm multiple casualties. Some running in the end.




    https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/652554962854088705

    Hehe notice the terrorist in the end.. body language.. they are in desperation/hopeless
    mode already several of them.. "what a tragedy ,what are we going to do now?" is what their body language says.... the terrorist now are scared and no one can deny this.. lol1  

    WIll have been nicer is a second missile strike the same place to get all the terrorist .
    Russia could device a bomb that appears to "fail" and does't explode.. creating a crater on ground but as soon is lifted from ground explode..  or detonated by a drone the real bomb..by control remote..

    was thinking the same, if the target is important they will come back to it, so better watch it with UAV's and be ready fior a second strike

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Erk on Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:29 am

    Godric wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:hip hip Urraa!!  hip hip Urraa!!  
    Another point for Russia..  russia

    US Congresswoman: Russia Is Bombing Al-Qaeda Terrorists.
    How Is That a Bad Thing?





    a rarity in politics in the west a politician that can see through all the bullsh!t and state the obvious in a clear and intelligent way

    Everything she says sounds correct, except she assumes the chaos in Lybia, Iraq etc. after US involvement was unintentional.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:30 am

    NationalRus wrote:

    I would not get Master degree in IT field if i was stupid, so no, i am not stupid, and yes i did get what you said, however its complete...BS. I am sorry to tell you this but you are so far from reality when its about actual combat that i am 100% sure you gather your ideas from Battlefield 4, no offense. If you think someone is flying around firing 140.000USD AGM 114s all day long you are badly mislead (latest order by Lebanon and Iraq).


    AH64A flew thousands of missions in Iraq, in both wars in Iraq actually, and it faced far greater threats than Mi25P is atm in Syria and guess what they did fine. Also AH64A is not some kind of mythical spaceship, its marginally better equiped than Mi24P, they were produced between 1981. till 1989. around 700 of them, same era as those AH64As are.

    you word spinning lying piece of s*** didnt adress 1 of my arguments ignored all my points posted a bunch of videos that i saw already 50 times ignored that i never said that hydras have no place on modern helicopters and at the end compared AH-64>A< to MI-28N

    seriously fuck you by now, im occyping myself with military since over 10 years fuck you and your battlefield you troll, sorry if im not expert in HUD's and for a second assumed that HUDs of today are not the ones used in the 90's anymore... like ther are not actaully



    you are nothing but another apologist, a gave exact arguments you didnt adress one of them fuck you you troll,

    are you stupid didnt you got what i said? show me Hydra attacks over enemy territory FULL of hundreds maybe thausends of troops in a small area who have also hundreds of heavy MG's at ther disposal???? i think Saudis this that a couple of times and lost at least 1 AH-64 as i remeber quite fast.

    the strategic situation on the ground is not like afghanistan were the AH-64 at best hunt 2 dozen taliban with maybe one DSHK at the best, with modern electronic HUD sights for the rocket flyight path of the hydras, does the mi-24p's have them to??

    and i NEVER claimed the cary only hellfires! qoute me saying that or fuck off stop putting words in my mouth that i didnt use! and they use hellfires to even pick out single trucks or small groups hell they use GBU-12 on littel units in afghanistan if needed as CAS if they pin down a american force.

    we got OLD helicopters from the late 80's flying near suicidal missions on extrem low levels above hundreds of enemy terrorists with A LOT of heavy weaponary in small operational zones = FACT already on the videos posted several of the hinds got hit by small arms fire already its pure LUCK that at no of this positions ther were flying over ther were a ZPU, Zu-23 or KPV ther

    i said exactly why its dangerous, how the situations is different, what kind AAA danger they face and risk ther perform, all you did is was ignore that and went ahead cheering everything they do i was expecting you to write somthing like "thank god they use only old shit from the late 80's, would be horrific if they actaully deployed a brand new attack helicopter for CAS and spend a littel more money"

    your nothing but a apologetic pink-glasses troll, like that fanatic retarded monarchist only in reverse

    "Arguments", right Very Happy Me troll? Right....

