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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:51 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:
    Err, what?

    Israel has nothing to fear from russia, they are not enemies and you will never find them in a situation where israel needs to fear that they are in range of russian missiles. Plus, israel is made of stern stuff, if russia was swinging its long shiny missile stick around to try and scare them, im pretty sure the israelis would just tell them to piss off. I dont get why you think this had anything to do with it.




    Yup both of them are not hostile to each other but they have their differences unlike US and Israel. Well Russia can annihilate them not the latter ( a simple fact and their Missile defense system aren't capable against Russian arsenal. Let it be Barak-8 , David Sling, Arrow-2 is still a cagey product with no success and Iron Dome .

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:55 pm

    Clearly the Iran's government are trying to cover this thing up .....


    The crash has been confirmed by the governor of takab county and the crash derbies has been found there too
    به گزارش ایرنا، ایرج ثقفی با اشاره به ادامه بررسی های کارشناسی برای مشخص شدن ماهیت و علت سقوط این شی پرنده گفت: به طور قطع نمی توان گفت که این شیء پرنده پهپاد بوده است ولی قطعاتی از لاشه آن در محل سقوط موجود است.
    http://alef.ir/vdchvvnxm23nvid.tft2.html?300205

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:55 pm

    zg18 wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:Saudi wanting to step up supplies to terrorists Russia might just send an aircraft with ATGW to Houthis in Sana'a. This could easily become a wider dangerous war in the region and beyond.

    I remember anecdote when some Yugoslav journalist told last US ambassador that "US will have war in Yugoslavia" , US ambassador told him "No , YOU will have war in Yugoslavia , it will not affect us".

    I guess similar story can be said to Saudi Arabia , they have much more and will lose much more than Russia , Iran or even Turkey. There is no way you can destabilize most your neighbours and think you will be untouched.

    Saudis have been in rough waters lately, even western journos have smelled blood in the water...

    It’s Time for the United States to Start Worrying About a Saudi Collapse

    http://news.yahoo.com/united-states-help-saudi-arabia-192926234.html

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:57 pm

    zg18 wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:A missile seems to have failed and hit the ground near a village in takab .


    Explosion of SLCM would be much bigger than that.

    Agreed, this is tiny...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:57 pm


    The news about crashed object has been confirmed by Islamic republic news agency...
    http://www.irna.ir/fa/News/81789206/


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    So What ?

    Post  calripson on Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:59 pm

    Does the U.S. release the actual hit rate for cruise missile strikes in wartime conditions at ranges of 1,500 km ? I guarantee you not all the missiles make it. Even if the purported figure of 4 missiles out of 26 failed, that still means 22 made it. A 15% failure rate for a relatively new design is not that bad.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:00 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Clearly the Iran's government are trying to cover this thing up .....


    The crash has been confirmed by the governor of takab county and the crash derbies has been found there too
    به گزارش ایرنا، ایرج ثقفی با اشاره به ادامه بررسی های کارشناسی برای مشخص شدن ماهیت و علت سقوط این شی پرنده گفت: به طور قطع نمی توان گفت که این شیء پرنده پهپاد بوده است ولی قطعاتی از لاشه آن در محل سقوط موجود است.
    http://alef.ir/vdchvvnxm23nvid.tft2.html?300205

    Clearly you are a troll.. There is nothing there that suggest a Klub missile crashed on IRAN.
    Russia told all their missiles landed on its targets .and have no reason why to believe Russia is lying about verifying it or believe the fantasy conspiracy tales from you.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:02 pm


    Guys, judging from the comment sections in MSM these last few days I have a feeling that sales of Russian flags and t-shirts in Europe and even North America will soon go trough the roof!!! russia

    Maybe we should all invest? Cool

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:04 pm

    For comparision reasons, here a crater created by ZOF-74 He-Frag shell.



    4m radius, 1.2m depth crater.


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    Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:04 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Clearly the Iran's government are trying to cover this thing up .....