    Listen, never, never reply to me please, coz i am sick and tired of people like you . Also stop insulting people around you might just as well get banned for that not only blocked by people.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  NationalRus on Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:34 am

    Militarov wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:

    I would not get Master degree in IT field if i was stupid, so no, i am not stupid, and yes i did get what you said, however its complete...BS. I am sorry to tell you this but you are so far from reality when its about actual combat that i am 100% sure you gather your ideas from Battlefield 4, no offense. If you think someone is flying around firing 140.000USD AGM 114s all day long you are badly mislead (latest order by Lebanon and Iraq).


    AH64A flew thousands of missions in Iraq, in both wars in Iraq actually, and it faced far greater threats than Mi25P is atm in Syria and guess what they did fine. Also AH64A is not some kind of mythical spaceship, its marginally better equiped than Mi24P, they were produced between 1981. till 1989. around 700 of them, same era as those AH64As are.

    you word spinning lying piece of s*** didnt adress 1 of my arguments ignored all my points posted a bunch of videos that i saw already 50 times ignored that i never said that hydras have no place on modern helicopters and at the end compared AH-64>A< to MI-28N

    seriously fuck you by now, im occyping myself with military since over 10 years fuck you and your battlefield you troll, sorry if im not expert in HUD's and for a second assumed that HUDs of today are not the ones used in the 90's anymore... like ther are not actaully



    you are nothing but another apologist, a gave exact arguments you didnt adress one of them fuck you you troll,

    are you stupid didnt you got what i said? show me Hydra attacks over enemy territory FULL of hundreds maybe thausends of troops in a small area who have also hundreds of heavy MG's at ther disposal???? i think Saudis this that a couple of times and lost at least 1 AH-64 as i remeber quite fast.

    the strategic situation on the ground is not like afghanistan were the AH-64 at best hunt 2 dozen taliban with maybe one DSHK at the best, with modern electronic HUD sights for the rocket flyight path of the hydras, does the mi-24p's have them to??

    and i NEVER claimed the cary only hellfires! qoute me saying that or fuck off stop putting words in my mouth that i didnt use! and they use hellfires to even pick out single trucks or small groups hell they use GBU-12 on littel units in afghanistan if needed as CAS if they pin down a american force.

    we got OLD helicopters from the late 80's flying near suicidal missions on extrem low levels above hundreds of enemy terrorists with A LOT of heavy weaponary in small operational zones = FACT already on the videos posted several of the hinds got hit by small arms fire already its pure LUCK that at no of this positions ther were flying over ther were a ZPU, Zu-23 or KPV ther

    i said exactly why its dangerous, how the situations is different, what kind AAA danger they face and risk ther perform, all you did is was ignore that and went ahead cheering everything they do i was expecting you to write somthing like "thank god they use only old shit from the late 80's, would be horrific if they actaully deployed a brand new attack helicopter for CAS and spend a littel more money"

    your nothing but a apologetic pink-glasses troll, like that fanatic retarded monarchist only in reverse

    "Arguments", right Very Happy Me troll? Right....

    Listen, never, never reply to me please, coz i am sick and tired of people like you . Also stop insulting people around you might just as well get banned for that not only blocked by people.

    oh what did you posted? were you adressed somthing real? lol1 lol1  i fell stupid i made the 5min effort to actaully reply to you then and describe the situation on the ground only to get a BS propaganda post as a reply adressing nothing i said = trolling

    go on spread propaganda, keep on cheering like the cheerleader you are russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Stealthflanker on Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:05 am

    and certain journalists already alleges stand off between VVS and Turkish air force...

    https://twitter.com/yasseralhaji1

    and some "news website" already picking the shit out of it and add their own seasoning...

    http://warmonitor.net/news/2015/10/09/reports-turkey-shoots-down-russian-jet-in-airspace-violation/

    ....

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  NationalRus on Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:31 am

    From RT News germany

    http://www.rtdeutsch.com/33830/

    in short: Russia and Israel made a deal, Russia wont give Hezbollah weapons and Israel will share Secret Intelligence information with Russia

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Solncepek on Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:37 am

    ^^^
    If this info is true, we must see in the next few days the murder of some rebel leaders inside their bunkers...

    P.S. Also hitting ammo-convoys and telecommunication networks, coming from Saudi Arabia

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:41 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    https://twitter.com/yasseralhaji1

    http://warmonitor.net/news/2015/10/09/reports-turkey-shoots-down-russian-jet-in-airspace-violation/

    This kind of propaganda can serve to provide one or more data-points about the situation.

    It is almost always indicative of a propaganda trick that involves the reversal of the facts; therefore, in this case, it almost certainly (~100% certainty) is indicative of Russians having shot down more Turkish aircraft during the enforcement of the no-fly-zone.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:49 am

    Not a pin point accuracy, but still good hits.

    Hard to say... those videos are taken from aircraft that have already flown over the target... likely from medium or high altitude.

    To determine how accurate those attacks were you would need the footage from when these bombs were released... the crosshair at the time of release would indicate the target aimed at so the impact point could then be used to determine how close the bombs came to the impact point to see how accurate they were.

    This footage might as well be filmed by a UAV as the crosshair gives no indication of what the targets actually were.

    3 out 4 hits failed. 250kg are not blockbusters but were used on rather big buildings with only one direct hit, certainly not the best thing. I have heared the KAB-1500Kr guided bombs are far better in accuracy.

    These are cheap unguided bombs used with sophisticated computers and software doing the aiming... they will collect the footage of the attack and the footage of the results and work out the accuracy... no doubt tweaking the software to further improve performance.

    Well math says - more weight - higher accuracy, seems tho that fairly cheap laser guided KAB250 shall enter service in next 2-3 years.

    The only small bombs I have seen are unguided and likely delivered by Su-24M or Su-34. The fact that the video seems to be looking back I suggest these are Su-34s looking back to record the results of their bombing attack. the shifting crosshair suggests accuracy could not be determined just looking at the video... I suspect that is why it was released...

    I wonder, why RuAF doesn't use laser or TV guided bombs.

    the higher precision of laser and TV guided bombs is not really needed except where targets are on a frontline where friendlies are close by. Satellite guided bombs and unguided bombs using the Gefest and T software are much much cheaper and get the job done without warning... ie no lasers.

    BTW NationalRus... you need to calm down and cut out the swearing. You are not a new member so I assume you also know about the forum rule regarding excessive use of emoticons.

    Don't make me have to take action... lets keep this mature... we are all adults here and it is OK not to agree with everyone else... what is not OK is excessive swearing and disrespecting others.

    The action you take regarding this advice will determine what action I take next... grow up.... harden up.... and behave... everyone... and I wont take any further action.

    Questions and comments can be PMed to me... don't ruin this thread!


    This kind of propaganda can serve to provide one or more data-points about the situation. It is almost always indicative of a propaganda trick that involves the reversal of the facts; therefore, in this case, it almost certainly (~100% certainty) is indicative of Russians having shot down more Turkish aircraft during the enforcement of the no-fly-zone.

    Or they are idiots and a Russian drone might have been shot down and no one is game enough to go out to the wreckage to confirm... or it is just BS.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Stealthflanker on Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Or they are idiots and a Russian drone might have been shot down and no one is game enough to go out to the wreckage to confirm... or it is just BS.

    BS indication is strong here.

    Plus.. it's not the first time hoax and false claim perpetrated from twitter or facebook.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Rodinazombie on Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:19 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Or they are idiots and a Russian drone might have been shot down and no one is game enough to go out to the wreckage to confirm... or it is just BS.

    BS indication is strong here.

    Plus.. it's not the first time hoax and false claim perpetrated from twitter or facebook.