    The crash has been confirmed by the governor of takab county and the crash derbies has been found there too
    به گزارش ایرنا، ایرج ثقفی با اشاره به ادامه بررسی های کارشناسی برای مشخص شدن ماهیت و علت سقوط این شی پرنده گفت: به طور قطع نمی توان گفت که این شیء پرنده پهپاد بوده است ولی قطعاتی از لاشه آن در محل سقوط موجود است.
    http://alef.ir/vdchvvnxm23nvid.tft2.html?300205

    Clearly you are a troll..

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:05 pm


    Razz Razz Razz
    US Launches Two Airstrikes in Syria Amid Simultaneous Russian Operation

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151008/1028229637/us-airstrikes-syria-iraq.html#ixzz3o0bUxOO8

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:06 pm

    If a cruise missile like Klub crashed there, not only would the blast be massive, but debris would have been found. And as well, if 4 of them were crashed, we would definately have evidence, much like the debre found in Syria of Klub.  As well, many people would have felt it and it would have indeed blown out windows of cars and buildings nearby.  As well, with 4 of them, we would have pictures if they claim the debris has been found, which we dont. For all we know, it was a drone flying cause that hole is pretty darn small for a 400kg warhead.

    It would be easy to cover up 1 mishap. But 4 of them? No. As well, Rus gov would have reported it immediately especially fact of the political effects of such a disaster.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:08 pm

    Putin has got the US administration so discombobulated, they don't know whether to run, shit, or go blind. afro



    Belated Happy B'day VP

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  NationalRus on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:10 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Clearly the Iran's government are trying to cover this thing up .....


    The crash has been confirmed by the governor of takab county and the crash derbies has been found there too
    به گزارش ایرنا، ایرج ثقفی با اشاره به ادامه بررسی های کارشناسی برای مشخص شدن ماهیت و علت سقوط این شی پرنده گفت: به طور قطع نمی توان گفت که این شیء پرنده پهپاد بوده است ولی قطعاتی از لاشه آن در محل سقوط موجود است.
    http://alef.ir/vdchvvnxm23nvid.tft2.html?300205

    Clearly you are a troll.. There is nothing there that suggest a Klub missile crashed on IRAN.
    Russia told all their missiles landed on its targets .and have no reason why to believe Russia is lying about verifying it or believe the fantasy conspiracy tales from you.

    he is legit and always was so calm down son, we might find out that one crashed without exploding probably disabled by command in the air lets wait and see

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Kimppis on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:10 pm

    How I feel right now:


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:11 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:A missile seems to have failed and hit the ground near a village in takab .


    Unless that is very hard soil that is not impact that Kalibr would leave, i have seen myself place where shot down Tomahawk fell and it was bigger crater just from pure kinetic impact.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:11 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:
    The news about crashed object has been confirmed by Islamic republic news agency...
    http://www.irna.ir/fa/News/81789206/

    we need the debris's photo.

    and is there any more info on how many craters or mysterious explosions ?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:12 pm

    Werewolf wrote:For comparision reasons, here a crater created by ZOF-74 He-Frag shell.

    4m radius, 1.2m depth crater.


    Good catch werewolf..   If explosives are the same.. the damage of Klub missiles should be
    half (more or less )of Toschka missile..  that creates a huge crater where you can hide 2 tanks.


    Just a warning to people.. that the information war will only increase exponentially.
    The US empire is losing the public opinion Big time.. go pick any propaganda outlet of the west..and check their comments sections. They needs to find ways to irritate Russia , so they
    say something hostile.. against the west.. but also seek ways to create anger or panic on Russian population and create unrest there..  US cannot start any major war against Syria until
    they have some reasonable public support.. so watch for some false flags.. where Russia or Syria will be blamed. Russia strategy is the right one until now.. pushing little by little NATO away of Syria.. creating a full no NATO fly zone by baby steps.. by helping Syrian Government to capture more zones.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Zivo on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:13 pm

    Werewolf wrote:For comparision reasons, here a crater created by ZOF-74 He-Frag shell.



    4m radius, 1.2m depth crater.