    Its in the same place as those russian missiles that crashed in iran, or the armata tanks, topol m md 40k russian soldiers in donbass. The pics or it didnt happen rule works quite well, and 99.99% of the bullshit that comes out of western media/gov is not backed up by facts.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:43 pm



    Pentagon was saying that 1,000 iranians were killed by the "Failed Cruise missiles" that
    crashed in IRAN.. where are now the people saying.. the cruise missile crash was "confirmed"?
    The western media is in full bullshit mode and will say anything that could downplay Russia
    or damage its image..

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    Post  Neutrality on Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:45 pm

    Syrian army reports that they have liberated another region thanks to Russian VKS' support.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Rodinazombie on Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:48 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    Pentagon was saying that 1,000 iranians were killed by the "Failed Cruise missiles" that
    crashed in IRAN.. where are now the people saying.. the cruise missile crash was "confirmed"?
    The western media is in full bullshit mode and will say anything that could downplay Russia
    or damage its image..

    1000?

    Link please.

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:03 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:

    Its in the same place as those russian missiles that crashed in iran, or the armata tanks, topol m md  40k russian soldiers in donbass. The pics or it didnt happen rule works quite well, and 99.99% of the bullshit that comes out of western media/gov is not backed up by facts.

    and same place where ppl spreading died Syrian pilot and claim it as Russian one.

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    Post  Airbornewolf on Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:05 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Syrian army reports that they have liberated another region thanks to Russian VKS' support.

    I cant describe in words how happy i am the Russians stepped in and stepped on that damn U.S eagle in Syria.

    apparently the SAA with support of Hezbolla, RuAF and Iranian SF are really putting the hurt on ISIS. they seem to lose ground almost everywhere and sending ISIS in panic mode.

    there are some losses that i'd liked to be lower... but its war sadly. most important thing now is to keep momentum forward.



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:09 pm



    Pro terrorist twitter media..are saying ISIS gained some territory in northen Aleppo province ,
    while Russia was busy bombing "moderates".

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Neutrality on Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:14 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    Pro terrorist twitter media..are saying ISIS  gained some territory in northen Aleppo province ,
    while Russia was busy bombing "moderates".

    I don't know about you but to me there are no moderates in Syria. There's only the Syrian army and several groups of Islamists trying to destroy a legitimate government regardless of the Western MSM spin on Assad's government. If the so-called "moderates" lose ground to another group of radicals then I don't care. Vice versa the same. Let them destroy eachother and the Russians will hand out the final blow to whoever remains.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Erk on Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:32 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    Pentagon was saying that 1,000 iranians were killed by the "Failed Cruise missiles" that
    crashed in IRAN.. where are now the people saying.. the cruise missile crash was "confirmed"?
    The western media is in full bullshit mode and will say anything that could downplay Russia
    or damage its image..

    1000?

    Link please.

    Even if you got 1000 people to join hands and stand in a circle, then dropped a few cruise missiles into the middle of the circle I doubt fragments would be enough to kill them all. In reality you are not going to get the right arrangement of people for those kind of results, and that's if you detonate the things, not just crashing ones.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  NationalRus on Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:33 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    Pro terrorist twitter media..are saying ISIS  gained some territory in northen Aleppo province ,
    while Russia was busy bombing "moderates".

    aleppo might needed to be abandoned at some point,

    this offensives and russian intervantion is not about recapturing the whole of the country, half of the country is litterly lost without a major offensive from everybody= kurds, SAA, Iraqi army, Iran etc. and for that the kurds need to close down and liberate the complet border with turkey first anyway

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Monarchist on Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:58 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    Pro terrorist twitter media..are saying ISIS  gained some territory in northen Aleppo province ,
    while Russia was busy bombing "moderates".

    aleppo might needed to be abandoned at some point,

    this offensives and russian intervantion is not about recapturing the whole of the country, half of the country is litterly lost without a major offensive from everybody= kurds, SAA, Iraqi army, Iran etc. and for that the kurds need to close down and liberate the complet border with turkey first anyway
    Aleppo is one of the last places to be abandoned. It's out of the question to abandon the largest city in Syria while controlling half of it.

    Can anybody explain to me why doesn't Russia send "kadyrovtsy" to fight in Syria, he already pleaded for them to be sent there.

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