    What's the warhead weight of that round?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:14 pm

    sepheronx wrote:If a cruise missile like Klub crashed there, not only would the blast be massive, but debris would have been found. And as well, if 4 of them were crashed, we would definately have evidence, much like the debre found in Syria of Klub.  As well, many people would have felt it and it would have indeed blown out windows of cars and buildings nearby.  As well, with 4 of them, we would have pictures if they claim the debris has been found, which we dont. For all we know, it was a drone flying cause that hole is pretty darn small for a 400kg warhead.

    It would be easy to cover up 1 mishap. But 4 of them? No. As well, Rus gov would have reported it immediately especially fact of the political effects of such a disaster.


    Cruise missiles usually have a self destruction system if they fail to reach the designated target. Just like any modern weapon system.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Militarov on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:16 pm

    Ok when its about all this warload failing stuff, in army i was thought that between 15 and 25% of ordnance fails in combat operations, i was present when Strela-M2 failed i was there when something simple as M80 Zolja failed, so its all part of engineering and technology. Your PC fails twice a week most likely, i dont see anyone screaming about it around. If you want to see unexploded BGM-109C go to Serbian Air force museum, it was shattered by secondary charge used to prevent reverse engineering.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:19 pm

    max steel wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:If a cruise missile like Klub crashed there, not only would the blast be massive, but debris would have been found. And as well, if 4 of them were crashed, we would definately have evidence, much like the debre found in Syria of Klub.  As well, many people would have felt it and it would have indeed blown out windows of cars and buildings nearby.  As well, with 4 of them, we would have pictures if they claim the debris has been found, which we dont. For all we know, it was a drone flying cause that hole is pretty darn small for a 400kg warhead.

    It would be easy to cover up 1 mishap. But 4 of them? No. As well, Rus gov would have reported it immediately especially fact of the political effects of such a disaster.


    Cruise missiles usually have a self destruction system if they fail to reach the designated target. Just like any modern weapon system.

    Possibly self destructed over Iran. But, debris would have spread and would be easier to find. Now that the launches happened over a day now, and we already have photos of debris in Syria of Klub impact. Then it is safe to say that this can be pure BS.

    As well, a picture of an unexploded FAB-250 shows one massive hole. Something that a Klub would leave a much larger one if unexploded.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:23 pm

    sepheronx wrote:If a cruise missile like Klub crashed there, not only would the blast be massive, but debris would have been found. And as well, if 4 of them were crashed, we would definately have evidence, much like the debre found in Syria of Klub.  As well, many people would have felt it and it would have indeed blown out windows of cars and buildings nearby.  As well, with 4 of them, we would have pictures if they claim the debris has been found, which we dont. For all we know, it was a drone flying cause that hole is pretty darn small for a 400kg warhead.

    It would be easy to cover up 1 mishap. But 4 of them? No. As well, Rus gov would have reported it immediately especially fact of the political effects of such a disaster.

    Why would the blast be massive?  The warhead has fail safes to prevent premature detonation and will self terminate its fuse for safe disposal.  If it is a failed launch the crater would be kinetic with a debris field.  I wouldn't count on our satellite coverage being able to monitor all missiles to target.  If the Iranians can show debris, then it failed, if not it is probably propaganda.  The Iranian regime doesn't have a reason to lie about it as they are fighting the same enemy.  The Russian government won't report anything negative unless it is obvious they will look like fools not reporting it.  This launch was a combat test to validate the system for sale.  Expect more hype from the marketing department than Iran.  Out of 24 launches and not one failure... I call that a lie.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:28 pm

    26 missiles to be precise.

    And you are right, the warhead could have been disabled before htting the ground. But debris would still be found as well, the crater our Iranian friend showed is nothing that a crater like Klub would leave even if its warhead didnt explode. As I mentioned earlier, there are pictures of what appears to be an unexploded KAB250 (or 500 so close to Klub warheas weight) and a very, very deep hole it created when it didnt explode but just hitting the ground.

    So that photo has to be wrong or leftover from something else.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:29 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:
    The news about crashed object has been confirmed by Islamic republic news agency...
    http://www.irna.ir/fa/News/81789206/

    we need the debris's photo.

    and is there any more info on how many craters or mysterious explosions ?

    No more info available yet.

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